Is this really perma ban worthy?

JG Is Bad Role·Nov 20, 2017·1 votes·1,034 views

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I mean that's really perma ban worthy?

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RallerenPNov 20, 20173 votes

If you already had a 14-day ban, then yes, this is permaban worthy.

The system works in tiers, so after you've gotten punished once, you won't get the same punishment for a while. You will get a harsher one.

These are the tiers:

10 game chat restrict
25 game chat restrict
14 day ban
Permaban

I'm not gonna go looking through your match history, but I assume you've had a 14 day ban.

The reason the system works like this is because if you don't behave nicely (reform) after the first 3 punishments, you are unlikely to ever reform.

Unreformed ShacoNov 20, 20171 votes

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The reason the system works like this is because if you don't behave nicely (reform) after the first 3 punishments, you are unlikely to ever reform.

That's a load of horseshit.

There are people who are mega-toxic and get escalated to 14 days for first offence. They start making an effort at fixing their behaviour, and manage to go a month or two without misbehaving. Then they get provoked into retaliating by Instant Feedback Fanboys and the reforming player is rude. Even though they have made a lot of progress, it all gets shit on despite it being RELATIVELY tame. compared to their previous acts. That is the process of reforming. It isn't an instant thing, and only a moron would think it is.

For a player who is in the process of reforming to be permanently banned after being baited, it is pretty discouraging. They'll make a new account, pissed off at the world because they put in effort and still got shit on by the system.

I'm not saying everyone permabanned is in this category, and I am not saying retaliation is acceptable, but there are a lot of people who do make progress towards being better Summoners and that progress is ignored by Lyte's little robot.

RallerenPNov 20, 20171 votes

There are people who are mega-toxic and get escalated to 14 days for first offence. They start making an effort at fixing their behaviour, and manage to go a month or two without misbehaving. Then they get provoked into retaliating by Instant Feedback Fanboys and the reforming player is rude. Even though they have made a lot of progress, it all gets shit on despite it being RELATIVELY tame. compared to their previous acts. That is the process of reforming. It isn't an instant thing, and only a moron would think it is.

I think you misunderstand.

The system isn't designed to teach you to not be toxic. It's designed so that if you are toxic, you get punished. The progress they means nothing, because they werent supposed to be toxic in the first place.

Understandable if you go off track once. That's fine. You get the punishment, but we still welcome you. But you better not repeat it, not even slightly. And the best thing is that you are even told this when you get banned.

For a player who is in the process of reforming to be permanently banned after being baited, it is pretty discouraging.

Then don't get baited. If they actually bothered reading the rules, it would be easy.

They'll make a new account, pissed off at the world because they put in effort and still got shit on by the system.

I cannot imagine how horrible a being you have to be, so that it's hard to not be toxic. How extremely unlikeable do you have to be that you have to put effort into NOT typing and flaming. Those are the players I don't want in my games, those are the players Riot doesn't want playing.

I'm not saying everyone permabanned is in this category, and I am not saying retaliation is acceptable, but there are a lot of people who do make progress towards being better Summoners and that progress is ignored by Lyte's little robot.

Because that progress is meaningless. Either you are toxic, or you arent. If you don't have the little amount of self control, or the respect for Riot to read and adhere by their rules and ToU, then you shouldn't be playing.

It's not hard to not be toxic, and people who act like victims because they were banned for toxicity need to reevaluate their priorities.

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

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I think you misunderstand.

The system isn't designed to teach you to not be toxic. It's designed so that if you are toxic, you get punished. The progress they means nothing, because they werent supposed to be toxic in the first place.

Then simply put, it is a bad system, especially on a free to play game.

Understandable if you go off track once. That's fine. You get the punishment, but we still welcome you. But you better not repeat it, not even slightly. And the best thing is that you are even told this when you get banned.

So here's a great example I saw a while back, in the early days of IFS. A newer player was talking about Cho'gath, specifically how his ultimate stacks interact with size. He asked in all chat

"How much %%%%%% can you get?" -EDIT: Of course it's censored out, cucks. The word used was bigger, but with an N. "Bigger*"

14 day ban. For a fucking typo. Now before you say look before you type, B and N are next to eachother on the keyboard.

Now I don't ever recall seeing him post again, so he probably didn't get it escalated later on.

But if he was slightly rude, like OP was (no slurs, no kys, little bit arrogant) but there are plenty of people who post on PB&M with much less rude logs, they would instantly be permabanned because they have previously had a 14 day.

So it comes down to a player making a typo, being annoyed a few weeks later and getting permanently banned for it.

I get that it's Riot's game and they can do whatever they like, but as a community it is our job to disagree with unreasonable situations, and that is certainly an unreasonable situation.

Then don't get baited. If they actually bothered reading the rules, it would be easy.

"Then just don't murder your husbands mistress, if they bothered reading the rules it'd be easy"

We aren't robots. Emotions often get the better of us. Context matters.

Players who are toxic aren't Tibetan Monks. Self Control isn't something you are born with, it is learned. It takes time and practice to master. The promotional series change increased toxicity dramatically because they decided to make some games worth a lot more than others. Someone sitting in Silver I in promotion to Gold V is going to find those 5 games a lot more emotional than any other. If you happen to get someone intentionally ruining your game, it might not be as easy as "Don't take the bait".

I'm not arguing that their abuse or harassment of other players is right, I am just pointing out that tempers can be lost very easily in the right circumstances. Even the coolest of cucumbers can snap under pressure.

I cannot imagine how horrible a being you have to be, so that it's hard to not be toxic. How extremely unlikeable do you have to be that you have to put effort into NOT typing and flaming. Those are the players I don't want in my games, those are the players Riot doesn't want playing.

By today's standards, you really don't have to be that bad. You can cop punishments for minor things, even asking something like "Report [Toxic champ] please, he is being racist in team chat" can threaten your account because for some fucked up reason that is considered harassment.

Because that progress is meaningless. Either you are toxic, or you arent. If you don't have the little amount of self control, or the respect for Riot to read and adhere by their rules and ToU, then you shouldn't be playing.

But it's not meaningless. You are less toxic. You are making steps in the right direction. You are becoming a better summoner, and you are likely to provide insight once reformed that regular people can't provide. Why do you think Rehabilitation centers exist for drugs and alcohol? Why don't they just raid them and throw all the junkies in prison?

In an ideal world of daisy chains and hippies, there would be no toxic players. But this isn't an ideal world. There is always going to be undesirable players and no amount of removal will change that. You remove all the rank 1 toxic players and the community shifts it's focus to rank 2 toxic players and it just keeps going like that. It's because the people playing nowadays and working for Riot now weren't around when it was bad. They are no different than whingy millennials in politics. They've never seen what true toxicity or harassment is, so they just label everything they don't like as it.

Back then:

Part of Nazi Germany's political structure? You're a facist. Intentionally feed when someone doesn't leash? You're toxic.

Nowadays:

Disgree with what I said? You're a facist. Post something slightly not nice? You're toxic.

When you remove the original sin, something much less serious takes it's place because there isn't anything to compare it to.

It's not hard to not be toxic, and people who act like victims because they were banned for toxicity need to reevaluate their priorities.

I'm so glad people like you spend all day in a basement instead of the real world.

If people like you had any real power, the justice system would be turned on its head and would begin executing all prisoners instead of trying to rehabilitate.

Punishments are for rehabilitation, and rehabilitation is a process.

If what Riot say are true (Which probably isn't), only a minute fraction (something like 0.01% of players are perma'd). If that's the case, then there isn't going to be all that many people to reform. Instead of just kicking them out, work with them. Get a buddy system going instead of this garbage honor system. Fix that tiny percentage of players and all will be happy.

Oh wait, no.. Riot actually look for permabans, because they make shekels off it. No one quits LoL until they want to. I seriously think people would struggle to find somebody who quit playing BECAUSE of the perma. In most cases it is either the straw that breaks the camels back, or they just remake and relevel. This does nothing for toxicity, because Riot doesn't give a fuck about toxicity. All (((Riot))) cares about it money, and banning players is their second biggest source of that.

RallerenPNov 23, 20171 votes

Then simply put, it is a bad system, especially on a free to play game.

A long time ago they focused on trying to reform people. They gave them alot of chances to reform. The result was that almost no-one reformed. Then they started thinking that they would just permanently chat restrict people. Then those people started inting.

The system has been tuned this way because of the experience Riot has from the early days.

It's not RIots job to teach you to grow up.

So here's a great example I saw a while back, in the early days of IFS. A newer player was talking about Cho'gath, specifically how his ultimate stacks interact with size. He asked in all chat

"How much %%%%%% can you get?" -EDIT: Of course it's censored out, cucks. The word used was bigger, but with an N. "Bigger*"

14 day ban. For a fucking typo. Now before you say look before you type, B and N are next to eachother on the keyboard.

Then that person should have contacted support, because he would have gotten unbanned.

But if he was slightly rude, like OP was (no slurs, no kys, little bit arrogant) but there are plenty of people who post on PB&M with much less rude logs, they would instantly be permabanned because they have previously had a 14 day.

So it comes down to a player making a typo, being annoyed a few weeks later and getting permanently banned for it.

I get that it's Riot's game and they can do whatever they like, but as a community it is our job to disagree with unreasonable situations, and that is certainly an unreasonable situation.

He could have easily gotten rid of the ban. And get reset to 0 punishment level (if that was what he was on before).

"Then just don't murder your husbands mistress, if they bothered reading the rules it'd be easy"

We aren't robots. Emotions often get the better of us. Context matters.

Players who are toxic aren't Tibetan Monks. Self Control isn't something you are born with, it is learned. It takes time and practice to master. The promotional series change increased toxicity dramatically because they decided to make some games worth a lot more than others. Someone sitting in Silver I in promotion to Gold V is going to find those 5 games a lot more emotional than any other. If you happen to get someone intentionally ruining your game, it might not be as easy as "Don't take the bait".

I completely disagree. I think everyone can easily learn self-control. Please don't tell me that it's hard for you to NOT type anything. It's literally less effort than the alternative. Even if you can't avoid it, just unbind the enter key. Or move chat out of the window. There is NO excuse for flaming.

And people who get 'baited' into getting permabanned already proved themselves toxic previously.

By today's standards, you really don't have to be that bad. You can cop punishments for minor things, even asking something like "Report [Toxic champ] please, he is being racist in team chat" can threaten your account because for some fucked up reason that is considered harassment.

Reports don't stack. The only reason to say 'Report x' is for harrasing the players you are mentioning.

But it's not meaningless. You are less toxic. You are making steps in the right direction. You are becoming a better summoner, and you are likely to provide insight once reformed that regular people can't provide. Why do you think Rehabilitation centers exist for drugs and alcohol? Why don't they just raid them and throw all the junkies in prison?

Once again, it's not Riots job to teach you not to be toxic. League isn't a rehabilitation center. And toxicity isn't a drug.

You can instantly choose not to be toxic, by just simply not typing anything. It's that easy. If you need help to not be toxic, get proffesional help.

In an ideal world of daisy chains and hippies, there would be no toxic players. But this isn't an ideal world. There is always going to be undesirable players and no amount of removal will change that. You remove all the rank 1 toxic players and the community shifts it's focus to rank 2 toxic players and it just keeps going like that. It's because the people playing nowadays and working for Riot now weren't around when it was bad. They are no different than whingy millennials in politics. They've never seen what true toxicity or harassment is, so they just label everything they don't like as it.

So Riot should cater to the minority of the playerbase, just because you disagree with the majority?

No, toxicity will never be completely removed but it would be waaaay more rampant if we didn't have the system.

Back then:

Part of Nazi Germany's political structure? You're a facist. Intentionally feed when someone doesn't leash? You're toxic.

Nowadays:

Disgree with what I said? You're a facist. Post something slightly not nice? You're toxic.

When you remove the original sin, something much less serious takes it's place because there isn't anything to compare it to.

While I agree that people that call others fascist are idiots, you have to realise that those are in the vocal minority.

I'm so glad people like you spend all day in a basement instead of the real world.

If people like you had any real power, the justice system would be turned on its head and would begin executing all prisoners instead of trying to rehabilitate.

Punishments are for rehabilitation, and rehabilitation is a process.

"I ran out of arguments so now im just insulting"

That's fine.

The justice system fucking sucks. It's absolutely horrible. Atleast in the US, where i'm thankfully not in. Punishments in real life are not meant for rehabilitation either. Do you think they send people to prison because they want them to rehabilitate? They don't. They send them to prison to make money. The US is fucked up.

But, the IFS has nothing to do with real life punishments. At most you lose an account on a game. And you only lost it because no one wanted to play with you because of your attitude.

"People are so sensitive now! I'm gonna cry because I can't be a prick ingame!"

If what Riot say are true (Which probably isn't), only a minute fraction (something like 0.01% of players are perma'd). If that's the case, then there isn't going to be all that many people to reform. Instead of just kicking them out, work with them. Get a buddy system going instead of this garbage honor system. Fix that tiny percentage of players and all will be happy.

Oh wait, no.. Riot actually look for permabans, because they make shekels off it. No one quits LoL until they want to. I seriously think people would struggle to find somebody who quit playing BECAUSE of the perma. In most cases it is either the straw that breaks the camels back, or they just remake and relevel. This does nothing for toxicity, because Riot doesn't give a fuck about toxicity. All (((Riot))) cares about it money, and banning players is their second biggest source of that.

And it does do something for toxicity, because people don't want to lose their account.

Permabans aren't a problem if you aren't toxic. Which is easy. Just don't type, then you don't have a problem.

MindspeakerNov 23, 20171 votes

Unreformed Shaco I disagree with everything in above regarding that "long reply"

However RallerenP did a good job of replying to that as a whole so I don't need to put effort into responding to that rubbish.

I beginning to think you are actually incapable of understanding the concept that you and people like you are the problem not everyone else.

I will speak to one point as RallerenP did not provide this one quote from RIOT

[{quoted}](name=Unreformed Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xk28JHkM,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-23T06:28:20.010+0000)

Riot doesn't give a fuck about toxicity. All (((Riot))) cares about it money, and banning players is their second biggest source of that.

^^^Here you are totally wrong as well. ^^^^^

Riot Tantram (NA) - 7 days ago

We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though.

We do not want people who are going to blame others for every loss, and ask to report them for doing poorly.

Did you read that last comment ?

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

I'm sorry but Tantrams comment just shows how out of touch and idiot he is.

"We can't stop people making new accounts"

If you seriously believe that, then words cannot describe how stupid you are.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Other companies ban so many different ways that stop players from being able to create a new account and continue their crusade of abuse, but Riot doesn't because they benefit from it.

There are ways around every form of ban that companies put out, but they are MUCH more inconvenient than remaking and starting at level 1.

JG Is Bad RoleNov 20, 20171 votes

Well that'd be nice and all but I never got any chat restrictions. Straight to the 14 day.

RallerenPNov 20, 20171 votes

That means you triggered a 0 tolerance policy (using homophobic slurs, racist slurs, or encouraging people to harm themselves.).

It's clearly stated on the 14-day ban reform card that the next punishment would be a permanent ban, but it's a trend that toxic people generally don't bother reading the rules :/

BuffNerdBrown Nov 22, 20171 votes

THATS A LIE I GET CALLED A %%%%%% LIKE EVERYGAME BRUH AND I SEE HOMIE QUED WITH ME ON MY TEAM RIOTS SYSTEM IS BACKWARDS AS HELL ON REPORTING.

Anaujiraman420Nov 22, 20171 votes

facts

ModThe DjinnNov 20, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=JG Is Bad Role,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xk28JHkM,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-11-20T12:26:52.636+0000)

Well that'd be nice and all but I never got any chat restrictions. Straight to the 14 day.

We'd need to see those chat logs to know if that escalation is warranted. There ARE words and behaviors that can earn an immediate 14-day ban.

That chat log by itself isn't awful, but it could indeed escalate a 14-day ban to a permanent ban, so that part at least checks out completely.

Unreformed ShacoNov 20, 20173 votes

"Did you talk?"

Yes?

"Did someone report you?"

Yes?

You get punished.

The punishment doesn't matter in terms of crime or context, it's on a step up system.

Starts with chat restrictions, but in recent days they seem to have skipped this phase and move straight to 14 days.

ANY infraction after that, regardless of how minor, is perma.

Does it make sense? Nope. Is it fair and just? Nope. Can you do anything about it? Nope.

Make a new account, you get good shit for levelling now, and just don't spend a dime on the %%%%s.

Imperial PandaaNov 21, 20171 votes

Talking does not equal punishment. Being consistently negative in chat does.

Correct that if something that normally would get a chat restriction gets punished after one has had a 14 day will result in a perm.

Chat restricts on only skipped in examples of cases with hate speech or encouraging self harm. So chat restricts do very much still get issued.

Does it make sense? Yes. Repeat offenders do get increased punishments in multiple "justice" systems. (except Gotham)

Is it fair and just? Yes. The only time it is not is in the hostage situations that is going on.

Can you do anything about it? In some cases, yes. Some cases get overturned, as in examples of the hostage situations. In this case, no, seems justified. Probably would have been used in a case for a chat restrict, but you know, repeated offender.

Something tells me you are potentially salty and have been permed before for language.

Unreformed ShacoNov 21, 20172 votes

This guy is rude. Not toxic.

Are we really in such a state that rudeness is met with thousands of dollars of items gone?

Imperial PandaaNov 21, 20171 votes

Granted it is Urban dictionary, so take it with a grain of salt. (not that there is a shortage of that on League. Heyooooo!)

Toxic is a group of people who are rude and can't be nice. They are not true to people around them. They need an attitude check. Their personalities are so unappealing its make the people around them suffer and turn rude as well.

Unreformed ShacoNov 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xk28JHkM,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T04:41:45.446+0000)

Granted it is Urban dictionary, so take it with a grain of salt. (not that there is a shortage of that on League. Heyooooo!)

Toxic is a group of people who are rude and can't be nice. They are not true to people around them. They need an attitude check. Their personalities are so unappealing its make the people around them suffer and turn rude as well.

That's because whingy SJW fucks misusing it has changed the definition. Same goes for racist sexist etc etc. If you throw the word around enough the definition changes.

It used to be for the rudest of rude, the disgustingly vile, . Now its used for anyone and anything that doesn't want rainbow dances with their peers.

MindspeakerNov 21, 20171 votes

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This guy is rude. Not toxic.

Are we really in such a state that rudeness is met with thousands of dollars of items gone?

Yes. that is how it should be . if you spend 100 000 000 on your account you should lose it if you are "rude jerk" in game.

If you cant act like a mature positive civilized player and not stress out of the status outcome and rank of a mere VIDEO GAME.

YOU simply don't deserve to be here . There is no justification at any time to be "rude" , use negative commentary if if not directed at anyone , or rant about personal grievances in a VIDEO GAME

That is not "SJW" that is acting like a mature civilized adult not a verbally abusive immature tantrum throwing child.

People whining about not spending money on the game are the ones getting punished

some of us have played for years spend 1000's and have never got even a warning.

explain that.

Unknown % of players deal with the same trolls, the same losses, the same EVERYTHING and still manage to get a champion/ward at the end of the season without getting warned or punished.

Unreformed ShacoNov 21, 20171 votes

Unknown % of players deal with the same trolls, the same losses, the same EVERYTHING and still manage to get a champion/ward at the end of the season without getting warned or punished.

Some people are better at dealing with those triggers than others. Its like saying

"We will take away the license of people who do doughies in the car park and drive drunk." - Toxic Drivers

"We will take away the license of people who cut others off, because that's rude." - Rude Drivers.

There's a fucking line. Rudeness does not cross it.

This isn't a safe space. Riot shouldn't have to babysit a bunch of whingy shits, they should just accept that not everyone in life is nice and that's just how it goes.

MindspeakerNov 21, 20171 votes

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Some people are better at dealing with those triggers than others. Its like saying

"We will take away the license of people who do doughies in the car park and drive drunk." - Toxic Drivers

"We will take away the license of people who cut others off, because that's rude." - Rude Drivers.

There's a fucking line. Rudeness does not cross it.

This isn't a safe space. Riot shouldn't have to babysit a bunch of whingy shits, they should just accept that not everyone in life is nice and that's just how it goes.

There is where you don't understand. THIS is not REAL LIFE those examples are irrelevant.

as for this space ...this space is whatever RIOT wants it to be . There is no "free speech " here there is no anything.

IN fact YOU do not have the RIGHT to be here YOU have the privilege

While here YOU are REQUIRED to act the way RIOT wants you to act its not optional.

they will and have very right to ask you to leave if you don't

Also Rudeness is not acceptable anywhere it shows a immature uncivilized attitude and Yes there should be a line drawn there.

If a player does not have the emotional stability, emotional control or anger management skill to deal with the triggers that is THEIR PROBLEM

NO one can blame their actions on the game , the players , or RIOT

The fact that you are defending the fact people should be allowed to be rude shows alot about your character as a person.

Unreformed ShacoNov 21, 20171 votes

You're seriously a moron if you think that.

By your logic, if Riot made a rule to ban everybody with the letter E in their name, that would be perfectly acceptable because it's their game.

Seriously, don't have kids. Let your genetic line die out please.

MindspeakerNov 21, 20171 votes

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You're seriously a moron if you think that.

By your logic, if Riot made a rule to ban everybody with the letter E in their name, that would be perfectly acceptable because it's their game.

Seriously, don't have kids. Let your genetic line die out please.

Umm i would look in the mirror before calling anyone a moron when you make such an obviously flawed and naive repose like that

YOu made a good point If riot wanted to ban all E's form user name they could and it would be legitimate.

If they wanted to say no player can play more than 5 matches a day they could

if they wanted to say you had to play 2 bot matches and 2 normal games before you did anything else they could .

If they wanted to say the word "apple" was banned they could

They can Literally do ANYTHING and make ANY Rule they want and EVERYTHING they do would be legitimate.

Why because its THIER GAME

If you cant understand a simple concept like that really you are the one with cognitive issues.

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

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Umm i would look in the mirror before calling anyone a moron when you make such an obviously flawed and naive repose like that

YOu made a good point If riot wanted to ban all E's form user name they could and it would be legitimate.

If they wanted to say no player can play more than 5 matches a day they could

if they wanted to say you had to play 2 bot matches and 2 normal games before you did anything else they could .

If they wanted to say the word "apple" was banned they could

They can Literally do ANYTHING and make ANY Rule they want and EVERYTHING they do would be legitimate.

Why because its THIER GAME

If you cant understand a simple concept like that really you are the one with cognitive issues.

We aren't talking about whether they can or not you inbred, we are talking about whether or not it is reasonable.

MindspeakerNov 23, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unreformed Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xk28JHkM,comment-id=000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-23T06:03:13.536+0000)

We aren't talking about whether they can or not you inbred, we are talking about whether or not it is reasonable.

Maybe everyone else is but you are not.

It is not at all REASONABLE to allow being "rude" in a video game.

There is no justification to be "rude "...EVER

You cannot blame your lack of self control on anyone but yourself.

If you cant control yourself youdont desrve to be here PERIOD

Seriously if you care going to rage because someone might make you lose a mere video game match or lp intentional or just because they don't take it as seriously as you or are verbally disruptive in any way.

YOU are the one with the problem not other players not the game not riot

YOU and YOU alone should be held accountable for YOUR actions ...Yes even being rude Regarless of anything that happened in game

"Welll im human" "well some people are not that good at control"
"some people don't react well to triggers"

all you responses are pure rubbish

So Yes It is perfectly REASONABLE for riot to expect Mature Civilized respectable behavior for ALL players ALL the time.

PS:

here is a repy i gave to someone else who thought the rules were set to high

They are not impossible to follow or to high standard.

An unknown % of players out of the literally millions that play get though the entire season dealing with exactly the same solo que, same intentionally disruptive rule breaking players , the same non meta picks the same everything and still never get a warning and still get their champ/ ward skins at the end of the season.

If a player can't emotionally handle losing a game, even one lost by legitimate rule breakers, and chooses not to mute the verbally abusive ones without responding that is the fault of the player not the game , not riot , not ranked .. the player.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed

If you are getting stressed out over a video game even ranked that is your issue according to Riot you have no right to bring into into the game in any ways shape or forum

In other words you still according to Riots behavioral policy you have no right to

be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
Chastise those who you don't agree with
complain about anything
Rant about any personal grievance in the game
giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

Neither of those rules are "impossible" or "high standard"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still not a sersiose life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

2 . Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value? As I said before the safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up permabanned

Also if you are having such an adverse reaction If you don't like the solo que environment for any reason as much as you are describing in your posts then stop playing in solo que and just play with pre-made teams you will probably have a much less stressful and more rewarding experience

IB4 I cant play with premades don't have enough contacts .....that is not an excuse to act against Riots code of behavioral conduct.

really just consider this ...in the end you reap what you sow and "blame " for that is solely on the person you see in the mirror

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

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mabey everyone else is but you are not. Your jsut trying top It is not REASONABLE to allow being "rude" in a video game.

There is no justification to be "rude "...EVER

You cannot blame your lack of self control on anyone but yourself.

If you cant control yourself youdont desrve to be here PERIOD

Seriously if you care going to rage because someone might make you lose a mere video game match or lp intentional or just because they don't take it as seriously as you or are verbally disruptive in any way.

YOU and YOU alone should be held accountable for YOUR actions ...Yes even being rude Regarless of anything that happened in game

"Welll im human" "well some people are not that good at control"
"some people don't react well to triggers"

all you responses are pure rubbish

So Yes It is perfectly REASONABLE for riot to expect Mature Civilized respectable behavior for ALL players ALL the time.

PS:

here is a repy i gave to someone else who thought the rules were set to high

They are not impossible to follow or to high standard.

An unknown % of players out of the literally millions that play get though the entire season dealing with exactly the same solo que, same intentionally disruptive rule breaking players , the same non meta picks the same everything and still never get a warning and still get their champ/ ward skins at the end of the season.

If a player can't emotionally handle losing a game, even one lost by legitimate rule breakers, and chooses not to mute the verbally abusive ones without responding that is the fault of the player not the game , not riot , not ranked .. the player.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed

If you are getting stressed out over a video game even ranked that is your issue according to Riot you have no right to bring into into the game in any ways shape or forum

In other words you still according to Riots behavioral policy you have no right to

be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive

react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive

chastise those legitimately breaking the rules

Chastise those who you don't agree with

complain about anything

Rant about any personal grievance in the game

giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

Neither of those rules are "impossible" or "high standard"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still not a sersiose life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value? As I said before the safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up permabanned

Also if you are having such an adverse reaction If you don't like the solo que environment for any reason as much as you are describing in your posts then stop playing in solo que and just play with pre-made teams you will probably have a much less stressful and more rewarding experience

IB4 I cant play with premades don't have enough contacts .....that is not an excuse to act against Riots code of behavioral conduct.

really just consider this ...in the end you reap what you sow and "blame " for that is solely on the person you see in the mirror

AKA Don't talk.

TactrixNov 20, 20173 votes

You can be banned for anything now, sneezing, looking at a teammate the wrong way, just getting reported by multiple people. If you're trying to decide whether a punishment was warranted then consider this. It doesn't matter. They don't care if it was, they'll ban everyone and call it "for the integrity of the game". The real reason everyone's getting banned is so they have to make new accounts and spend money. So never spend a dime on this greedy company.

MindspeakerNov 21, 20172 votes

{quoted}

You can be banned for anything now, sneezing, looking at a teammate the wrong way, just getting reported by multiple people. If you're trying to decide whether a punishment was warranted then consider this. It doesn't matter. They don't care if it was, they'll ban everyone and call it "for the integrity of the game". The real reason everyone's getting banned is so they have to make new accounts and spend money. So never spend a dime on this greedy company.

there is so much incorrect info in this entire post. however i am only going to take the time to address 2 of them.

You can be banned for anything now, sneezing, looking at a teammate the wrong way, just getting reported by multiple people.

um no 1 report is = 9 reports.

only if you have a negative attitude , retaliate , criticize your team mates or in any other way be verbally abusive / or actively disruptive,

In other words if you don't have anything positive to say don't say anything at all.

The real reason everyone's getting banned is so they have to make new accounts and spend money.

untrue as well.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X2m9OOAQ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-16T22:23:15.538+0000)

We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though.

We do not want people who are going to blame others for every loss, and ask to report them for doing poorly.

TactrixNov 21, 20171 votes

None of the info in this post is incorrect just because you don't realize thats how it works now makes you uninformed not the info incorrect. Why don't you go to YouTube and look up highest game singed threatened with ban?

MindspeakerNov 21, 20171 votes

{quoted}

None of the info in this post is incorrect just because you don't realize thats how it works now makes you uninformed not the info incorrect. Why don't you go to YouTube and look up highest game singed threatened with ban?

LOL if your going to base your whole argument on that or the nunu case... two exceptions... wow.....facepalm ...

No sorry you are still wrong....your still just salty.

TactrixNov 21, 20171 votes

I'm basing my arguments on reality, just because it completely demolishes your argument doesn't make it wrong, it makes you wrong. So go back to trolling somewhere else.

MindspeakerNov 21, 20171 votes

{quoted}

I'm basing my arguments on reality, just because it completely demolishes your argument doesn't make it wrong, it makes you wrong. So go back to trolling somewhere else.

Your version of reality that is based on a negative ideas and conspiracy theories You should really read your own posts.

Your the one throwing temper tantrum saying omg don't spend money omg People get banned for the littlest thing.

IMO your the negative troll here.

Thanks ill continue to spend money for the last several year i have had no issues with "warnings or "bans"

Funny how mature civilized respectful players don't have to worry about anything you said.

TactrixNov 22, 20171 votes

What's really funny is that you think you're a mature civilized and respectful anything. I really hope you do keep spending money, that way when you get banned I'll make me laugh even harder at the money you'll lose.

MindspeakerNov 22, 20171 votes

lol...yea well i don't ever do anything to get banned and still get my rewards :) several years and not even a warning... that is what makes me a mature and civilized player .......soo there go that theory of yours .... guess that concept is just too far above your comprehension.

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20172 votes

{quoted}

lol...yea well i don't very do anything to get banned and still get my rewards :) several years and not even a warning... that is what makes me a mature and civilized player .......soo there go that theory of yours .... guess that concept is just too far above your comprehension.

This isn't a war though, it's not toxic people v non toxics.

It comes down to where you think a reasonable line should be drawn.

I don't think anyone would argue that slurs are okay, they certainly cross the line.

However, there is a line when it comes to free speech. Slurs are not protected under there, neither is abuse( to an extent), but plain rudeness is well and truly protected by freedom of speech. Even though Riot is well within their rights to run their business how they want, taking away basic human rights is something the community should disagree with, because it threatens all of us.

TactrixNov 25, 20171 votes

I for one find this hilarious, because this will take their 60mil player community and widdle down to 60 thousand. Than they can never say "we only have 6% toxicity".

TactrixNov 25, 20171 votes

The autoban system has only been in effect for like 2 months, so don't go slapping yourself on the back too much. It didn't take anything to not even get a warning for the last 5 years. Mature and civilized LOL, more like lucky and ignorant.

MindspeakerNov 25, 20171 votes

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The autoban system has only been in effect for like 2 months, so don't go slapping yourself on the back too much. It didn't take anything to not even get a warning for the last 5 years. Mature and civilized LOL, more like lucky and ignorant.

you are sooo full of your self its not funny..... it has nothing to do with luck you simply have to follow the rules and not stress out over the status and outcome of a video game. As i s aid in previous thread.

In other words you still according to Riots behavioral policy you have no right to

be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
Chastise those who you don't agree with
complain about anything
Rant about any personal grievance in the game
giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

If you cant stop yourself form doing any of the above or any of the game play stuff ( intentional feeding rage quit etc )

There is no luck involved ...zero follow all above rules and you will never be in trouble

You and other's on this forum are simply naturally too immature uncivilized and just generally have a too much of toxic personality to to realize this.

TactrixNov 26, 20171 votes

It's astounding to me that they would put those rules there when they themselves cannot follow them. The already fired a person for his response to players, and their reaction to being called "nothing above silver players" was to immediately make the design team post their ranks which is a clear "defending yourself against toxicity". And yet this band of hypocrites expects everyone else to do what even they can't? That's funny, that's what that is.

TrOllbohnNov 21, 20172 votes

Quit bitching about it and just buy a new account. Go to a reputable site, drop $20, and be as toxic as you want without dealing with lame ass Riot and their snowflake bullshit. Worst case scenario, your new acct gets banned 6 months later which means you paid roughly $3 a month to circumvent Riot's crap.

You're welcome.

Erch0Nov 20, 20171 votes

In this chat log noting is banable talk with riot and say that there no have even 1 bad word except " ekko afk " wich is Not bannable !

MindspeakerNov 20, 20171 votes

If were already at 14 days then Ban justified that entire chat log was unnecessary negative commentary = negative attitude.

just one example there are more "negative commentary" examples before and after this as well. This can also be considered verbal abuse as you are criticizing your team mate witch is also not allowed.

[{quoted}](name=JG Is Bad Role,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xk28JHkM,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-20T10:54:11.376+0000)

JG Is Bad Role: not much i can do when you all lose your lanes so fast JG Is Bad Role: ekko hey bud JG Is Bad Role: you wanna JG Is Bad Role: not play JG Is Bad Role: this game JG Is Bad Role: or JG Is Bad Role: play intro bots JG Is Bad Role: frirst JG Is Bad Role: you know

People don't seem t understand that you don't have to use offensives language to be toxic . "negative commentary, complimenting ,whining ranting about personal grievances whatever you want to call it during a match is reportable and punishable to under "negative attitued"

FegoneNov 20, 20171 votes

if you were just coming back from a 14 days suspension, then yes. Enjoy the ban. if you had a clean record before that, then no. should not be permaban, should be a chat restriction imho

RàichuNov 21, 20171 votes

permaaaaaa

Felidae77Nov 21, 20171 votes

You were critiquing the Ekko player in a non-constructive fashion - i.e. you were harassing him. Given that you were already on a 14-day... well, the result speaks for itself.

Alternate possible messages: 'Ekko, please practice your champ some more. Your mechanics ain't great' 'd-cap is not a good 2nd item for Ekko. <insert item> would be a much better choice' Or 'Go full tank Ekko, we're not doing good. If we want to win we'll have to protect Kog'

After that, just let it go, unless the other player shows an interest in starting up a constructive conversation.

BuffNerdBrown Nov 22, 20171 votes

BRUH THIS AINT SHIT LOL YOU KNOW WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT AND SO DO I IT AINT BANNABLE IN MY EYES

Anaujiraman420Nov 22, 20171 votes

dude i got perma banned today because i said you are bad to someone twice. a bunch of soft people on this game. I got banned for no reason lmao