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New Form of Chat Filter to STOP Toxicity

SpagootGG··4 votes·1,825 views

THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A POOR IDEA PLEASE ADD IDEAS IN THE COMMENTS INSTEAD OF A DOWNVOTE, RUDE DECONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT AND A MIDDLE FINGER.

As a fairly toxic person in game and out i have trouble stopping my self from ripping people a new one so when last week i got a 2 week ban and my brother perma banned i started thinking of a way that maybe we could stop toxicity without shutting down accounts forever so i went to the 'drawing board' and came out with this

When someone is toxic riot hands out punishments like chat bans and 2 week bans as warnings but an idea i have is instead of next step being a permanent ban or even just have it as an option for everyone is when you go to curse someone out like you gank top as jungle and ur laner gets greedy tower dives and dies so i and most peoples response would be "what the **** were you thinking" but with this new means of the filter when you hit enter the entire message would be deleted and you get a message like "You're last attempted chat entry contained language not permitted on the summoners rift" and dont worry with it being labeled as taking away freedom of speech chat ban already does it

Last little point i want to bring up just out of confusion is why can we not say anything we want without punishment in a 13+ game? Like i get the report system for like actual trolls but reporting someone in a 13+ game for "being a meenie" has me mind boggled

Anyway please consider or atleast acknowledge this form of chat filter and let me remind everybody commenting this is an OPTION and eventually if toxic with this off a PUNISHMENT, sorry for attempting to help the community

35 Comments

Kitty Cat Tosha4 votes

It is a 13+ game. So you are expected to show SOME semblance of maturity. That means not lashing out at your fellow players like a child throwing a tantrum every time something goes wrong.

AS for the chat filter: it would be too complicated. Especially on a multi-language community. "What the fuck are you doing" would be filtered, but "fuck, I messed up" is totally fine. Also, some words are curse words in one language and perfectly fine in another. For example: I have seen "lul" used instead of "lol", when in dutch a "lul" is another word for penis. How will you filter something like that?

If you cannot stop yourself from lashing out, try unbinding your enter key.

SpagootGG1 votes

Not complicated in the slightest as 80% of games that dont like cursing have cursing in every language blocked also i was saying an example and also its an option and then at some point a forced punishment with my idea and they would only BE blocking curse words penis is not... just trying to help the community but i see your enjoying shooting it down

TequilaZombie2 votes

The problem is not curse words. It's the context words are put. How do you propose any company creates a game that can differ between:

"I hope you die"/"Be careful or you will die" "I wish your father would have injected your mother with poison during pregnancy so you would never been born"/"Don't stand on the poison, he's baiting you" "I wish everything you ever loved was set ablaze in front of your eyes"/"Stay away from people that Brand set ablaze"

It's almost impossible to detect this kind of stuff with a computer. That would require sentient beings to detect.

Fuck and Shit are not the main problem when it comes to toxicity.

Im Virtual1 votes

So you're telling me that humans do not feel emotion and there are no people who have disorders in their brain that makes it difficult to control those emotions?

Kitty Cat Tosha5 votes

If you have anger management problems - then maybe a stressful, competitive online teamgame is the last place you want to go. There is no shame in admitting you simply cannot handle certain situations (yet), on the contrary, it shows maturity.

Im Virtual1 votes

But as aforementioned by many players interviewed some people use this game as an escape from the outside world where maybe their life isn't the greatest and it's not simply anger management anxiety and depression can affect the way you react to certain situations and the way you can control your emotions

Kitty Cat Tosha3 votes

Aye, but League is not the only game in the world you can use as an escape. If I feel extremely pissed off at something, I won't even open the League client, because I know I would not be able to handle the game at that moment. Besides, if I am already on edge, I dont want to play something that is likely to push me over that edge. So I go play something else. It is a matter of learning yourself and your limitations - AND be mature enough to deal with (or work around) those limits.

DrCyanide1 votes

There are plenty of games you can use for the same purpose.

My wife has anxiety and depression, and quite the anger management issues when playing League. She managed to keep what she typed under control, although her computer desk and mouse have taken quite a beating. She realized League wasn't a good fit for her without being punished, and stepped away from it. She's been playing more sandbox games as a result, lately taking to No Man's Sky like a fish to water.

Naenia1 votes

This! And the funny thing is, it's OK if they are the ones flaming but when someone flames at them, they don't like it and get pissed off.

Naenia1 votes

Very well said! I was going to make exactly these same points. In addition to what you said, people could always censor their words in a way that the system might not catch it but any human would know what they're saying. For example, "f**k you" or "you play like $h!t" or something like that. It's good that OP is thinking of ways to try to limit toxicity in this game, but I don't think this idea would work out.

Zombiemaster4 votes

dont worry with it being labeled as taking away freedom of speech chat ban already does it

I just want to point out that chat restrictions does affect your Freedom of Speech at all. Freedom of Speech only prevents the government from censoring/punishing you for what you say, and even then it has its limits, but it does not apply whatsoever to private entities like Riot Games.

SpagootGG1 votes

Thanks for your imput with multiple inaccuracies but i am just trying to help thr community out and anyone out that cant controll them selves like anyone with anxiety has the emotion well up then freak like my self, and my brother who has intermittant explosive disorder cant help that but what can? My idea that is in its early stage of ideas and instead of shutting me down how about positivity like im trying to bring to league. Have a good day

Zombiemaster1 votes

What about my statement was inaccurate? You stated that chat bans was taking away your Freedom of Speech, and I stated that was completely false. Now I guess I could be incorrect about what you were talking about, I just assumed you were talking about the Freedom of Speech granted to us by the first amendment. If you were talking about that, then what I said was true. The Freedom of Speech granted to us by the First Amendment does not apply here in any way, shape, or form as it only protects us from the government, which Riot Games is not.

Also, in no way did I shut your idea down in my post. I simply stated a fact that proved a small portion of your post incorrect.

DrCyanide2 votes

Swearing in and of itself is fine, the problem is the context. "**** I messed up that play" is OK, while "**** you, you suck" isn't

I could get a chat restriction without ever swearing. "You're terrible. Why do you even play this game? Just uninstall now and leave us 4v5, we're better without you." and similar would get me a chat restriction pretty fast.

I guess I look at a 13+ rating a different way than you. I see that rating and think we shouldn't behave like angry children who just learned a new word or phrase to say when we're mad. I expect my teammates to act like adults, focusing on the game and how to win, rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and devolving into a state where they sling insults at one another.

SpagootGG1 votes

If you actually read my article you would realise i say its an OPTION and eventually A PUNISHMENT

DrCyanide4 votes

Yeah, but it's a miss-directed option. It teaches people that swearing is the problem, when it's really not.

SpagootGG1 votes

I dont see you trying to address an issue you clearly have an issue with remember this is a fucking idea something i came up with to try and HELP people with theyre toxicity because some people cant controll it and most people only curse in game when angry as far as ive seen in my 5 years of playing the game but what would i know

Kitty Cat Tosha2 votes

You can control it, but it takes effort and self control. The only people who genuinly CAN'T control rage are people with anger management issues - and they have bigger things to worry about than losing a gaming account.

SpagootGG1 votes

Its not about control at all, i cant control my anxiety that is the root of my toxicity my brother with bi-polar disorder and intermittant explosive disorder cant just look at him self in the middle of an anger/rage moment and say hey i need to calm down thats just not possible thats just not a thing please try and be constructive with this early idea instead of tearing me down im just trying to bting positivity into this gane have a good day

Kitty Cat Tosha2 votes

I suffer from an anxiety disorder as well, so do not assume I do not know a thing or two about the effects of psychological issues on behaviour. But - like I said to your brother - it is not a shame to admit that league is simply too much for you to handle right now.

I did try to be constructive. Your idea had several loopholes that you had not yet taken into account, which I pointed out. Instead of you trying to dismiss my criticism as "me trying to tear you down", you could try to think about the things I said and use them to make your idea better.

DrCyanide2 votes

Easy! I'm just pointing out a flaw with the idea and your understanding of how the system works. No need to get upset over it.

Honestly, I'm kinda impressed it wasn't another "don't let me say anything ever" thread. The notification and blocking the text sounded OK, it's just not as simple as keying off of and blocking swear words. If it was to work, then Riot would probably need to install a copy of their language processing system into the game itself, which would make the game file larger and take up more resources while playing (not ideal for players on lower-end machines).

Personally, I feel like the solution to the issue lies outside the game. I don't believe anyone can't control it (I think higher of them than that), but it is harder for some people than for others and it's going to take practice for them to get it under control. It may be that they need to vent a different way (saying things out-loud rather than typing them). Maybe they need to practice taking a step back and re-focusing on what they can do, rather than focusing on what another player is doing or saying.

For some, League might not be the best fit. My wife's actually taking a prolonged break because of how angry the game makes her on a regular basis, despite never getting so much as a chat restriction. A game is suppose to be fun and enjoyable, if you're regularly getting extremely upset and angry over the game or the people you're playing with then it might be good to re-evaluate if it's a game you want to play.

SpagootGG1 votes

Thank you for being constructive actually means alot to me but some cannot help them selves at times mental health is a real bitch i have taken prolonged breaks from the game, i just hate seeing that people cant play the game if they want to anyway have fun on the game, it is a game after all

Im Virtual2 votes

I am the aforementioned brother who's account that had over 1000 hours of gameplay and 400 dollars on it and I am going to have to concur it is a 13+ game are people really that sensitive I mean I understand telling someone to get cancer or kill themselves is very aggressive but I don't think you cans judge every one on the same scale some people have mental illnesses that cause them to react differently to certain situations for example someone with intermittent explosive disorder would react differently to someone doing something stupid then a Normal person aswell I can understand being perma banned for afking a bunch of times or intentionally feeding frequently but talking smack in a video game and answer me this riot how come you un perma banned Jensen (mid laner for c9) and also have never banned meteos as he is one of the most toxic players on the rift and has said somethings that I got perma banned for and he has received no punishment? You are clearly showing us that pro players deserve special treatment and on top of that you unbanned Jensen after he was one of the most toxic players ever and ddosed people on a regular basis and you unbanned him because a pro team wanted him to play for them? That is unfair for the rest of us riot why don't you think on this

DrCyanide1 votes

They didn't un-permaban Jensen, they lifted his lifetime ban. He never got the banned accounts back. My understanding is that Meteos is toxic out-loud, not as much in chat (never watched his stream). You can say whatever you want out-loud too and Riot won't ban you for that either.

Generally speaking, LCS Players are held to a higher standard than you or me. They get hit with fines, benched for weeks, and can get kicked out of their job if they act in a way that Riot doesn't see fit.

Zombiemaster2 votes

After being extremely toxic and DDOSing other players, Jensen was indefinitely banned from League of Legends. This is the same treatment the Tyler1 received. He had all of his accounts permanently banned and any new accounts that Riot could tie to him would be instantly banned as well. However, after working with Riot and showing that he has improved (how he did this I'm unsure as that is between him and Riot), Riot lifted his indefinite ban from League. However, he DID NOT get any of his permanently banned accounts back, just like you won't. He had to start over from a fresh, brand new account.

You, as well as any other player who has been permanently banned, are actually receiving a better treatment than this. Just like Jensen, you got your account permanently banned and will not get it back. However, unlike Jensen, Riot is not going to permanently ban any account they can tie to you; you can make a new account whenever you like. Riot does not give pro players special treatment when it comes to punishment. They actually receive harsher punishments than you or me, as they can be fined as well as be prevented from playing professionally, which is their job, so that can cost them some more money.

Jo0o2 votes

I don't get the struggle for control that you and others seem to have in this game. Why do you need a program to catch you before you say something you'll regret? Do you have this problem in the real world, too?

I'm not some sort of zen master bastion of maturity over here, but I find it really easy to simply sit back and not be toxic.

TequilaZombie3 votes

I tilt in almost every game. It's one of the reason I don't use Curse or Skype. I scream, I curse like a drunken sailor and I'm overly toxic. I just know how to not type that and press Enter.

It's not that hard.

Jo0o1 votes

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I tilt in almost every game. It's one of the reason I don't use Curse or Skype. I scream, I curse like a drunken sailor and I'm overly toxic. I just know how to not type that and press Enter.

It's not that hard.

Exactly! Shit, I'm not immune to getting upset with somebody, but hell if I'm going to open myself up to punishment or tilt my teammates by picking an internet battle over it for whatever fleeting gratification that offers.

SpagootGG1 votes

yeah i have the problem in real world there is no disconnect what a fucking stupid question

Jo0o1 votes

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yeah i have the problem in real world there is no disconnect what a fucking stupid question

It's not a stupid question, most adults find it easy to avoid screaming obscenities at random people.

If you can't, either in League or in the real world, it's on YOU to fix. I have multiple friends and family that are bipolar, depressed, have anxiety problems, or any number of other issues, but they've all figured out how to fit in with society without an artificial filter being bestowed onto them. Medicate, meditate, get therapy, or take other steps to fix your problem. But you simply aren't going to get a program to "fix" you without taking on any responsibility on your end.

Friendly Ram2 votes

I believe it's your responsibility to monitor your own language. This could work as an intermediate tier to highly unsportsmanlike players and as a sorta grace period after your suspension runs out but i don't believe it's a solution. No need to be sad about helping, its an idea and those are always welcome.

Kei1431 votes

it's not the curse words that get you banned mate.

tacofacefart1 votes

honestly, riot has to admit at some point that plays who play toxic and don't say anything are still being toxic.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Lol u went to the drawing board to figure out a way not to get banned? Maybe just stop being an asshole?

SpagootGG1 votes

Only people more toxic than my brother in chat are all these assholes commenting, holy fuck

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