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Banned for asking the enemy to report my teammate?

Seadle··3 votes·1,108 views

Basically I was banned for 14 days, with my last punishment (chat restriction) being last month, for repeating what a teammate said and asking the enemy team to report him. Which I'm sure could lead to this happening since I had already been punished before and the instant feedback system saw keywords/phrases which I said in accordance to what I just stated. And I quote "plz report bard afk and griefing and ornn for toxicity he keeps tellin ori to kys". I understand how this could lead to the robotic ban hammer to smite my ass, and I will post the chat log I was sent in-game as proof if someone asks since I'm not sure how to do spoilers in this board. But, I'm just wondering is, is telling the enemy team to report one of my teammates harassment and warrants a ban? Is losing hope to win the game when you are done a considerable amount of gold bannable? Is repeating to the enemy team that one of my teammates has told another one of my teammates and myself to kill myself a bannable offense? [sg-lux-2]

EDIT: Step 1: Tell teammates to kys Step 2: Bait them into saying to report you Step 3: Report them for shaming you ????? Step 4: Profit and down votes from other salty banned people

EDIT 2:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code

Here is the Summoners Code, where in this did I break any rules? Further below is the Code of Conduct which ALL PLAYERS MUST FOLLOW.

5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior. The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures:

i. Impersonating any person, business or entity, including an employee of Riot Games, or communicating in any way that makes it appear that the communication originates from Riot Games;

ii. Posting identifying information about yourself or other users to the Website or within the Game;

iii. Harassing, stalking or threatening other users in the Game;

iv. Removing, altering or concealing any copyright, trademark, patent or other proprietary rights notice of Riot Games contained in the Website, the Game and/or the Software. You also may not transmit content that violates or infringes the rights of others, including patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, publicity, personal rights or other rights;

v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;

vi. Transmitting or facilitating the transmission of any content that contains a virus, corrupted data, trojan horse, bot keystroke logger, worm, time bomb, cancelbot or other computer programming routines that are intended to and/or actually damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or mine, scrape or expropriate any system, data or personal information;

vii. Spamming chat, whether for personal or commercial purposes, by disrupting the flow of conversation with repeated postings;

viii. Participating in any action which, in the sole and exclusive judgment of Riot Games, defrauds any other user of the Game, including by scamming or social engineering;

ix. Using any unauthorized third party programs, including mods, hacks, cheats, scripts, bots, trainers and automation programs that interact with the Software in any way, for any purpose, including any unauthorized third party programs that intercept, emulate, or redirect any communication between the Software and Riot Games and any unauthorized third party programs that collect information about the Game by reading areas of memory used by the Software to store information;

x. Accessing or attempting to access areas of the Game or Game servers that have not been made available to the public;

xi. Selecting a Summoner name that is falsely indicative of an association with Riot Games, contains personally identifying information, or that is offensive, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable. You may not use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent this restriction on Summoner name choices. Riot Games may modify any name which, in the sole and exclusive judgment of Riot Games, violates this provision, without notification to you, and may take further disciplinary measures, including account termination for repeated violations;

xii. Logging out or exiting the Game during live game-play. Riot Games’ automated Leaverbuster® system tracks this data over time and issues a temporary ban when a user is determine to have left mid-game too many times. The length of the temporary ban will increase over time if a particular account continues to leave live game play; or

xiii. Playing on another person’s account to “boost” that account’s status or rank.

Here is the CoC for League of Legends in the ToS Where does it say in the CoC that I CANNOT say "report X person for breaking the CoC"?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tell-someone-to-kill-themselves-and-you-could-end_us_5945800ce4b0940f84fe2f19

Here is a link to an article about a woman convicted of manslaughter for telling someone to kill themselves, I guess the person who commited suicide shoulda gotten banned.

25 Comments

Fedoran4 votes

The system detected the keyword “kys.” However it does state in the summoner’s code that you aren’t supposed to tell others to report people soooo...

Seadle3 votes

I actually didn't know that about the latter, thank you for the info/heads up.

EDIT: Where in the summoners code does it say that exactly? This is not mentioned in the CoC either. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code

Tahngarthor2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fedora Noodle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xXE8NXbp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-08T23:42:19.931+0000)

The system detected the keyword “kys.” However it does state in the summoner’s code that you aren’t supposed to tell others to report people soooo...

an automated system issuing bans for certain letters appearing in a chat message seems really quesitonable to me. Context is everything and you could conceivably do something like "hey guys, let's tell the baron to kys", which would be something not directed at any player but rather something in the game.

The fact that such a small slip could potentially deny you ranked rewards is absurd. Stuff like this needs to at least be looked at by a human before a ban is issued.

Seadle1 votes

Sadly yes, I doubt I'll get the gold+ rewards. A punishment issuing team would make things like this much better.

Just Jangle1 votes

{quoted}

Sadly yes, I doubt I'll get the gold+ rewards. A punishment issuing team would make things like this much better.

Glad, double REKT.

Chermorg3 votes

Saying it once is not harassment. Spending the whole game using the phrase (or a variation thereof) "please report x for y" is harassment and will get you punished. Your thoughts or feelings are not punishable - if you lose hope in the game fine. But you must not take that into the chat - chat is not for you to express your negative thoughts/feelings in.

Seadle2 votes

Here is the chat log I was sent in-game with the reform card, CHERMORG. Ultimately after the game I did report him, unfortunately enough, and ironically, I was banned in the end for it. I understand why the instant feedback system banned me, I've already submitted a ticket and whatnot, but they don't reduce the instant ban, bans, so I just have to wait I just wanted to some feedback on the questions I had. Things in parentheses to add context Seadle: i just opened a can Seadle: and you know how you ogtta lick the shit off the top (opened a can with a pop tab and licked the bottom side to get the fruit juice off) Seadle: i just cut my tongue Seadle: im joking fuck that (they are invading ping my flash) Seadle: bard Seadle: why did you stand there Seadle: my man Seadle: ugh Seadle: bard plz Seadle: gonna need help bot zac Seadle: im pretty fucked off that fb Seadle: he is afk Seadle: report my support plz Seadle: except i havent been afk in base for the last 2 minutes Seadle: bard why do you have to do this to me in my promos :( Seadle: Report Bard Seadle: open mid so we can end this Seadle: sry ori i cant do anything Seadle: except i do care but we cant win with this support or top Seadle: this bard literally afked for the first 6 minutes Seadle: � Seadle: just ff at 15 Seadle: we cant win Seadle: :\ Seadle: plz report bard afk and griefing and ornn for toxicity he keeps tellin ori to kys (this was after multiple times of ori/ornn arguing with eachother and calling each other cancer and whatnot and ornn telling ori to kys at least 5 times and eventually me) Seadle: rude Seadle: Lucky malz was there nid you would die Seadle: im done Seadle: orrn, bard Seadle: enjoy the reports Seadle: Please report ornn and bard Seadle: Nah toxicity Seadle: yes toxicity Seadle: telling someone to kys Seadle: enjoy the ban (irony)

Chermorg2 votes

Seadle: he is afk Seadle: report my support plz Seadle: except i havent been afk in base for the last 2 minutes Seadle: bard why do you have to do this to me in my promos :( Seadle: Report Bard Seadle: open mid so we can end this

You are using it as a form of harassment here - you're not just saying "report my support", you're trying to shame him. Further, you suggest intentionally feeding and giving up the game - not acceptable.

Seadle: sry ori i cant do anything Seadle: except i do care but we cant win with this support or top Seadle: this bard literally afked for the first 6 minutes Seadle: � Seadle: just ff at 15 Seadle: we cant win Seadle: :
Seadle: plz report bard afk and griefing and ornn for toxicity he keeps tellin ori to kys

You claim to care, but it's obvious by this point you've given up and you want your team to do the same. When you queue up for a game, you're saying "I'm gonna play until the end". Trying to convince/force a surrender is not in the spirit of that rule. Furthermore, you continued to harass your teammate asking for reports.

Seadle: orrn, bard Seadle: enjoy the reports Seadle: Please report ornn and bard Seadle: Nah toxicity Seadle: yes toxicity Seadle: telling someone to kys Seadle: enjoy the ban (irony)

Again, you're spending a lot of time talking about behavior and not about the game. The in game chat is designed primarily for in-game strategy, not for talking about behavior/other forms of banter. If you can banter in a positive way, feel free - but if you can't resist the urge to harass/be negative in chat, don't use it for anything other than important game strategy.

All in all, you were overly negative in this chat, and given you had a punishment about a month ago it is not out of the question for this to escalate you even further to a 14 day ban. It is possible to go down in punishment level, but only after showing consistent good play over months, not weeks.

Seadle1 votes

Letting them push up through mid and allowing them to end the game doesn't mean intentionally feeding, yes I did care, and I had given up, despite that I continued to farm and attempt picks onto their team when they were out of position and tried to be proactive on the map, I said ff at 15 around the 10 minute mark and at that point we were down 8-10 kills with both solo lanes and jungle calling for surrender, so it was certainly not me wanting my team to do the same, but 4/5 of the team wanting that with multiple failed 4/1 surrender votes pre20 minutes. I'm not sure that I understand that saying report someone for being AFK is a form of shaming?

EDIT: On the question there about not sure how it is a form of shaming, if I go AFK then someone says "report seadle for being AFK" its a form of harassment and "shaming" and so by that I'm technically about to report them?

EDIT 2: Our midlaner, jungler, and top laner, had also already given up and wanted the game to end as well we still tried, but it was fruitless.

Chermorg1 votes

Opening mid is certainly considered a form of intentional feeding - you are intentionally throwing the game and making the experience less fun for the enemy team. That being said, it doesn't matter if it's inting or not as it was certainly a negative attitude.

It only takes one report to review the game, so continually asking for reports is harassment. Further, generally speaking, everyone in the game can see if someone's afk, feeding, trolling, etc. There's no need to point it out unless you're trying to shame them.

Seadle1 votes

Yet the game wasn't intentionally lost, we defended and attempted to stop them, . Actually, not everyone can see if someone is AFK, feeding, trolling because maybe they are just having a bad game for the second two? If someone asks you "Why would I report X?" and you respond "Because X is AFK", the enemy is unable to see into our base without vision/being in our base so stating that he was AFK was not shaming, simply responding to the question. If pointing something out is shaming then by that logic saying you are an arbiter on the forums is shaming you and as such I'm harassing you... This clearly isn't the case.

Here is the dictionary definition of shaming as a verb

  1. to cause to feel shame; make ashamed:

  2. To publicly humiliate or shame for being or doing something specified (usually used in combination): kids who've been fat-shamed and bullied;

  3. To drive, force, etc., through shame:

  4. To cover with ignominy or reproach; disgrace

If saying someone on my team is AFK, which is a reportable offense, I should be able to request a report from the enemy team/my team through the chat feature which was made for the purpose of communication; such that I should communicate that we are at a disadvantage as a team and as a bot lane, which would make us 4v5 and 1v2. That is as you said

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Again, you're spending a lot of time talking about behavior and not about the game. The in game chat is designed primarily for in-game strategy, not for talking about behavior/other forms of banter. If you can banter in a positive way, feel free - but if you can't resist the urge to harass/be negative in chat, don't use it for anything other than important game strategy.

How is someone on my team giving us a blatant disadvantage not talking about the game and discussing important in-game strategy that we would have to work around? Which being down a member in the laning phase as a scaling champion is OBVIOUSLY important to the outcome of the game.

Chermorg1 votes

Because you discussing their disadvantage isn't helping you win the game. In game strategy is things such as "i think they are pushing for a baron" - "they are pushing bot and probably will try drag next", etc. Not "omg he afk" or "report him for inting". Neither of those do anything to help you win the game.

I feel that there's nothing more I can add to this.. You don't have to agree with it but that's Riot's view on report calling (which is unnecessary) and harassment/shaming, and quite frankly it's my view too. I don't play League to watch who can spam "report so and so omg so and so is doing this thing" the most - I play to have a good, positive environment, which your chat logs did not help the people in your game do.

Seadle1 votes

Where in my argument did I say I don't agree with Riot's view on it? Please do not try to straw man this.

It's not their disadvantage, I had to deal with the same circumstances as everyone else. Because clearly I said "omg he afk", not true, I stated we were at a disadvantage and that the odds of winning the game were already slim from what the enemy team was doing around the map and that we should forfeit the match; something the other members of my team had already agreed upon and if someone is already inting in a game more than not your team has already given up because of the amount of gold given over to the enemy team. I gave you the dictionary definition and you still say what I did is shaming, which it's not I can give you give you an endless amount of examples of shaming another person, this is not it. This is shaming: “You were a mistake” "We are disappointed in you" "SHAME on you" <--- These are ALL examples of shaming. I also play League to enjoy a positive environment, I cannot enjoy such environment when I am getting told to kill myself and my support AFKs forcing me to 1v2 in lane as Vayne and get banned for saying "report X player". Look at this with any ounce of logic and you can clearly see who is in the wrong and who is not.

ModDaenrysTargaryen2 votes

NEVER repeat what someone says. here is how it works saying KYS and getting reported no matter even if you said "my teammate said kys to me please report him" will still get you banned because the Bot that looks at the messages sees KYS and issues the ban IMMEDIATELY

also you do not need more then 1 report for a game to become flagged, so just report him knowing he will get an instant 14 day ban.

dBkPhDonald2 votes

Deserved. Literally no reason to ask for bans other than to tilt peolple. get rekt

Seadle1 votes

Where did I ask for it someone to be banned? I just said enjoy [in the case you do get banned] it and so if I get into a game with you and tell you to kill yourself the entire game you'll be okay with it and wouldn't want your teammates to report him?

Just Jangle1 votes

Get rekt.

Seadle3 votes

Thank you for the condolences.

Grimspeake1 votes

The best way to use chat is just to say 1-3 things and leave it at that. Even if they are trolling then by all means give them even less attention. Just say report so and so for troll then leave it alone. The only people who get banned or chat restricted are the people who type all game

Seadle1 votes

Excellent I'm within the 1-3 range and gave valid reasoning behind why the reports should be issued. Except I'm banned. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

I must've messed up somewhere between step 1 and 2.

Silent Gravity1 votes

Asking for people to report someone, typing that you're going to report someone, or publicly accusing someone of a punishable offense is threatening their account. All threats are considered negative and punishable by the IFS.

In those situations, you're supposed to report them yourself. 1 report does absolutely everything that 15 billion reports does.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-20T20:50:23.340+0000)

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

As you can see, any number of reports is a simple boolean flag that tells the system to review the game.

Seadle1 votes

I see worse things on twitch than what I did which was just asking for reports for someone who was AFKing and someone who told me to end my life and I get punished for it. There are differences between accusations and actually committing the crime. If someone were to tell someone in real life to kill themselves in todays society they could face criminal charges due to harassment/other things and if something were to happen to the recipient then even worse things could happen to both parties. Knowing that just a single report would facilitate the same response from the IFS I probably would've said the exact same things minus the report part. That's exactly why cases like this should be handled manually by a competent team of Riots instead of an ai. If a team of humans looked at this case some logic could be added.

Seadle1 votes

If I see a murder happening and I decide to call the police, are the police going to arrest me for shaming/harassing the murderer? :thinking:

Silent Gravity1 votes

We're not the police in this analogy.

The police is Riot. Report the players after the game or create a support ticket to call them.

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