When your team troll picks, Dodge or lose?

RustyReformed·Jul 26, 2017·3 votes·2,620 views

What do you do when your team troll picks a teemo mid(in a meta full of mid assassin/burst that would destroy a teemo) You don't have unlimited dodges, why should a player have to suffer a wait time because their team wants to troll pick, I understand an issue would be(forcing the meta) but where is the line drawn between off meta picks and troll picks? and why should the person who dodges suffer vs the person who troll picks in the first place? I understand different things are stronger and better picks in different elo's. But i mean really when you have a braum, soraka botlane going healer/tank. they are obviously going to lose lane vs an actual adc/sup lane. My point is i dont want to suffer que time dodges because of troll picks but i also dont want to sit through a 20 mins game of troll either. Someone help im lost on what i should do

26 Comments

AlienPrimateJul 26, 20177 votes

You are going to be dodging a lot if you think Teemo mid is troll.

RustyReformedJul 26, 20171 votes

that was just my first example. What do you think of bruam.raka botlane going healer/tank is that troll?

ModWulf HelhammerJul 26, 20172 votes

Wouldn't be the first time I've seen something that seems bad actually work out.

ZelorxonJul 26, 20171 votes

In that case, dodge, losing 3 lp is way better than losing more. If it's a promo, well, say thank you to riot, just grind it up and do the promos again.

ChermorgJul 26, 20171 votes

I've gone ADC soraka bot lane with an average 70% winrate across accounts.

It's honestly really easy to win with. It also probably meets your definition of "troll pick".

KawaiiShroomJul 26, 20172 votes

That could still work since the raka can still build ad. I think troll picks are not off meta picks, they are picks that are not possible to play in a role. For example le blanc jungle she doesn't have the jungle clear or the sustain to survive. 2 melee bot lane will get wrecked by the ranged adc.

Kei143Jul 26, 20172 votes

surely you haven't seen a morde x taric bot lane.

KawaiiShroomJul 26, 20172 votes

I was thinking more along the lines of tryndamere X malphite

Kei143Jul 26, 20172 votes

i can see that working, they just need to learn to CS under turret. Malphite probably needs to run AP / mana regen to poke the enemy a bit and give tryd some safety when he's CSing.

then lvl 6 all in and win game.

Kei143Jul 26, 20175 votes

at your ELO, everything works. All the META BS really doesn't matter. One with the better game knowledge will do better in lane.

Alluring GraceApr 19, 20181 votes

Not really, I notice even when my team picks "good" (picking enough tanks eg. nautilus top, malphite support, me jax jg /frontline, leblanc mid, varus adc) the enemy team responds and picks a bunch of tanks too (but with damage potential)-so then they pick chogath top, mundo jg, yasuo mid, trist adc, leona supp. Essentially I always get queued up with enemies that try to be "smart". This is even just in low silver I experience comp matters. Everything does not work. The flaw to your point is that the people doing random picks do not have the mechanics, skill, or game knowledge to troll pick. They just pick what they "feel" like picking. And feed their lane.

Alluring GraceApr 19, 20181 votes

People at low elo need to just pick what works and stop trying to be "creative". Accept that you are lacking in mechanics, skill, and game knowledge and play simpler champs. But of course I have nothing against people who put in the time and actually learn the champs that a "hard" (go to practice tool, really understand every part of the abilities description (be able to piece together how you can use them),... etc)

Kei143Apr 19, 20181 votes

The first requirement for my post to be true is to have superior game knowledge over your opponent.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

MagicFlyingLlamaJul 26, 20172 votes

Maybe just make an effort instead of writing off anything that is not FOTM meta as trolling.

TheDonarJul 27, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Maybe just make an effort instead of writing off anything that is not FOTM meta as trolling.

THIS. I wish I could upvote twice. People watch Faker's stream a few times and think what he and his teammates do is 'normal' for low Silver/High Bronze players.

Umbra ZJul 26, 20171 votes

i'd dodge in that situation every time tbh, dodging is really not as bad as its punished for.

McsquzzyJul 26, 20171 votes

if its ranked and my team is already raging in champ select, i will dodge, 3 lp vs 17-22 lp loss is a no brainer for me

MaropaL2Jul 26, 20171 votes

The new System is like: Forced to stay in the Game unless you want to loose your Key Frags and Chests

-Game lost within 5min, forced to stay another 45min-

KawaiiShroomJul 26, 20171 votes

catch 22

TheDesoIationJul 26, 20171 votes

Just dodge it's -3LP and 5 minutes

zPOOPzJul 26, 20171 votes

It depends on how the champ select goes. It no one complain and the guy who picked teemo mid didn't give any hint he will troll or say anything, I'd probably play it out.

Telephone BoothJul 26, 20171 votes

It's tough but just play it out. There's always a chance the other team will have a troll, or afk. Or with the skill disparity that happens in bronze and silver, your team could just grossly outplay the other team. Maybe your mid carry will get fed and carry your 1 troll pick. Also, just because you consider it a troll pick, doesn't mean they are gonna purposely lose or int feed. They might try to win, which still gives you a chance in low ELO, regardless of the team comp.

PotatoMunchrrJul 27, 20171 votes

I just had the same problem but teemo bot lane he proceeds to troll and feed and blames me for everything

SuicideAllJul 27, 20171 votes

Dodge penalty is too much. The entire point of dodging is to avoid 20+ minutes of trolling. It's a misdemeanor crime with good intentions. There should never be a severe penalty.

AeszarckJul 27, 20171 votes

Call me crazy, but I don't think Teemo mid is that bad.

Now, as for your question, I wouldn't dodge, even if I felt certain someone was going to troll. I use the policy "Don't negotiate with terrorists" and replace "terrorists" with "trolls." For one thing, the only way they're going to get punished is if I play the match out with them and report them at the end, and for another thing, if I dodge, then I'm showing the trolls that they have power. If trolls start meeting lobbies of four people who refuse to dodge and say that they're reporting the troll at the end unless he or she plays legitimately, then I think instances of trolling would go down, because their "victims" are taking an active stance. If people just dodge at the sight of trolls, then the trolls just get a free dodge, and more importantly, they see that their trolling has an effect, which just encourages them to troll further.

HalcyonDwellerApr 19, 20181 votes

Opponents would have no reason to counter-pick the teemo unless your team had already locked in a top-laner that also doesn't seem like they could go mid.

And Teemo can sometimes handle assassins if he abuses them early and uses his Q for when they dive onto him. After lvl 6 he can use defensive shrooms to make diving him a terrible idea.

I don't like teemo but he's certainly viable mid.