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Thoughts on Autofill in ranked?

Recidiva··6 votes·3,538 views

Hey guys,

I'm writing this after losing a ranked game that I really don't think I should have lost, if only the system worked properly. What happened: I queued up in solo queue, picked ADC or top. I was given ADC. I declared Caitlyn Caitlyn as the champ I wanted to play. Our support says: "i go adc". I say, "sorry, I was given adc so im going adc". They say "adc or i troll :D" When their turn comes to ban, they ban Caitlyn. Caitlyn I get pissed off and declare Miss Fortune now MissFortune , telling this guy that I still plan to go adc. The whole team asks them to please just go support, and not troll, but when it's time to pick my champion, this dude hasn't given up. So I begrudgingly lock in Morgana Morgana and say "fine, i'll go support." They say "yay :D" and lock in Jinx Jinx (of course they play Jinx Jinx . Of course.) Long story short, this user flamed, called us noobs and ultimately finished the game with a score of 0/10, blaming me, the support, after claiming to be a Diamond 5 smurf. (I'm bronze but even I could tell that this guy has never even reached silver). Yeah you could say it was my fault, and that a good support would carry their adc even if they fed - but this guy was diving when all my spells were on cooldown at level 2, he ran OUT of the redemption circle when I tried to heal him, he just played so so badly and I really tried my best. I reported him after the game but I really don't have much faith in the system if I'm completely honest... This kind of situation has happened to me in at least two of my ranked games now, and both games were lost. Other times, people have just trolled or played champs they have no idea how to play when they get autofilled, so the game is fucked anyway.

Basically, I don't think the autofill system in ranked queues is a good idea. In normals, maybe, because then it doesn't really matter if people troll and you just wanna get into a game quickly anyway (I often go blind if I cba waiting). Autofill doesn't bother my gameplay so much because I don't really mind going support, but a lot of people seem to hate the idea of it. But in ranked, I would MUCH prefer a longer queue time with everyone getting a guaranteed role so that everyone starts the game happy and positive towards their teammates. It's such a bad start to a game when your team is fighting and getting tilted while they're still in champ select.

I just wanna know if anybody else shares my opinion on this, because I really think it's something that Riot should think about. I know it's probably a more common thing in lower ELOs (I've been placed in Bronze 5 to start of this season - please feel free to call me a noob in the comments), so it wouldn't really matter in competitive play which is what they really care about. But at the lower ELOs, all it seems to do is invite trolls and toxic players to abuse the system because they don't get what they want. I personally rarely feed in the games I've played in bronze 5, I usually do very well and have a good KDA at the end, but with players like this it's impossible for me to climb and improve.

TLDR; Autofill shouldn't be implemented in ranked solo/duo queue (at least at low ELOs).

Let me know your thoughts. I've added a poll for an extra element of fun [slayer-jinx-wink] (after that game I hate that this is the only appropriate sticker).

P.S. If anyone's curious, I will happily name and shame the person from my last game :)

31 Comments

OnlyYouCanHearMe3 votes

The problem with not having an autofill option, is that there are literally so few support mains, or even people who are support secondaries, that it can take a very long time for other players to get into a match. Back in teambuilder, I would hop into queue as a support and be in a lobby within 5 seconds, where the other 4 had been there for 30-45 minutes waiting on a support. Not to mention, you run the risk of getting people who say "screw it, I'll support just to get into a match" but who aren't very good at the role, who end up going against a support main.

What that Jinx did was really crappy, but I don't know that the autofill was the real issue. Seems like it was more not having an option to do anything about griefing prior to the match, which Riot is aware of and I believe that they are working on a way to address it logistically to find a way that it cannot be abused.

ReadyxPlayerxOne3 votes

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The problem with not having an autofill option, is that there are literally so few support mains, or even people who are support secondaries, that it can take a very long time for other players to get into a match. Back in teambuilder, I would hop into queue as a support and be in a lobby within 5 seconds, where the other 4 had been there for 30-45 minutes waiting on a support. Not to mention, you run the risk of getting people who say "screw it, I'll support just to get into a match" but who aren't very good at the role, who end up going against a support main.

What that Jinx did was really crappy, but I don't know that the autofill was the real issue. Seems like it was more not having an option to do anything about griefing prior to the match, which Riot is aware of and I believe that they are working on a way to address it logistically to find a way that it cannot be abused.

Fuck that bullshit. RIOT claims this is true but they're exacerbating the issue and failing to understand what's actually going on in why people don't pick supports.

NO ONE wants autofill. NO ONE cares about waiting an extra 5-20 minutes in queue for the position they want to play. I did that in team builder and didn't care because I got the champ and lane I wanted to play and almost no one trolled. Autofill is the WRONG way to go about fixing queue times. It's a disaster and needs to be removed. You may have thought 30-45 minutes was bad... you know what I thought? Wow... it's zero wait time if I play support. And I learned the role really well. And instead of being forced into it... I CHOSE it. RIOT consistently misunderstands problems like this one; implements a horrible solution; then makes up completely bullshit reasons for keeping it.

Because you know what happens? The person who get's autofilled trolls the role. They don't think "oh... i got support... let me do that"... They simply play whatever they want, with whatever build they want... I literally haven't had a real support in hundreds of games (with minimal expectation in 3 games). I'm sorry but I don't want a support or any role that got autofilled because odds are the person has no fucking clue how to play that role, doesn't know how to build it, don't even have the champions to support their team properly and is hating life because they got autofilled. How the fuck is that helping anyone? Queue time isn't a problem. Forcing people to play things they don't want to... IS.

Recidiva3 votes

I agree with this, that's what I was trying to say. I don't care about waiting in a ranked game, I can just leave the queue going and do something else while I wait. Autofill for getting in normal games is one thing - you get in the game quickly and hey, it doesn't even matter if you get an asshole who won't go the role they're assigned because it doesn't lose you any LP. But Autofill has really seemed to be fucking people over in their ranked games, especially solo queue, and I haven't met anyone ingame who thinks it's a good addition to the queue system.

AkaliTheOP2 votes

I main support, but when you have so little say in the game outside of your lane / mid if you end up with enough pressure to roam, playing coin flip simulator isn't that fun.

KraDEsluP2822 votes

i dodge if i get autosupport.

Recidiva3 votes

Yeah that makes sense although people are less willing to do that because of it being a ranked queue... it's just kinda dumb to make people play a role that they don't play, it's bad for the whole team

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

Autofill is the single worst idea in the history of champ select. It fails on a fundamental level to do anything worthwhile. I think everyone would rather wait instead of being forced into a lane they 1. may not know how to play 2. don't want to play 3. may not have the champions needed for that lane.

RIOT needs to figure out that QUALITY > QUANTITY. STOP FUCKING WITH QUANTITY AT THE EXPENSE OF QUALITY AND PEOPLE WON'T HATE YOUR QUEUE PROCESS.

TrulyBland2 votes

So if the queue time was 50 years longer, but your match would be slightly more enjoyable, you'd prefer that?

Don't treat quality > quantity like it's this binary all or nothing dogma. Quality is generally more important, but that doesn't mean you can completely disregard quantity.

Pretty big edit: In the specific case of matching players and queue time, they're actually even very closely linked via queue health, making the argument "quality > quantity" even more vacuous.

The longer the queue time is on its own, the less time is "available" to make sure the matches are even. So as quantity drops, so does quality. Likewise, cutting queue time at a different place, can actually help find more even matches, which means that quality will rise.

On the opposite side, as quality of the games increases, the more likely players are going to be willing to play, which in term lowers queue times, so quality can drag up quantity. Once again, corrolary to that is that if the quality of the games becomes less, less people will want to play, and the queue times go up.

And then, obviously, when you combine these two you get a beautiful positive feedback loop, in which increasing the quantity of games slightly, at the expense of quality, can result in an even higher quantity of games, which in turn can help mitigate the quality loss.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

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So if the queue time was 50 years longer, but your match would be slightly more enjoyable, you'd prefer that?

Don't treat quality > quantity like it's this binary all or nothing dogma. Quality is generally more important, but that doesn't mean you can completely disregard quantity.

Pretty big edit: In the specific case of matching players and queue time, they're actually even very closely linked via queue health, making the argument "quality > quantity" even more vacuous.

The longer the queue time is on its own, the less time is "available" to make sure the matches are even. So as quantity drops, so does quality. Likewise, cutting queue time at a different place, can actually help find more even matches, which means that quality will rise.

On the opposite side, as quality of the games increases, the more likely players are going to be willing to play, which in term lowers queue times, so quality can drag up quantity. Once again, corrolary to that is that if the quality of the games becomes less, less people will want to play, and the queue times go up.

And then, obviously, when you combine these two you get a beautiful positive feedback loop, in which increasing the quantity of games slightly, at the expense of quality, can result in an even higher quantity of games, which in turn can help mitigate the quality loss.

Yes... I'd prefer waiting for 1 game in a lifetime that was perfectly matched and not some bullshit attempt by RITO to "fix" crap.

I'd like to see where they're linked; with real data. Because it's completely counterintuitive that a longer queue with greater matchmaking = lower quality game. The enjoyment of the process and game... possibly. But that's mostly cause people are impatient on average and that shouldn't be calculated into this process.

I stand by what i said. Autofill is a disaster. I have no problem waiting longer (or queueing as support) for a game that's not dominated by a failed concept.

Recidiva2 votes

Same, I just leave the queue up and do something else. Realistically at lower ELOs (which is what I think will experience the most problems with Autofill) it's not gonna take that long to find a game.

Kei1431 votes

i queue as solo fill in flex queue.

Most the time I see more supports in flex queue as they want to support their buddies and lesser of them would rage due to auto fill.

Infact, I don't think I've seen someone rage as support cos of autofill, maybe its because I queue as fill.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

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i queue as solo fill in flex queue.

Most the time I see more supports in flex queue as they want to support their buddies and lesser of them would rage due to auto fill.

Infact, I don't think I've seen someone rage as support cos of autofill, maybe its because I queue as fill.

It's 100% because you queue as fill. I've had so many people troll the role or fail at it completely because they get autofilled.

Kei1431 votes

As solo fill in flex, these are my role rates for the past 57 games:

Top: 4 (7%) Jg: 14 (25%) Mid: 3 (5%) ADC: 6 (10%) Support: 30 (53%)

Now I don't know what the soloQ rates are, but there are certainly 47% of my games that either don't mind autofilled as support or they are queuing as support.

Not to say that some of them didn't totally botch the support role and how to play as support, but that is the case in any role where you got some baddies that can't play the game to a certain expectation.

AkaliTheOP1 votes

Show some backbone next time. Don't give the moron the role they want after they demand it like a spoiled child, you report that kid and watch the ban come flying through. Automated system only takes upwards of 15 minutes to take effect, so you won't be left waiting long for retribution.

d7MbXXYSGE2 votes

Only 5% are actually restricted or banned. FYI This is a stat from Riot.

TrulyBland1 votes

5% of players, not 5% of toxic players. "It's statistically unlikely that I will be mauled to death by a grizzly bear" may be a very sensible statement to make for the average person. But it's very naive stance to hold while you are actively being mauled to death by a grizzly bear.

Recidiva1 votes

I've just gotten so sick of losing games because of these kids who troll when they don't get what they want... I just wanted a chance to win one game and if I gotta keep a moron happy I was willing to give it a shot. Yeah my bad I guess as I could have MAYBE carried the game to a win as ADC, but I was just so tired of losing that I gave in.

Magical Player1 votes

Its a game, 1 game out of a handful will be bad. I'd rather 1 bad game every 30 than 30 bad games for 1 good game(which was season 1-3) the whole I called 1st i get what i called. or pick order= get order

d7MbXXYSGE3 votes

Do you play in bronze/silver? It's just a game, It's just 1 game out of a handful. I recently got out of bronze (because I was placed in it w/ new reset) and let me tell you. IT WAS NOT A HANDFUL. As a gold player, I was actually demoted from bronze 4 to bronze 5 at one point. You don't understand the reality of the 80% of league's player base is experiencing.

Recidiva1 votes

I've been stuck in bronze since the start (originally got placed in bronze 1 after playing for a couple months) and maintained that position, finishing in bronze 2 after the grind towards the end of the season. EVERY SINGLE GAME we had either an afk, a troll, a dc, or someone playing a champ for the first time because mobafire said it counters the enemy laner. It's a lot harder to climb out of bronze than it seems, especially if you're not a godlike player yet, as you can't even learn anything when you're playing with/against retards.

Magical Player1 votes

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Do you play in bronze/silver? It's just a game, It's just 1 game out of a handful. I recently got out of bronze (because I was placed in it w/ new reset) and let me tell you. IT WAS NOT A HANDFUL. As a gold player, I was actually demoted from bronze 4 to bronze 5 at one point. You don't understand the reality of the 80% of league's player base is experiencing.

Thats where you are wrong, Say hello to smurfing 101 I've been in bronze before(season 1) I got out I climbed like everyone else who wanted to get out But please tell me how I never will understand what bronze players are thinking

Additionally the game is not made for the 80% this game is made for that special 1% who play the game at a comp level(d1+)

Why should I care about what 80% think, 80% think the game is unfair. 80% also can't climb beyond gold(in your words) How is that my fault for not caring that you can not climb past gold. The higher u get the better it gets Start climbing

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xem1wt7E,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-01-05T02:29:05.627+0000)

Its a game, 1 game out of a handful will be bad. I'd rather 1 bad game every 30 than 30 bad games for 1 good game(which was season 1-3) the whole I called 1st i get what i called. or pick order= get order

It's exactly what you're describing for me. 30 shit, and i mean SHIT games with ABSOLUTELY NO TEAMMATES WHATSOEVER... for that 1 good game. And I KNOW autofill is part of the problem. So I don't care; go back to season 1 with 30 minute queue's where everyone who wants mid has the terrible games and not me.

Edit: In fact... IT LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED AGAIN in the game i just queued.

Magical Player2 votes

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It's exactly what you're describing for me. 30 shit, and i mean SHIT games with ABSOLUTELY NO TEAMMATES WHATSOEVER... for that 1 good game. And I KNOW autofill is part of the problem. So I don't care; go back to season 1 with 30 minute queue's where everyone who wants mid has the terrible games and not me.

Edit: In fact... IT LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED AGAIN in the game i just queued.

Ohh no you mis understand Season one-three was literally cancer bullshit in champ select If you were not 1st pick you got whatever was left over in select Nobody gave a damn about you because nobody had to So Autofill is good, because it forces everyone at sometime or another to play roles they don't want to Its not unfair, its unbiased as anyone could be forced to adc or support.

Join one of dem communities and you will find a better time I'd bet

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

That's even worse.

It's an absolute cancerous bullshit plague.

I'd MUCH rather have that old system back. I remember it. It was better. And I don't care who says otherwise.

And to say it's GOOD because it forces people to play roles they don't want to play is just utter garbage logic. If you wanted to play shortstop and were only good at shortstop and 2nd base... would it be ok if the league decided you had to play left field every other game? No. No real life anything works this way.

Magical Player1 votes

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That's even worse.

It's an absolute cancerous bullshit plague.

I'd MUCH rather have that old system back. I remember it. It was better. And I don't care who says otherwise.

And to say it's GOOD because it forces people to play roles they don't want to play is just utter garbage logic. If you wanted to play shortstop and were only good at shortstop and 2nd base... would it be ok if the league decided you had to play left field every other game? No. No real life anything works this way.

Get ready for the DMV line or any government job/workplace It was better, you want what people to tell you to suck eggs as last pick you will be supporting yeah fun times ahead this is better lower odds you're playing something you dont want to

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xem1wt7E,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T19:59:47.115+0000)

Get ready for the DMV line or any government job/workplace It was better, you want what people to tell you to suck eggs as last pick you will be supporting yeah fun times ahead this is better lower odds you're playing something you dont want to

What the hell are you rambling on about? The DMV? Are you even serious?

d7MbXXYSGE1 votes

Don't worry, faith in the system doesn't matter. Your report won't do much. he may not be part of the 5% of summoners so bad that Riot will do something about him. If anything you may be reported and restricted yourself, just depend on who wins the flame war in convincing others to report you.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Funny part is even if millions of people said to remove it; RIOT wouldn't. Cause they're fucking horrid like that.

O2bqfKAJr11 votes

I think the auto fill system is mostly bad. People choose autofill then they are not willing to play the role given therefore troll said people that chose to pick a role, by taking it, I think autofill needs to be removed if people are not going to 'fill' whichever role they are given then they shouldnt be bloody queuing as it. Simple as, im honestly surprised how bad this games community has gotten since i last actively played (when the game released up to seasons 2 ish)

Commander Banjo1 votes

Bump, Got auto-filled again and lost again. Look, if this were a good solution than the LCS would be better off forcing their players to play a different role at random too. Doublelift isn't in the professional scene for his ability to jungle so why force this on other players that just want to play what they're best at in the system that judges them on how they play. for this reason, having autofill inhibits me from playing what I'm best at and has no purpose in ranked. RIOT has let me down on this and should have at least given me the option to play with or without it (i get that some people don't care). Climbing has never been harder because of this and the fact that they don't even give me my secondary is infuriating and insulting. Thanks for nothing Riot.

ModJikker1 votes

Please don't bump old threads. Let them stay dead and make a new thread instead.

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