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Proper context for insults.

Mr Neurotic··1 votes·539 views

This is my first season, so I'm still trying to figure this out. There is a chat filter for the use of curse words etc. I was just in a game (we had a 0/6 or 0/7 fiora who I believe reported me out of her own frustration) where an immediate ban incurred.

This is the only context for the ban. There were no other insults, no arguing, nadda.

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I STILL think it is humorous and I'm actually trying to find in the TOU the rule I broke. I'm not bashing gays, nor does the term I used apply to homosexuals in pop culture even 1% of the time. My gay duo (almost all ranked games together) uses the term to express discontent ALL the time. I'm not going to argue the ban because I wont win my case obviously. It's Riots private game. Their rules. I just want to ask:

Is the community REALLY this sensitive? I've been reported for calling someone a nignog. In the army we use that term to describe a dunderhead. It has nothing to do with race other than sharing a single syllable with a certain no-no word.

In a social setting, you can't take something out of context and use it to be offended. You have to be the most insulted person on the planet for that. Good to know, however, that I can't use that term anymore.

Are there any other situations in which a rather acceptable insult is ousted in league by the SJW mentality?

EDIT: Good lord it doesn't even post here. No responses needed, I see how the autocracy works lol. For the record, I and my peers have never been offended by anything in chat. We have had individuals joke about soldiers dying in war, cancer jokes (I completed LINAC therapy for a hypopharyngeal carcinoma in May), all sorts of demographic jokes... Normal people are not offended by words in a game. If the average person is, they are not normal. Clearly no one played Counter Strike 15 years ago.

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ModUlanopo11 votes

For the record, I and my peers have never been offended by anything in chat.

"It's not a problem for me, so it isn't a problem" is not how things work here.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Well, that's not where I am coming from. II am expressing what I Know are the views in the social circles I have known... which are fairly extensive. I don't actually know anyone irl that would be offended by the comment I made. I live in a city (Colorado Springs) that has 3 army bases, a liberal arts university, and a state school. I think we go against the grain with how we see things.

Bit of a tangent here, but none of our schools have a "no means no" only policy. We implemented "yes means yes" because if you're inebriated you're still accountable. I know most of the USA disagrees with this... but I don't actually see HOW. It makes zero sense. I feel that this is commutative to this instance where you adapt to the context of the situation.

ModUlanopo2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Neurotic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xutyFuPy,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-10-20T22:35:52.864+0000)

Well, that's not where I am coming from. II am expressing what I Know are the views in the social circles I have known... which are fairly extensive. I don't actually know anyone irl that would be offended by the comment I made. I live in a city (Colorado Springs) that has 3 army bases, a liberal arts university, and a state school. I think we go against the grain with how we see things.

This is the male privilege equivalent of "I have black friends." Also, anecdotes are not evidence.

Bit of a tangent here, but none of our schools have a "no means no" only policy. We implemented "yes means yes" because if you're inebriated you're still accountable.

If i'm understanding this correctly, you're suggesting there's a level of intoxication that excuses sexual assault? Please tell me I'm misunderstanding you.

I know most of the USA disagrees with this... but I don't actually see HOW. It makes zero sense. I feel that this is commutative to this instance where you adapt to the context of the situation.

The context of the situation is that League has a community. That community has decided certain words and phrases are never acceptable. It's not necessary for you to understand the why of those decisions or to have sympathy for others, only that you conform to them.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Replace the word with several different racial slurs, then read them out loud.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Those are culturally relevant in the USA. They don't apply here and that's a pretty crazy stretch of logic man =/ .. A more proper statement would be: "Replace the word with several different generic slurs lke a-hole, ****head etc". I'll just use those from now on...

But it is incredibly archaic to refer to homosexuals with the word I used. But I see how the thought process works. The community is just incredibly coddled and insulted. It is what it is.

EvilDustMan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Neurotic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xutyFuPy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-20T17:49:53.507+0000)

Those are culturally relevant in the USA. They don't apply here and that's a pretty crazy bit of logic man =/ .. A more proper statement would be: "Replace the word with several different generic slurs lke a-hole etc"

Not true. The word has not reached that point yet. It has for some, but most certainly not all. It is still a pretty strong word, regardless.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Alright. Well then that's understandable. I bartended at Club-Q in Colorado Springs for a while (best tips ever). Where I live the term isn't offensive despite the large gay community. I suppose that muddied my logic. Thank you for clearing that up. I suppose there is a generational gap, and the conflict of interest in the game contributed to the report as well.

Lesson learned: Be careful with what you say on the rift if you think your values might poorly mesh with someone in society.

Thanks for taking the time to type a legitimate response to my query. I expected to get flamed .. and i honestly mean no ill will :). I think shit talking is a healthy part of gaming, and I'm surprised a teammate would report such an internal insult within our chat directed at an enemy.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Neurotic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xutyFuPy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-20T17:49:53.507+0000)Replace the word with several different generic slurs lke a-hole, ****head etc". I'll just use those from now on...

I would strongly recommend against this, as insulting your fellow players is, by itself, against behavior rules. Players are expected to be respectful and sportsmanlike, and, especially after a 14-day warning, insults towards your fellow players will swiftly get you punished and potentially permanently banned.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Thank you for that. I will keep it to voice chat then. I appreciate you clearing that up.

I just honestly hope that in the future the social attitude towards trash talking changes. It's something that tends to motivate me to pay more attention to my play (brings attention to me doing poorly), and I personally don't deem it as disrespectful unless it is over the top. It's usually a healthy part of male bonding :) ... I feel as if people are starting to lose their resilience =/

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Neurotic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xutyFuPy,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-20T18:05:41.178+0000)

Thank you for that. I will keep it to voice chat then. I appreciate you clearing that up.

Any time!

It's usually a healthy part of male bonding :) ... I feel as if people are starting to lose their resilience =/

The first part of this is highly subjective, and the latter is largely untrue.

Some friend groups do this frequently, others don't. My friends and I shit-talk each other constantly, with the exception that we avoid words like this and we have a policy that if someone tells you to knock it off, you do so immediately. Some groups do differently.

The big takeaway here is that you don't know who you're playing with, or how they react to your behavior. Treat other players with respect. If they WANT to engage in friendly trash-talk? Go for it -- you won't get punished if you're not reported, since that means everyone was okay with it. But ask first, and make sure you know the people you're using that language with.

No one is "losing resilience." A lot of people just didn't have any way to voice their discomfort in a way that would accomplish anything. Now they have that, and it can actually DO something. It's just providing a voice to people who didn't have one before.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Come on, Djinn, what say you and I engage in some male bonding? I'll start by attacking your ethnicity and then you begin making fun of my religion and my mother! Have at thee!

Mr Neurotic2 votes

Your sarcasm is actually incredibly ironic, since in my largest circle of friends, we don't think things like this actually matter .. and so we say the most offensive things possible. It's a bit of a competition.

But obviously we can't talk to others like that. I see that my perceived threshold is different than the community's. Glad I have a chance to play the game again after 14 days.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I feel you. At work we all do that kind of thing. Whenever my friend Ed is sent to work at the back of the store he makes a joke about it's because he's black. I make jokes about my supervisor putting me at the back because I'm Muslim. The difference is, we only do this in our private back room, and not in front of customers. It looks like you understand and accept that, which means you're doing better than like 90% of the posts I see here each day. That's good! I hope you never get another punishment and see you in my games some time :D

GlenngWr1 votes

I wish I could upvote you lol. I'm muslim as well and make plenty of muslim jokes. I haven't here though because I figured it's way too close to home atm / culturally relevant right now for the masses.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Pretty much. My friend used to put Zilean Q's on me and tell me "Now run in there"

And I'd say "Because I'm Muslim?!? That's racist!"

In call of course.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

Come on, Djinn, what say you and I engage in some male bonding? I'll start by attacking your ethnicity and then you begin making fun of my religion and my mother! Have at thee!

^See, this is a classic example of what I don't consider friendly trash-talk! 10/10 for execution. :)

General Esdeath 1 votes

How about sports ball :^)

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

How about sports ball :^)

I was a fencer, not a sports ball player. Swords at dawn?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Hell yeah [fiora-cool]

ModUlanopo1 votes

I do not sports ball, as there is only one true sport and that holiest of sportsing uses a puck. [sona-playing]

General Esdeath 1 votes

My favorite Hockey team is the Jets

Modi1 votes

I agree that sprotsballing is not the best sportsing, but I feel an alternative winter sport is vastly superior. It is the sport of controlled fighting (aka wrestling).

ModUlanopo5 votes

It's usually a healthy part of male bonding :)

I vehemently disagree. It's actually part of an authoritarian social structure that pushes people down. When you and your friends are engaging in "friendly banter", what you're really doing is practicing being the alpha. You're also testing each other to see who is the alpha for your group.

I feel as if people are starting to lose their resilience =/

Rather the opposite. People are standing up to jerks.

Chermorg2 votes

I’ll point out also that the NA servers are based in the USA, as well as that word being very inappropriate in Canada, Mexico, and any other area you would consider to be North America (well, Riot considers for that matter).

I don’t think expecting an environment free from abuse is being “coddled”. I don’t go to the local park with my kids and expect to hear people hurling homophobic slurs at each other. If I did, the police could arrive and give them a ticket for public disturbance/nuisance/obscenity. Likewise, people who play League generally expect that the environment will be free from abusive behaviors.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

This is quite obviously not abuse, however. I don't know anyone in the real world (out of hundreds) who would consider this abuse. Maybe I just keep myself away from those people since I view their mentality as offensive (lol), but yeah.

This is not a public park. This is an online young adult + environment :P ...

Chermorg1 votes

It is a public online environment. As such, you are expected to behave as if you were in public.

GlenngWr1 votes

Fair enough, actually. I use the same phrases in public when children aren't around. Can't be punished by the law for using a certain word ... but this is a game. At the end of the day, it is not inappropriate... it's just against Riot's TOU. That's really that. Not sure why people are spearheading that you can't speak like this in public lol. That seems asinine o.0

Kloqdq2 votes

Community isn't sensitive, people just don't need to deal with that shit in game. I play league to have fun and get a competitive experience. Not be told by some random dude to KYS or be called names. Does it bug me? No. Do I want to deal with it though? No. Keep that stuff among your friends.

It's also important to note people have different backgrounds and feel differently about certain issues. While you and your friends may not find what you say offensive, that doesn't mean someone else may not. It really doesn't have anything to do with SJW mentality.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

This is in private team chat against the enemy graves. The context is discontent. So from where I'm standing, it does have a bit to do with the SJW mentality.

I can see that this mentality is prevalent.. and thats ok. I will deal with it.

Kloqdq2 votes

Still doesn't mean your teammates want to deal with it. Regardless if it is directed to them or not. It's not really a SJW thing because I am positive you would have gotten the same results even if you didn't call him that. Insulting players, even if it is private team chat (which isn't private really) is against the rules and you just stepped out of line man. Keep it clean in chat, say whatever you want over voice.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

facepalm Im going to keep it clean so I don't lose my account o.0 ... It isn't as if I have an urge to say these things. I just don't deem them inappropriate in a video game meant for young adults +. They aren't 'dealing' with anything. I think if that is their perception, then it defines a high level of fragility. I'm not discounting their preference of chat exposure... I AM saying they are fragile to want to discipline someone for that kind of chat.

I get in some members eyes that is stepping out of line. It does not make it normal. Normal =/= average. I would say most of the western world is out of line in their thinking atm.

Bunnymap1 votes

There actually isn’t a filter for all curse words. The system only picks up on these if they’re both directed at someone else and reported by a player in the game.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

There is a filter that blocks out the spelling of curse words. You can toggle it on/off before game :) .. It was a real bother in chat between friends before I learned about it.

Drugoth1 votes

It's on by default because this is a 13+ game xD.

Bunnymap1 votes

I thought you were talking about a filter that punishes players that curse in chat. Whoops.

Colgate Gator1 votes

It's probably for the best that you got punished in your first season if you really can't see why you were punished.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Yeah you're right. It's not my game, I don't make the rules, and I have to abide by them even if I view them as ridiculous. Technically the community comes up with the value system, even if I'm a bit old fashioned and view it as warped or socially marxist.

nerak231 votes

Mr Neurotic,

Is there a reason you have not put your full logs up?

Mr Neurotic1 votes

There is not. It is a waste of space. There is no more context to the situation. All other chat is kind.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

I put my logs up for you.

SavageConcordia1 votes

For the record, I and my peers have never been offended by anything in chat.

For the record, the people who reported you are your peers. Also reporting you isn't necessarily because they are offended, its because people don't want to deal with childish crap like this.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

This isn't childish in any way. You are limiting speech with that type of thinking INCREDIBLY far. It was benign, and anyone who thinks otherwise either has trauma associated with the word or is hunting to be offended. I was reported becausse we lost and kennen/fiora were upset so they jumped at the opprtunity. I was there. I know their attitudes to a fair degree more than you.

nerak231 votes

Mr Neurotic (NA) - 10 minutes ago There is not. It is a waste of space. There is no more context to the situation. All other chat is kind.

So YOU say!

And you seem to want to say a lot about the system of which you are not yet willing to use. You were provided chat logs but have not put them up, are you afraid to ?

It's your right not to put them up, but to kind of use your own terms, are you so > sensitive?

???

Mr Neurotic1 votes

Alright, I will edit my post then with the entire chat log. There was nothing negative at all though. No insults, no arguments from anyone on the team, nothing even conversational. Just "enemy is here" "enemy is ganking" etc.

I think you are witch hunting however. After this game I will put them up. I was actually trying to be polite by not wasting your time and giving you a tl';dr... but I can see your mentality.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

So I would like to see your response now that I posted the logs.

nerak231 votes

but I can see your mentality.

No you can not see my 'mentality' and it is a shame ! I try to understand your point yet, you feel attacked. I was/am not attacking you.

Believe it or not, their are ways Riot can go that will help you and everyone on this board, and all players They just have to have the confidence to do so... I Will thank you in advance of your Kind offer to put up your logs.

Mr Neurotic1 votes

I'm gonna be honest, I'm incredibly confused by the direction of your chat lol. I apologize. The context, any way I look at it, makes it seem as if you are deflecting on to me. I put my logs up.

nerak231 votes

Mr Neurotic (NA) - 7 minutes ago So I would like to see your response now that I posted the logs.

Hate words are why !

I have to say I really dislike when people add things to the OP and then Edit to seem another way.

Yes, I asked for your logs, and Thank you for that.

You still changed the context of your beginning statement and not the way I would have, why did you not just add your logs to existing statement.

NVM I can see why to use your own quote, the same one---

but I can see your mentality.

ModPrandine1 votes

The two racial slurs are what did it here. Riot has a zero-tolerance policy for things like hate speech, racist comments and the like, hence why they almost always result in an immediate 14-day ban or a permaban in more extreme instances. It's not about being offended it's about not wanting to see that kind of behavior and language in the game, and before you say it no the chat filter is not an excuse to use that kind of language. Next time avoid engaging in that kind of behavior, or at the very least keep it to a full premade group of friends where you know no one will report you for it.

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