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Permanently banned lol

nautika··4 votes·2,993 views

Edit: By the way, I was in the process of reporting Riot to the Better Business Bureau because of my assumptions posted, well, here, and an audible laugh was sounded the moment I found this:

https://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/video-game-dealers/riot-games-in-los-angeles-ca-1013443

Before you say, 'well, they're a gaming company',

https://www.bbb.org/sdoc/business-reviews/wholesale-video-games/blizzard-entertainment-inc-in-irvine-ca-13050668

This is important enough to predicate, as I would like you, the reader, to take this into consideration whilst reading this post, and although I have repeated myself below, I think it is an important enough plausible reality to need to repeat twice.

I believe, after speaking with others as well as my personal experiences, that Riot is banning individuals for less than worthy causes in order to retrieve renewed income from these persons. In plain English, I think when they ban you, there's a likelihood that you'll come back (as they have put nothing into effect to stop this), assuming you'll spend the same amount of money, and as long as they have some silly notion of why they banned you this is legal.

In fact, so much so, that the first reply to this post from an 'anonymous' player was that I should turn around and make a new account. Yeah, make a new account with Riot and purchase all the things of which you'd had before. Sure, no problem, that seems like the likely solution. Don't permaban my IP or put any precautions to stop me since my behavior is so intolerable. No, suggest I try again. Lol, ok.

Supposedly, I am part of the .006% of the community that is so viciously toxic that I am no longer allowed to play this game as my account has been permanently banned. This means that the individuals who were harassing me on my team as well as the other team, during this game, must also be apart of that .006% and be sure to follow me - right?

99.994% (hopefully my match is correct ;p) of the community that plays this game has never said nor will ever say anything as offensive as what I've listed below. Is that what you're telling me, Riot? I had absolutely no cause and justification to say all those vehement curse words towards the support that literally had just trolled me for twenty plus minutes the game before? All those violent, offensive, harassing comments that I'd slung in his direction.

Additionally, I must've been talking to myself as the game goes on. There's _no wa_y, shape, or form that I was in reality rebutting against any individual's comments that were of the same tone as mine. There's absolutely no way. In the four times I've been reported, quite similar to this, of the same exact tone, not only was it more extreme than the community, but so reprehensible that the $500.00+ I'd spent on my account could no longer be mine.

Game 1 nautika: ali can u try to protect me this game lol nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: ali i love u bud but u make bot lane so hard for me nautika: and im really good at it nautika: nex ttime this happens to me nunu we're waiting to q nautika: ok just play safe nautika: ok nautika: she has 50 dmg on me nautika: ??? nautika: ali r u trolling nautika: y stun sion and not jinx nautika: pls just go rtoam nautika: just go roam nautika: lol nautika: just help gank pls nautika: with mobility boots nautika: ali i cant freze lane with u here doing that... nautika: ok nautika: ? nautika: r u kidding me nautika: shut up nautika: u have not landed a stun nautika: in 2 games nautika: b quiet nautika: y don tu na.op my name alistar and check my kda's and ask yourself what the problem is nautika: i can give u a hint nautika: ok nautika: attack the support brand nautika: ok nautika: makes sense nautika: brand u literally said "this twitch" nautika: he literally says this twitch and is mad bc i called him out for attacing the support lol nautika: after he syas thix twitch nautika: lol nautika: I have a 4.0-9.0 on all my adcs lux pls stop all chatting nautika: muted

I have one of two theories, and hear me out if you would, please.

Option 1: That this is a marketing tactic, employed by Riot, in order to rehash dollars spent for a % of users in order to retain a consistent albeit speculative of income in regards to present users. Funny enough, I must know the other .006% of users in this world to lose a League of Legends account, isn't that crazy?

Option 2: It just so happens to be that the Tribunal or whatever authoritative/fascist government held in the game is a malicious, abusive conglomerate of teenagers with an inferiority complex that lashes the hammer every single time they have an opportunity.

To be frank, it's probably a mixture of both.

77 Comments

Coopa1238 votes

To give you some background, I had just played an entire game with an Alistar who legitimately trolled me for the entire match

Context is irrelevant. You get punished for what you say. Nobody can make you say anything. If you're triggered by someone you mute them, you don't retaliate. Especially not after your 14 day ban.

When you got suspended it explicitly told you that any further violation of the ToS will result in a permanent ban. Here you spam, boss your teammates around, bitch about teammates in allchat, irrelevant arguing + generally passive-aggressive attitude.

The account is gone. The ban is justified. If you wish to continue playing this game I'd suggest you create a new account.

nautika2 votes

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Context is irrelevant. You get punished for what you say. Nobody can make you say anything. If you're triggered by someone you mute them, you don't retaliate. Especially not after your 14 day ban.

When you got suspended it explicitly told you that any further violation of the ToS will result in a permanent ban. Here you spam, boss your teammates around, bitch about teammates in allchat, irrelevant arguing + generally passive-aggressive attitude.

The account is gone. The ban is justified. If you wish to continue playing this game I'd suggest you create a new account.

You are literally as aggressive in this post as I was in the game.

Coopa1238 votes

What's your point?

We're not playing a game right now. We're not on the same team trying to reach the same goal.

You're trying to justify acting like a jerk and I'm just telling you that being a jerk gets you banned no matter why you're a jerk.

Makes sense?

nautika2 votes

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What's your point?

We're not playing a game right now. We're not on the same team trying to reach the same goal.

You're trying to justify acting like a jerk and I'm just telling you that being a jerk gets you banned no matter why you're a jerk.

Makes sense?

So, you're chastising me for being a 'jerk' in game whilst you're a 'jerk' to me in the forums and it's tolerated because we don't share a mutual objective? How old are you? In what world does that make sense to you?

i.e. you feel you only have to be a certain degree of respectful so long as you're playing league of legends, and then afterward are allowed to be a complete asshat? lol?

Was I really a jerk? If we're playing football on the field and i say 'hey bro, can you catch the ball or what?' after your fifth drop, i'm a jerk? Or maybe, idk, try to catch the ball, since you volunteered for our adult league and we're, idk, kinda tryin' here?

AeroWaffle6 votes

This is the PB boards. The entire purpose of which is to give opinions on behavior "hence player behavior". Each poster has the option to report users if they are being overly rude or personally attacking others (note, attacking the poster's behavior or argument is not the same as attacking the poster).

But each poster has the option to also just not be here to read the content. Your participation in an argument is completely voluntary, but in league you're forced to be with your teammates if you want to play the game. Which is why behavior is more strict there. People are there to play the game.

nautika3 votes

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This is the PB boards. The entire purpose of which is to give opinions on behavior "hence player behavior". Each poster has the option to report users if they are being overly rude or personally attacking others (note, attacking the poster's behavior or argument is not the same as attacking the poster).

But each poster has the option to also just not be here to read the content. Your participation in an argument is completely voluntary, but in league you're forced to be with your teammates if you want to play the game. Which is why behavior is more strict there. People are there to play the game.

So, you literally are just asking me not to speak with teammates if we're not winning? Majority of what my 'harassment' was, in fact, was asking the guy to buy mobility boots and roam since we were at my last tower, as well as "why" when he literally right clicked their base.

Horribly offensive, I know. I don't know how I could manage to write those malicious attacks to him.

And because we're not playing a game together, you find it 100% alright to speak to me in any manner you like, because apparently, in 2018, we've had zero success playing video game titles with less than G-rated text, right?

Well, I better go tell MLG to pull every other title than League of Legends, since none of them have these policies...

You know what's even more amusing to me?

Not one single game, outside of League of Legends (and I mean game, let alone studio/publisher), has adopted this policy since League of Legends has been introduced and I promise you if it wasn't for the above average game design of mechanics this would probably go down as the most hysterically managed game in history.

Had you tried to implement this same sort of player-behavior strategy for a game that plays like smite or hots this would have been laughed off the street.

if Riot releases anything less than the best game in the world next time around nobody is going to be sticking around for their kindergarten workshop.

AeroWaffle5 votes

So, you literally are just asking me not to speak with teammates if we're not winning?

That's not what "literally" means.

Majority of what my 'harassment' was, in fact, was asking the guy to buy mobility boots and roam since we were at my last tower, as well as "why" when he literally right clicked their base.

If you want me to comment specifically on your case, sure;

nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: ali i love u bud but u make bot lane so hard for me nautika: and im really good at it nautika: nex ttime this happens to me nunu we're waiting to q

Stop spamming, and rude.

nautika: ali r u trolling

Also rude

nautika: r u kidding me nautika: shut up nautika: u have not landed a stun nautika: in 2 games nautika: b quiet nautika: y don tu na.op my name alistar and check my kda's and ask yourself what the problem is nautika: i can give u a hint nautika: ok nautika: attack the support brand nautika: ok nautika: makes sense nautika: brand u literally said "this twitch" nautika: he literally says this twitch and is mad bc i called him out for attacing the support lol nautika: after he syas thix twitch nautika: lol nautika: I have a 4.0-9.0 on all my adcs lux pls stop all chatting nautika: muted

Plenty in there that is not only rude, but unnecessary. Why do you feel the need to comment on their inability to land a stun? Is it helping the game? What's the point of talking to someone else about how mad someone is?

You already mentioned that you were fresh off a 14-day ban, so you were on thin ice. The next punishment results in a perma-ban, it doesn't take extremely poor behavior anymore at that point.

nautika2 votes

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That's not what "literally" means.

If you want me to comment specifically on your case, sure; nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: why nautika: ali i love u bud but u make bot lane so hard for me nautika: and im really good at it nautika: nex ttime this happens to me nunu we're waiting to q

Stop spamming, and rude.

Also rude nautika: shut up nautika: u have not landed a stun nautika: in 2 games nautika: b quiet nautika: y don tu na.op my name alistar and check my kda's and ask yourself what the problem is nautika: i can give u a hint nautika: ok nautika: attack the support brand nautika: ok nautika: makes sense nautika: brand u literally said "this twitch" nautika: he literally says this twitch and is mad bc i called him out for attacing the support lol nautika: after he syas thix twitch nautika: lol nautika: I have a 4.0-9.0 on all my adcs lux pls stop all chatting nautika: muted

Plenty in there that is not only rude, but unnecessary. Why do you feel the need to comment on their inability to land a stun? Is it helping the game? What's the point of talking to someone else about how mad someone is?

You already mentioned that you were fresh off a 14-day ban, so you were on thin ice. The next punishment results in a perma-ban, it doesn't take extremely poor behavior anymore at that point.

So admittedly you believe I was banned for being rude. I lost a $500+ account for being rude on four occasions out of probably what is two hundred games.

By the way, I understand how to apply the word insinuate to a context, and you very much insinuated that I was an asshole - I'm not an idiot, please don't treat me as such, nor do you acknowledge that my use of literally was nothing more than colloquial.

And before you try to indicate that I had been reported 'many more times than this',** I'd like proof.**

AeroWaffle3 votes

So admittedly you believe I was banned for being rude. I lost a $500+ account for being rude on four occasions out of probably what is two hundred games.

I don't know how many times you were rude before in your games. All I now know is you were rude enough to be punished on at least 4 separate occasions. I've been rude a few times in my games but haven't received so much as a warning, so I doubt that you were only rude 4 times. Your behavior is your responsibility and being on the 14-day ban level means that you needed to realize that any more poor behavior can result in a perma-ban.

By the way, I understand how to apply the word insinuate to a context, and you very much insinuated that I was an asshole - I'm not an idiot, please don't treat me as such, nor do you acknowledge that my use of literally was nothing more than colloquial.

A person being rude doesn't mean that they are an asshole. An asshole is someone who is rude a majority of the time. You have spent a lot of time in this thread putting words into people's mouth while I have attempted to be as civil as possible while still disagreeing with your points.

nautika2 votes

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I don't know how many times you were rude before in your games. All I now know is you were rude enough to be punished on at least 4 separate occasions. I've been rude a few times in my games but haven't received so much as a warning, so I doubt that you were only rude 4 times.

A person being rude doesn't mean that they are an asshole. An asshole is someone who is rude a majority of the time. You have spent a lot of time in this thread putting words into people's mouth while I have attempted to be as civil as possible while still disagreeing with your points.

I don't think you're trying to be any more or less civil than I have. You've insinuated that I was an asshole, which I've done nothing of the sort for you. You've attempted to put me down by correcting my English, there was that. I think your passive-aggressive nature is pretty childish - i think this is my being an asshole. I also think, as i'd said before, perhaps a good many of you haven't had much responsibility in your real life, but i'm merely speculating at this point. The difference being, as you've attempted to speculate as to how many games i've been rude in, you don't seem to like to admit that you're just speculating, one would think you actually believe i'd been rude in quite a many more.

The part that strikes me peculiar, as i've read many of these witch trials, i've noticed a theme.

  1. You deserved it.
  2. You're not a very good person.
  3. Don't come back.

All of which seemed exceptionally hostile from the same do-gooders that had reviewed them, I'd imagine?

I believe that Riot is lying about their statistics as well as lying about their player-base, and I'd like some proof. I'd like the company to provide evidence of their findings rather than just statements. As far as I know, they've never provided either.

Also, just to add, for a company that claims to have 90+ million more players than apparently everyone else, all evidence of thus doesn't seem to correlate very well from all the findings that we can correlate this statement to:

https://www.twitch.tv/directory

AeroWaffle3 votes

I don't think you're trying to be any more or less civil than I have. You've insinuated that I was an asshole...

If you're going to continue to put words into my mouth I'm not going to continue the discussion, since it doesn't seem like you desire one anyway.

If you do decide to make a new account I hope that you refrain from being rude in your games not only for the sake of the community but for your own sake. If you decide to quit, gl on your next game.

Have a nice day.

U GOT WRECKT LOL1 votes

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nautika1 votes

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In what world do you think anything he said is permaban worthy? He wasn't even toxic. People really need to stop being so quick to pull the trigger on permabans. This is actually a joke, and the worst part is all the people who are "offended" by literally EVERYTHING who are trying to justify this. I mean he legit was mellow as hell in that chat log for what "seemed" to be going on.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

By the way, the end of that log and my explaining my KDA was after the Lux basically calling me a trash can in all chat.

U GOT WRECKT LOL2 votes

Just my 2 cents I mean the worst thing you said in that log was "shut up." How much more do people really need to travel on this "offended train" before they hit rock bottom...

A PERMABAN for "shut up"????????? Come on, be serious people. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the state of people in general when I see the support for perma over this.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

You're very well-known in Boards for being a troll. Your words don't even matter at all, except to OP's attraction to comments that only agrees with him.

Coopa1233 votes

i.e. you feel you only have to be a certain degree of respectful so long as you're playing league of legends, and then afterward are allowed to be a complete asshat? lol?

Yep. That's exactly what I said and not a straw man on your part at all. My entire moral compass is based on wether or not I am playing a video game with a person ..... I've seen you do this just here on your own post multiple times. If you expect any kind of fruitful discussion you should stop being so intellectually dishonest. It's pathetic.

Was I really a jerk? If we're playing football on the field and i say 'hey bro, can you catch the ball or what?' after your fifth drop, i'm a jerk? Terrible analogy. Wrong on so many levels.

In your analogy you stand infront of me and scream "why why why why why" in my face when I didn't catch the ball. then you went to the enemy team and were like "lol look at this guy can't even catch ball" and complained to the referee about me. Not just once. Many games over a long period of time you keep complaining and bitching about everyone and everything. And now that the coach kicked you the fuck out of the team you're upset.

Or maybe, idk, try to catch the ball, since you volunteered for our adult league and we're, idk, kinda tryin' here?

I love that. I couldn't have said it better. It's so perfect actually that I can't believe you used that in your analogy.

Or maybe, idk, try to not break the rules since you agreed to follow them and Riot, idk, kinda removes people like you from the game.

LOL

AeroWaffle7 votes

Edit: By the way, I was in the process of reporting Riot to the Better Business Bureau because of my assumptions posted, well, here, and an audible laugh resumed the moment I found this:

https://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/video-game-dealers/riot-games-in-los-angeles-ca-1013443

You review what you feel like you need to, but the BBB rating has not mattered for years. It's been at "F" since Riot started because people who are banned for their behavior tend to never agree that their behavior was a problem (which is why they get banned).

nautika2 votes

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You review what you feel like you need to, but the BBB rating has not mattered for years. It's been at "F" since Riot started because people who are banned for their behavior tend to never agree that their behavior was a problem (which is why they get banned).

Yeah, I'm sure it's not just a marketing tactic. I'm also doubly sure that's why Blizzard has an A+ rating despite the hundreds of thousands of accounts they've reported closing for gold farming, account sharing, and account selling as well as rating boosting (they permanently banned their most famous player).

Or, you're just making excuses.

AeroWaffle3 votes

Do you have proof that it's a marketing tactic?

League of legends is not the only MOBA on the market. Not even the only MOBA that is free or good. DOTA 2, Smite, HotS are all good games and all free to play.

If players do not like that all their stuff has been taken from them in league, these other games are not too different and are not horrible. Only their own choice is keeping them here and expecting them to come back after removing all their progress is silly.

Most players that come through these boards after being perma'ed either claim that they'll never come back, or that they'll come back but never spend another dime.

nautika2 votes

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Do you have proof that it's a marketing tactic?

League of legends is not the only MOBA on the market. Not even the only MOBA that is free or good. DOTA 2, Smite, HotS are all good games and all free to play.

If players do not like that all their stuff has been taken from them in league, these other games are not too different and are not horrible. Only their own choice is keeping them here and expecting them to come back after removing all their progress is silly.

Most players that come through these boards after being perma'ed either claim that they'll never come back, or that they'll come back but never spend another dime.

Can you prove that it's not? Can you prove that they don't? It is my personal experience that most people that have been banned in fact do come back and do spend money with the company. They've also been told that they're apart of the .006% - so strange that we all happen to know each other from the same Discord community from multi games/genres.

That's just my personal experience, though. Just kind of bizarre to me that I've met so many of the .006%.

I'd like to see the data for the .006% and the amount that those individuals have spent with the company as well as the amount that individuals have spent for new accounts at the same IP address location (neither of which should be relatively difficult to obtain).

I think what we will find is that the company is 'churning' dollars spent, which, just so you know, is an illegal practice in some industries.

What this means is that at a certain dollar amount, some accounts (due to 'reports'), are eventually banned permanently upon reaching said dollar amount, only to provide roughly the same dollar amount for new accounts. With this method, the company is able to theoretically double their income, perhaps even triple, should these individuals keep playing said game.

Perhaps the people who play edit their behavior, tone it down or whatever have you, only to find themselves yet again banned after spending a certain dollar amount. I'd also be curious to see how many 100% free to play accounts were banned versus the amount of $/spent accounts were banned, perhaps on a $100 threshold.

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

You are the one making the initial claim and thus the burden of proof rests on you. If you want to talk money making then it is better to ban the toxic player, and not because they "might" buy things again, but because of the non toxic players. Here, as a player named Kei143 puts it: "When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic."

Now as far as the .006%. This can actually be a real number still and here is why. It isn't a static number. The number changes as accounts are created. I might need to check again, but I think that percent only factors players permabanned for negative behavior, but for math sake we shall assume it is bots too. Some who get permabanned make a new account. Some players have multiple accounts that don't get in trouble. Some players quit playing and their accounts just sit there. These all contribute to a growing number of non perm player accounts. Bot accounts are constantly made and banned, keeping the number stagnate in those regards.

Considering we have seen the money defense multiple times and they range from 50$ to thousands. I don't think it correlates.

And the reason they don't have a way to stop a player from making a new account, is because there currently isn't a safe way without many casualties or easily circumvented.

nautika2 votes

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You are the one making the initial claim and thus the burden of proof rests on you. If you want to talk money making then it is better to ban the toxic player, and not because they "might" buy things again, but because of the non toxic players. Here, as a player named Kei143 puts it: "When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic."

Now as far as the .006%. This can actually be a real number still and here is why. It isn't a static number. The number changes as accounts are created. I might need to check again, but I think that percent only factors players permabanned for negative behavior, but for math sake we shall assume it is bots too. Some who get permabanned make a new account. Some players have multiple accounts that don't get in trouble. Some players quit playing and their accounts just sit there. These all contribute to a growing number of non perm player accounts. Bot accounts are constantly made and banned, keeping the number stagnate in those regards.

Considering we have seen the money defense multiple times and they range from 50$ to thousands. I don't think it correlates.

And the reason they don't have a way to stop a player from making a new account, is because there currently isn't a safe way without many casualties or easily circumvented.

  1. IPBanning is legal and simple, I'm not sure what you mean by 'safe' or 'without casualties'. If a person wants to spend an extra amount of money to circumvent that, sure, but at least it's a step.
  2. There's no burden of proof, if you're trying to cite american laws, as none of anything i've done has violated any american laws. I mean, cute, but not necessarily applicable, as I'm pretty sure any jury would still be laughing. I mean, it starts off with 'prudent person', and I don't think any of the nonsense here would indicate a prudent person. Pretty sure if you ever told me as an adult that someone else said you were bad at Football and you wanted them arrested or banned from the field they'd be more apt to check your mental health.
  3. Riot has done nothing to try to evidence their users, ban rates, or anything really. They could have just as easily thrown a random number on a notepad. Like I'd stated before and (2) independent sources show, not only is Riot not the most streamed game in the world right now, they are neither the most funded e-sport either, which is odd considering they claim to be the most played game (by far).
  4. A fully purchased account no longer exists to create much profit, however, should you ban a fully purchased account than their opportunity to purchase is, well, obviously doubled. I don't think the logic holds that an account that has existed for a year has the same purchase opportunity as a brand new account, i'm not sure where you're getting that from. A person who owns a house isn't as likely to buy a house as a person who doesn't own a house, derp. lol.
Imperial Pandaa7 votes

.1. Ip bans can take down an entire dorm because of 1 player, or force an entire internet cafe to be banned. It is also easy to get a new ip address.

.2. I am not referring to any laws when I say burden of proof. When you make a statement that contradicts accepted belief or even if it is a simple debate; one must be able to provide evidence of their claim/argument. Once you provide evidence that it is a simple money making scheme, people who disagree will try to provide evidence it isn't.

.3. Perhaps it is a random number, all I am really stating is the number can work. As far as the Stream thing goes, it varies. Some days I log in Twitch and it is, some days I don't. I would take the most played game thing with a grain of salt. Being f2p means a lot of bots which would count for the numbers too.

.4. I think something wasn't understood. We have seen claims on the boards of people who have had permabans placed. They try to use amount spent as a defense. Some of these people have spent only 50 to 100$ and other have spent hundreds to thousands. By your logic, my account should be banned. I own all the champions and have shown I don't buy skins. Therefore they really won't get anymore money out of me. My account has not received a punishment despite having all champs for over a year.

7deadLeeSlnz3 votes

You just gave yourself the answer you are looking for. If Riot did only ban people for the same reasons Blizzard does the ratings would also be the same. The only reason Riot has a bad rating is because they have stricter rules for negative behaviour and people dont agree with them. I read some of the negative ratings and all of them were writen by banned players.

Btw, when was your 14-day-ban?

nautika3 votes

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You just gave yourself the answer you are looking for. If Riot did only ban people for the same reasons Blizzard does the ratings would also be the same. The only reason Riot has a bad rating is because they have stricter rules for negative behaviour and people dont agree with them. I read some of the negative ratings and all of them were writen by banned players.

Btw, when was your 14-day-ban?

I don't think I did. Blizzard also has banned players, I think you'll note that Reckful was one of their most profitable players so-to-speak and they'd permanently closed his account. They've banned a multitude of individuals for purchasing gold, account boosts, rating boosts, so on and so forth, and yet their company rating was on the entire other end of the spectrum.

By the way, Blizzard has many more titles than Riot, is a much more successful company, and has had over 21 years in the online gaming business and has 1/3rd of the complaints as does Riot as a company, if that were to tell you anything - across all of their titles, across 21+ years. That's a pretty sad comparison, in my opinion. (about 7x more successful, I might add)

My fourteen day ban was two and a half weeks ago, this was my first time being reported since being back. I'd received three reports, one of which requesting that I not be harassed in a game, for which I was suspended for two weeks for the same tone.

https://www.pcgamer.com/blizzard-bans-more-than-100000-world-of-warcraft-accounts/

source

I suppose none of those (presumably) max level accounts with exclusive titles and items obtained were perceived to be illegitimate. I suppose the Blizzard players are just more tolerable when banned, lol.

7deadLeeSlnz1 votes

To make it clear for since you dont get the point. Riot only hast more negative reviews becaus they ban players for their behaviour. Blizzard does not do that. That is the only reason.

How do you base success of ? Any sources for your numbers?

Chermorg6 votes

BBB ratings are, quite frankly, worthless pieces of crap. Any good company knows that caring about their BBB rating will cause them more hassle than not. Plus, companies can virtually "buy" their BBB "certification" or rating just by "resolving" bad reviews (by throwing money at consumers in violation of their own policies).

Plus, if you look at all of Riot's "reviews" on the BBB, they're all bullshit that's based around the same reason as yours would be - "i got banned and don't like it". Why should Riot waste time responding to those when they'll never be resolved?

I am terribly sorry to be this blunt... but you're literally grasping at straws, trying to make Riot look like the bad entity here just because you were unable to follow the simple rule of "don't be a jerk".

nautika2 votes

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BBB ratings are, quite frankly, worthless pieces of crap. Any good company knows that caring about their BBB rating will cause them more hassle than not. Plus, companies can virtually "buy" their BBB "certification" or rating just by "resolving" bad reviews (by throwing money at consumers in violation of their own policies).

Plus, if you look at all of Riot's "reviews" on the BBB, they're all bullshit that's based around the same reason as yours would be - "i got banned and don't like it". Why should Riot waste time responding to those when they'll never be resolved?

I am terribly sorry to be this blunt... but you're literally grasping at straws, trying to make Riot look like the bad entity here just because you were unable to follow the simple rule of "don't be a jerk".

It's very convenient to say that they've bought their rating. I'm sure all the companies that list their company as an A+ BBB company do so just because of an opinion. I'm sure the fact that these reviews are negatives indicates that they are not valid reviews. All restaurant reviews that are negative on grubhub must then, by your logic, must be invalid.

I mean, as one of the top gaming companies in the world, Blizzard didn't seem all too negatively impacted by BBB.

Chermorg6 votes

And as the largest game in the world, League/Riot doesn't seem too negatively impacted by BBB either.

It doesn't matter.

nautika2 votes

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And as the largest game in the world, League/Riot doesn't seem too negatively impacted by BBB either.

It doesn't matter.

You literally have provided no proof of that and twitch doesn't correlate that at all, to be more realistic the numbers show that League of Legends is about the size of Hearthstone lol

Chermorg4 votes

It's all in a simple Google search

League of Legends is consistently and has been since a couple years after release the largest video game in the world. It has consistently had the largest playerbase both daily and monthly. Hearthstone's official numbers don't even crack 50 million.

SavageConcordia4 votes

You spent all early game insulting your support for no reason. Do you think he doesn't realize when he makes a bad play? You pointing it out and harassing him isn't going to suddenly fix things, its just going to make him tilt harder. Then you brag about your KDA like it somehow is going to help you when you are 3/6/1. Your whole chat is spent insulting your teammates or making excuses for your own bad play. So I have a third option for you:

You deserve your ban.

nautika1 votes

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You spent all early game insulting your support for no reason. Do you think he doesn't realize when he makes a bad play? You pointing it out and harassing him isn't going to suddenly fix things, its just going to make him tilt harder. Then you brag about your KDA like it somehow is going to help you when you are 3/6/1. Your whole chat is spent insulting your teammates or making excuses for your own bad play. So I have a third option for you:

You deserve your ban.

That wasn't all game, it was a minute or so of statements, please stop exaggerating. If that constitutes flaming and/or harassment you have a lot in store for you as an adult. I made no excuses for my own play. You making fun of my KDA isn't any better, like are you serious lol.

I don't deserve my ban. You have zero evidence to support my deserving my ban. You have zero evidence to contrast someone who doesn't deserve a ban. You also have zero commentary about what my team said to be during the game to support them not deserving a penalty..

You are just stating I deserve a ban because you think so, based on nothing other than your own opinion. Quite probably because it bothers you - more than likely because you're the player that goes 0/20 and gets upset when someone asks you to stop feeding. I'd probably suggest you to grow some thicker skin, but you'd probably retort by calling me a big meanie.

Oh, look, how'd I know.

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You are the person who goes 0-20 and then gets mad and reports someone because they say youre feeding. Your average KDA is less than 2.0 across all champions, in fact you only have two champions above a 3.0, and one has 2 games played.

Thanks for that.

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serious question.

I mean, my post wasnt a personal attack, but since you like giving out personal attacks, i think it's pretty funny, all said and done.

SavageConcordia5 votes

lol btw how'd you hit gold with a borderline negative KDA all the way through silver?

Simple, I play to win, not to have a pretty stat line and I try to be a calming, positive presence for my team. I will climb further having a 1.67 KDA and 67% win rate Janna than you will with a 4.14 KDA and a 17% win rate Xayah. Note that despite my "boarderline negative KDA" I have a win rate that is almost twice as good as yours 35% to 50%. This isn't because I get lucky, it's I am willing to tank the enemy team to give my carries time to win games, I know how to position to soak up skill shots, I know what wards are and I don't point out my teammates mistakes, I do what I can to motivate them and keep their spirits up.

Also where are you pulling 0/20? The worst game I have played in any of my recent games was an Alistar game where I went 0/6/1 but that is what happens when you are a front line champ in a game where your team gets steamrolled. I average 5 deaths as a frontline support.

Final Spark Lux2 votes

Hey, I've edited a couple parts out of your post. People are just giving you their opinion on why you were banned and if they think you deserved it or not, which is literally the whole point of this sub-board. There's no reason to start passive-aggressively insulting or rank shaming other players here.

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ModPeriscope2 votes

Anyone can make those reviews. And if you look at the negative reviews, they all have a common theme of "I was punished for..." While it is bad to have that rating, I'm not sure what conclusion you can draw from it about Riot games. Were there any other game reviews, perhaps from published material that would supplement the BBB review?

nautika1 votes

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Anyone can make those reviews. And if you look at the negative reviews, they all have a common theme of "I was punished for..." While it is bad to have that rating, I'm not sure what conclusion you can draw from it about Riot games. Were there any other game reviews, perhaps from published material that would supplement the BBB review?

Yes and I've listed it twic eand mentioned it like three other times do you guys just not like my source material? lol?

ModPeriscope5 votes

You don't think there's a problem with a source with reviews populated mostly by people who've been punished?

Further, the rating is based off of 29 customer reviews, which hardly feels representative of the player base's actual opinion towards Riot Games.

nautika1 votes

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You don't think there's a problem with a source with reviews populated mostly by people who've been punished?

Further, the rating is based off of 29 customer reviews, which hardly feels representative of the player base's actual opinion towards Riot Games.

I think you have a problem comparing it with other gaming companies with similar reviews that have entirely different ratings =\

I also think you trying to say that Riot has a good reputation is kind of funny >.> But hey, that's the internet, I guess. I'm actually pretty shocked I've been able to have this whole free speech thing so far, though i'm sure it'll get taken down at some point.

Personally, I would've said Riot's reputation is atrocious. There's lots of love for the actual game itself, the mechanics and such, but the company behind it, no, not very much at all. I would say a loved company would be Blizzard, like I'd given as an example.

I would've said other companies that aren't very fawned over would've been EA or Activision. Of course I have no definitive proof of any of this it's merely my own opinion from what I've seen, and nor am I surprised that on a League of Legends forums there's a lot of League of Legends koolaid to be passed around.

By the way, I saw you post in another person's post with the same dismissive "Nah, you're banned" type of attitude, as though you had something to prove. What gives - did someone take the teddy bear away as a child? I mean, you are quick to say that I'm a toxic individual (as well as they) and deserve to be punished, but I'd take bets that person would rather have some drinks with me, than with you "why why why why why" or not.

I mean, you must be a 'riot' at parties, pun intended.

Honestly, do you really just log onto the forums to reinforce some white knight plateau of ethics insisted by the company of which you just play a video game for? It's like you're celebrating some forgotten lost cause when all you're doing is sticking out your tongue at people who have lost something lol.

ModPeriscope4 votes

I'm not disputing the rating, but I'm asking about why the rating is the way it is. It's not the first time I've seen the rating. What I'm getting at is, how well can you trust this information? Blizzard has an A+, sure, and Riot has an F. But how well does that represent their communities? And how does that grade make any sense, when there's a similar negative review rating (92% to 90% negative reviews, the former being Blizzard's).

I mean, you are quick to say that I'm a toxic individual

I'm not seeing where I called you toxic. All I've done is question your source with emphasis on the source's data. I'm not sure why you went with personal attacks when I haven't and don't do so.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

There's no need for personal attacks against people who are replying to your thread; especially people who are replying extremely politely and merely asking questions to obtain additional information to ensure that they have all the facts before forming an opinion. I've interacted with Periscope here on the Boards for quite a while, and he/she tends to be very level-headed. We don't always agree on matters, but I've never known him/her to simply chomp down on a particular stance the way a dog does a bone, and refuse to look at the situation rationally and objectively. There's nothing inherently wrong with him/her wishing to know that the facts are all from valid sources.

For example, to publish a Peer-Reviewed Sociological paper on the occurrence and effects of toxicity/banning in video games, you would have to have multiple populations, one of which would be players who do not find the games to be overly toxic, or who have not had severely negative experiences because of it, and players who have never been banned. It's actually the only way that you can run a statistical analysis to determine just how much of a negative impact toxicity, trolling, banning, etc. is having upon the players that ARE being toxic, trolling, and being banned.

So. I can see why he/she would ask a few more questions. That said, I applaud you for going so far as to actually look up the Better Business Bureau, and read about the company. It shows quite a bit of initiative, maturity, and rationality. Or at least it does as long as you don't devolve into the grammar school insults. Let's keep it to the topic at hand.

formerly VentressRedeemed

EvilDustMan2 votes

When was your 14 day ban?

nautika1 votes

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When was your 14 day ban?

I feel like you guys don't enjoy reading as much as you do responding. I answered the question before. I'm not at all sure how that's relevant. I played that account for months without receiving my first reported violation, though I do remember it vividly, and perhaps I was out of line at the time. The following two reports were just about as silly as this one, and I'm not sure if they were ever even read. They happened the same day, unbeknownst to me at the time. Two and a half weeks later I played, was reported one game (out of four? three? I'm not sure) and was banned permanently from the conversation (with apparently myself) that you saw in the original post.

EvilDustMan3 votes

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I feel like you guys don't enjoy reading as much as you do responding. I answered the question before.

I see it now. Any sort of toxicity so soon after a 14 day ban is going to trigger a punishment, that's why you got it over such a minor chat argument.

nautika1 votes

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I see it now. Any sort of toxicity so soon after a 14 day ban is going to trigger a punishment, that's why you got it over such a minor chat argument.

So if reported for just about anything, clearly, after a suspension and I'm permanently banned. That seems reasonable.

Give me reason to believe that this isn't the most comical form of mock government ever created. Do adults actually work at Riot? Is it that Liberal? I mean can you even apply Liberal ideology to what they're trying to accomplish?

Trying to fabricate that this sort of sentiment applies to the dealings of the actual world is kind of silly and somewhat moronic. These are not behaviors applied to any legal system in either North America or Europe so far as I know. None of the above text would apply to harassment in a conventional sense. It would simply be laughed out of a court room.

And yet here, surrounded by presumably individuals who don't know any better, you take this legislature at face value with no questioning whatsoever, and anyone who dictates anything else you deem a witch, by no better word.

EvilDustMan5 votes

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So if reported for just about anything, clearly, after a suspension and I'm permanently banned. That seems reasonable.

Give me reason to believe that this isn't the most comical form of mock government ever created. Do adults actually work at Riot? Is it that Liberal? I mean can you even apply Liberal ideology to what they're trying to accomplish?

Counter point, you had 3 punishments before, did you not figure that perhaps arguing in game got you punished?

nautika1 votes

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Counter point, you had 3 punishments before, did you not figure that perhaps arguing in game got you punished?

Counter point to said point, name me a team game/esport game to which conversation isn't required in a competitive environment, to include negative.

Unless you're implying that I should've added the Alistar after the game and we did a little rehashing/reviewing the game play post game post loss lol?

So your strategy is say nothing, hope for the best, and twiddle your fingers praying?

What is the point of any chatroom at all?

EvilDustMan4 votes

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Counter point to said point, name me a team game/esport game to which conversation isn't required in a competitive environment, to include negative.

This isn't conversation. This is you getting up in someone's grill for making what you believe to be a mistake, repeatedly. And you were on thin ice from the previous punishments. You didn't get here if you didn't have a history of toxicity.

nautika1 votes

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This isn't conversation. This is you getting up in someone's grill for making what you believe to be a mistake, repeatedly. And you were on thin ice from the previous punishments. You didn't get here if you didn't have a history of toxicity.

Okay well there was a conversation, I wasn't talking to myself. There was no repetition. The support int'ing on my team and I stated "why" five times". I asked him nicely to leave my lane and go roam, i'm not sure how that's harassment.

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