Riot is a joke

Livebait·Jan 16, 2017·2 votes·551 views

I know Riot will do nothing about this, I was just suspended for 14 days due to 2 games where I had trolls... I wasnt toxic and they literally trolled or fed. RIot's system is a joke. You encourage this toxicity by not dealing with people who intentionally feed/troll. 1 of the games the person literally said he was trolling and screwing over our game. The 3rd game was literally a sivir running and tping down middle feeding. I am not pretending I am the best person as far as my conduct... But you rather someone doesn't type something and ruin the game for 4 people then 1 person "hurt someones feelings" of which they could completely ignore anyways and not even see my chat. It is no wonder riot has one of the worst rated communities ever. Well im sure this will get me perma-banned because it will "offend riot". Which is fine it will just further prove my point. Perhaps make another account and just run it up mid and feed and then report people who complain because I feed so riot will ban them too. I posted my actual chat logs in the discussion below.

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiJan 16, 20174 votes

While those other players may have been a problem, all you did was exacerbate the situation by antagonizing them constantly. Their behavior does not excuse your own; instead of retaliating and making it worse, simply mute them and report at the end of the match. You don't need to ask others to report them, either; that is considered harassment and is a punishable offense. It only takes 1 report to flag their match for review, so just do it silently.

A 14 day ban is the 3rd step in the 4 tiers of punishment, so this is likely not the first time you've been warned about this kind of behavior. The next punishment tier is a permaban, so I recommend making an effort to refrain from retaliating against toxicity with more toxicity so you don't get that far.

LivebaitJan 16, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xNKkJnme,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-16T09:55:28.920+0000)

While those other players may have been a problem, all you did was exacerbate the situation by antagonizing them constantly. Their behavior does not excuse your own; instead of retaliating and making it worse, simply mute them and report at the end of the match. You don't need to ask others to report them, either; that is considered harassment and is a punishable offense. It only takes 1 report to flag their match for review, so just do it silently.

A 14 day ban is the 3rd step in the 4 tiers of punishment, so this is likely not the first time you've been warned about this kind of behavior. The next punishment tier is a permaban, so I recommend making an effort to refrain from retaliating against toxicity with more toxicity so you don't get that far.

So what your saying is there is a feature built into the game to deal with toxic players "Mute" but those trolls who intentionally feed/grief there is no in game feature or punishment for them. That makes perfect sense. While They could "Mute" me if I'm so toxic they can continue to feed. I may just have to make an account and run it up mid and watch all the people get banned for saying anything to me.. Since you are saying thats the appropriate response.

AzureDragoonJan 16, 20173 votes

See, the attitude you're displaying, is exactly why you got punished in the first place. No one is saying "trolling is ok", but you. We're telling you "Regardless of the other player, don't make a situation worse". And you are twisting it into "They're saying trolling is ok".

We're saying "even if someone is actually trolling, don't become just as annoying as the troll, don't call for open lanes, don't get into an all match long fight with them. " I mean, seriously, what's the logic behind "I'm upset that they're intentionally trying to throw the match! So I'm going to one up them by intentionally throwing the match before they can throw the match! That'll show'em!"?

LivebaitJan 16, 20171 votes

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See, the attitude you're displaying, is exactly why you got punished in the first place. No one is saying "trolling is ok", but you. We're telling you "Regardless of the other player, don't make a situation worse". And you are twisting it into "They're saying trolling is ok".

No, we're saying "even if someone is actually trolling, don't become just as annoying as the troll, don't call for open lanes, don't get into an all match long fight with them. " I mean, seriously, what's the logic behind "I'm upset that they're intentionally trying to throw the match! So I'm going to one up them by intentionally throwing the match before they can throw the match! That'll show'em!"?

Its not inteionally throwing the match he had fed 4 kills to mid lane before i asked for open... so by 2 minutes in with mid lane getting 4 free kills and more to come Id rather get into a serious game. I play ranked to win yes it is a game but in its competitive form its a sport. Do you think other sports players would take kindly to say the quarterback just handing over the football to defense everytime? what do you think they would do if their only option was forfeit or keep playing with this same quarterback...I am so sick of people saying its a game just have fun. In real sports there are rules to intentionally throwing a game... Riot does not enforce those. You think anyone is gonna give them slack because they get pissed when a teammate purposely throws a game? No, Its not as if im cyber bullying calling them out as an individual. im complaining because they are trolling. While i literally see posts from people all the time where people make threats and racist remarks and don't get banned.

AzureDragoonJan 16, 20171 votes

You keep going on these non-sequitur statements to keep trying to deflect from your own behavior.

You are judged based solely on your behavior. If your "solution" to a troll, is to annoy your team mates even more by acting completely obnoxiously, and demand they all give up their lanes, you have become part of the problem.

LivebaitJan 16, 20171 votes

I just wanted to post my chat logs... which i don't even feel are that toxic to begin with compared to half the stuff i watch people say. Now in these games for reference points, which is something this retarded automated system does not take into account. Game 1 i was support malz and ziggs was mad jhin banned his darius so he went bot fed and tried to steal all his farm. Game 2, I was a little toxic team was unecessarily dying not gonna over defend this game, Game 3 Sivir literally started off the game running mid feeding a kill to cass then tp'ed back and did it again continued to do it and team called open bot, I complained that a few of them started defending after they called open bot. Here is the complete logs I'd like the community to point out where i was "So Toxic". Perhaps the introspection will help me in future games If i can agree.

Game 1 Livebait: you guys want me to go top or what? Livebait: since this troll is gonna/feed fuck up bot Livebait: yes your the troll Livebait: sure he banned your champ you could have dodged you could have picked someone else Livebait: what would you have done if they banned darius? Livebait: so you are trolling Livebait: its clear it will be reported and you will get ranked ban Livebait: flash mid Livebait: wanna just open mid with him int feeding we cant win Livebait: lol Livebait: i even saw the clone and tried to back off Livebait: i didnt want to top im supposed to be support but our ziggs is trolling Livebait: too late now im too low Livebait: no flash top Livebait: not that our jungler hjas made any attempt to come up here even though i got put in a bad situation Livebait: and i have 100% lockdown ult almost ensuring a free kiill Livebait: wow guess im not reporting you ziggs Livebait: since these guys want to assume its a real game and drag it out you get away with it Livebait: ya but you also ruined my game Livebait: and 3 other people Livebait: no you did ziggs Livebait: IT DOESNT MATTER Livebait: maybe he didnt see the declare maybe the enemy team bans it... you fuckin troll costing 3 other people who had nothing to do wi Livebait: just so you can "ruin" jhins game well its not his game Livebait: its a team game Livebait: and you shouldnt be playing ranked Livebait: Im sorry your mother never taught you 2 wrongs dont make a right Livebait: pls report ziggs for trolling btw... he raged cause darius got banned by own teammate so he purposely trolling Livebait: glad you put that in the chat saying you troll/grief oftewn Livebait: wow lee Livebait: he didnt een dodge Game 2 Livebait: well gl lanes Livebait: wow i pinged him in brush and you walke forward this iis def a loss Livebait: died 1v1 to lulu.. Livebait: im still surprised how you guys chose to go riiver.. Livebait: mid solo death without gank... Livebait: you havent been ganked by gravers your losn on your own Livebait: most mids espeecially ones playing lux know how to wave clear Livebait: but that 41 to 83 cs shows you dont know how to mid Livebait: no i was aable to call this loss from you at your ban... i knew how your play was gonna go Livebait: no helping bad... Livebait: you catch up to brand in cs and ill help Livebait: he iis still getting 2-1 for you cs Livebait: good work cait Livebait: you might be able to carry this lux Livebait: next time ulkt to save turret Livebait: cant now no vision on graves Livebait: wtf was that lux Livebait: .... ya thats it! Livebait: you guys go 4 top for lulu Livebait: we arent gonna win Livebait: 119 cs at 30 minutes... Livebait: sorry i have to be the one who engages Livebait: you have miissed 7 fights that i was in Livebait: you didnt even participate... Livebait: you think you are bothering me? Livebait: your 8 cs ahead of me Livebait: wow you're salty your right Livebait: dont worry ill make sure i dont die any more Livebait: call ed this gg at champ select when lux banned shaco... Livebait: she claims he is the strongest champ in the game Livebait: lux is salty cause her cs Livebait: sorry cant risk death Livebait: nah dont want this lux tto get any free wins too bad Livebait: she fed brand we cant win Livebait: this is a 4v5 we are losing Livebait: lux cant do dmg Livebait: its fine lux you're bad Livebait: we got it Livebait: who wants to wager brand did 4x lux dmg this game? Livebait: dont worry guys lux doesnt fwanna fight Livebait: lux he was at 10% health and you cant kill brand? Livebait: 169 cs at 40 minutes... Livebait: uhh she wasnt gonna die to thresh solo Livebait: maybe you should have tried bein in the fight Livebait: but i understand thats hard for you Livebait: missed every skillshot Livebait: they arent gonna fiight darius Livebait: its been constant 4v5 and they wont go in Livebait: while lulu is off not even in this game Livebait: so salty lux Livebait: you must be mad as hell bro Game 3 Livebait: i dunno Livebait: i was curious Livebait: just open mid Livebait: i dont wanan try for 4v5 Livebait: yes its a troll Livebait: DO NOT CONTINUE THIS GAME Livebait: dont go to lane morg Livebait: open bot Livebait: yasuo its over already she is a troll just report Livebait: she trying to not type to help her ban Livebait: thats why she stopped feeding kills but she is throwing the game Livebait: you guys dont understand how open means just let them end.. Livebait: i mean if you wanna fuck up your kda on top of your rank Livebait: yasuo is being as cancerous as sivir by being out there Livebait: if he stays out there Livebait: just end it its over we got fucked Livebait: report sivir and be done with it Livebait: we just open bot cause Livebait: sivir ran mid fed a bunch of kills then trolled yasuo Livebait: swain tp bot and help em shove 4 of us sititn base Livebait: it happens guys ive been on the other end and atleast they arent trolling by not ending Livebait: i hate when my team wont end when other team is already getting cucked by a troll it just wastes time Livebait: OMFG OPEN BOT dont make them draw it out Livebait: sorry about thes epeople still efending Livebait: i guess you can draw it out till 12 minutes to teach them Livebait: err another 12 till 20 Livebait: not if the 3 of you keep fighting them Livebait: they can fall back and farm up Livebait: game could have been over by now Livebait: but you guys all charged at them Livebait: no clue never said anything just decided to troll Livebait: see if draven wasnt ending

AzureDragoonJan 16, 20176 votes

Livebait: Im sorry your mother never taught you 2 wrongs dont make a right

And yet the majority of your chats is being constantly combative with teammates, threatening reports, demanding that lanes be given up just so your team can lose the match faster (giving up), and complaining that someone is still trying to play.

Yes, you are right that 2 wrongs don't make a right. That's why you were judged based solely on your actions. Because regardless of the other player's behavior, you made a situation worse.

CooL Ice TeaJan 16, 20172 votes

I will leave only the lines in there which are toxic, i will delete the rest, lets see how much we have there.

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Game 1 Livebait: since this troll is gonna/feed fuck up bot Livebait: yes your the troll Livebait: so you are trolling Livebait: its clear it will be reported and you will get ranked ban Livebait: wanna just open mid with him int feeding we cant win Livebait: i didnt want to top im supposed to be support but our ziggs is trolling Livebait: not that our jungler hjas made any attempt to come up here even though i got put in a bad situation Livebait: wow guess im not reporting you ziggs Livebait: ya but you also ruined my game Livebait: and 3 other people Livebait: no you did ziggs Livebait: maybe he didnt see the declare maybe the enemy team bans it... you fuckin troll costing 3 other people who had nothing to do wi Livebait: just so you can "ruin" jhins game well its not his game Livebait: and you shouldnt be playing ranked Livebait: Im sorry your mother never taught you 2 wrongs dont make a right Livebait: pls report ziggs for trolling btw... he raged cause darius got banned by own teammate so he purposely trolling Livebait: glad you put that in the chat saying you troll/grief oftewn

Game 2 Livebait: wow i pinged him in brush and you walke forward this iis def a loss Livebait: died 1v1 to lulu.. Livebait: im still surprised how you guys chose to go riiver.. Livebait: mid solo death without gank... Livebait: you havent been ganked by gravers your losn on your own Livebait: most mids espeecially ones playing lux know how to wave clear Livebait: but that 41 to 83 cs shows you dont know how to mid Livebait: no i was aable to call this loss from you at your ban... i knew how your play was gonna go Livebait: no helping bad... Livebait: wow you're salty your right Livebait: call ed this gg at champ select when lux banned shaco... Livebait: she claims he is the strongest champ in the game Livebait: lux is salty cause her cs Livebait: nah dont want this lux tto get any free wins too bad Livebait: she fed brand we cant win Livebait: this is a 4v5 we are losing Livebait: lux cant do dmg Livebait: its fine lux you're bad Livebait: we got it Livebait: who wants to wager brand did 4x lux dmg this game? Livebait: dont worry guys lux doesnt fwanna fight Livebait: lux he was at 10% health and you cant kill brand? Livebait: 169 cs at 40 minutes... Livebait: uhh she wasnt gonna die to thresh solo Livebait: maybe you should have tried bein in the fight Livebait: but i understand thats hard for you Livebait: missed every skillshot Livebait: so salty lux Livebait: you must be mad as hell bro

Game 3 Livebait: just open mid Livebait: i dont wanan try for 4v5 Livebait: yes its a troll Livebait: DO NOT CONTINUE THIS GAME Livebait: dont go to lane morg Livebait: open bot Livebait: yasuo its over already she is a troll just report Livebait: thats why she stopped feeding kills but she is throwing the game Livebait: you guys dont understand how open means just let them end.. Livebait: i mean if you wanna fuck up your kda on top of your rank Livebait: yasuo is being as cancerous as sivir by being out there Livebait: just end it its over we got fucked Livebait: report sivir and be done with it Livebait: we just open bot cause Livebait: sivir ran mid fed a bunch of kills then trolled yasuo Livebait: swain tp bot and help em shove 4 of us sititn base Livebait: it happens guys ive been on the other end and atleast they arent trolling by not ending Livebait: i hate when my team wont end when other team is already getting cucked by a troll it just wastes time Livebait: OMFG OPEN BOT dont make them draw it out Livebait: sorry about thes epeople still efending Livebait: i guess you can draw it out till 12 minutes to teach them Livebait: err another 12 till 20 Livebait: not if the 3 of you keep fighting them Livebait: they can fall back and farm up Livebait: game could have been over by now Livebait: but you guys all charged at them Livebait: no clue never said anything just decided to troll Livebait: see if draven wasnt ending

The last game had 2 lines which I deleted, you are a big crybaby which wants to open in the early game and tell your teammates after the firstblood of the enemy that the game is over.

NOBODY absolut NOBODY would like to play with a person like YOU!

LivebaitJan 16, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=CooL Ice Tea,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xNKkJnme,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-01-16T09:58:45.209+0000)

I will leave only the lines in there which are toxic, i will delete the rest, lets see how much we have there.

The last game had 2 lines which I deleted, you are a big crybaby which wants to open in the early game and tell your teammates after the firstblood of the enemy that the game is over.

NOBODY absolut NOBODY would like to play with a person like YOU!

Its funny you say that all you posted was toxic... even when i encouraged team. Also people feeding mid intentionally usually means gg.. I watch numerous high ranked games from pro players who call it in an early game and open lane due to even a bad start... let alone an intentional troll. I love how people act high and mighty but i bet if i was in a que with you and just started feeding im sure you would just say nothing! Don't kid yourself. And remember your own thoughts here when you get those people who intentionally feed literally tp'ing back in to die faster.

AeroWaffleJan 16, 20173 votes

You're responsible for your own behavior because you're the only one that has ultimate control over them.

I love how people act high and mighty but i bet if i was in a que with you and just started feeding im sure you would just say nothing! Don't kid yourself.

Assuming people have as little self-control as you does not help your point.

And AzureDragoon is right;

Livebait: Im sorry your mother never taught you 2 wrongs dont make a right

CooL Ice TeaJan 16, 20172 votes

I am not even raging for myself, i get upset by flame and not by teammates which play poorly. I had a toplaner yesterday which lost so hard that the enemy top laner snowballed and crushed us. I didn't blame anyone, I didn't rage, I didn't ask for open.

This is a game, it is supposed to make fun so I am making the best out of every game. And on the other hand I know that i have games where we stomp the enemy just like I get stomped so it's all even.

LivebaitJan 16, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=CooL Ice Tea,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xNKkJnme,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2017-01-16T11:17:09.980+0000)

I am not even raging for myself, i get upset by flame and not by teammates which play poorly. I had a toplaner yesterday which lost so hard that the enemy top laner snowballed and crushed us. I didn't blame anyone, I didn't rage, I didn't ask for open.

This is a game, it is supposed to make fun so I am making the best out of every game. And on the other hand I know that i have games where we stomp the enemy just like I get stomped so it's all even.

There is a difference between someone losing lane and someone walking middle dying to turret and cass then respawning tp'ing back to mid turret and dying again he had fed 4 kills to mid before i called for an open lane.. literally respawning and running mid.. your being toxic in your chat here technically by calling me toxic by your own means. Literally you all are "reacting to what ive done posted" by calling me toxic thats the same as me calling a troll out. Thanks again for proving me right, your toxicity might not be as bad, and I have honestly cut back alot but Riot does not address these trolls obviously when they admit in game they feed all the time and riot doesnt care.

CooL Ice TeaJan 16, 20171 votes

Thanks again for proving me right

you live in your own fairy world where everything I say is wrong or will support you anyway. So when I read this the conversation was over on my side.

I mean it's not my problem, if you won't change your mindset and behaviour you will get the perma ban, not me.

Magical PlayerJan 16, 20172 votes

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There is a difference between someone losing lane and someone walking middle dying to turret and cass then respawning tp'ing back to mid turret and dying again he had fed 4 kills to mid before i called for an open lane.. literally respawning and running mid.. your being toxic in your chat here technically by calling me toxic by your own means. Literally you all are "reacting to what ive done posted" by calling me toxic thats the same as me calling a troll out. Thanks again for proving me right, your toxicity might not be as bad, and I have honestly cut back alot but Riot does not address these trolls obviously when they admit in game they feed all the time and riot doesnt care.

You're right there is a difference, but what good does flaming them do? Riot addresses all reports in time, they may not have a history of inting, they may just of had a bad game.. But for a 3rd teir punishment you have to have general history of toxicity/flaming or have been extremely toxic in a few games. You're entire argument is i saw a troll i told the troll off alot, Im not the one who should be punished because he trolled me and i reacted. Riot would rather 1 person be toxic than 2, you only make a situation worse typically when you begin to flame/blame others.

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Like all real competitive sports it has tiers of competition. I don't judge little league the same way I would judge major leagues...... Every rank under d3 is not considered part of the competitive scene, gold is considered low elo. I am sorry to inform you of the opinion of PROFESSIONALS who do take this game seriously. In another view, overly griefing your own team in a "real sport" would get you what, benched, fined, kicked off the team? All acceptable punishments, riot is doing just that.