i get loot/chat banned when someone starts with me and i just defend myself.

Dillonqt·Aug 15, 2017·1 votes·498 views

I understand that two wrongs dont make a right, but when i get flamed in chat for doing and saying absolutely nothing to someone. i just defend myself and i get banned when the toxic kid who started the whole thing probably gets nothing. The riot tribunal system or whatever they have going on, its complete trash in my opinion. I get banned for defending myself from the cave trolls that inhabit this game. Its almost like the rule of thumb for league should be just instant mute everyone in the game or you get banned. (this happened in URF. a game mode created for fun???)

15 Comments

DrugothAug 15, 20174 votes

You're defending yourself the wrong way. Just mute and report, no need to spawn to harassment. It only gets you punished in the end

HalcyonDwellerAug 15, 20174 votes

Self-defense is not the same thing as retaliation.

If you say anything negative about the other player then the system will consider it toxic.

If you're defending yourself you don't need to mention the other player at all.

For example:

Other player: "You're int-feeding, stop it."

Wrong response: "Shut up you're 0/6, you fed them enough that they can kill me. This is your fault!"

Correct response: "No I'm not, I'm trying hard but they keep countering me. They are just too strong!"

General Esdeath Aug 15, 20172 votes

No. You got loot/chat banned because you were toxic instead of just muting and reporting.

HammermancerAug 15, 20172 votes

You got banned because you let a chat box get under your skin

I just got banned because I'm a poorly socialized jerk and suck at being funny apparently

CithriaCAug 15, 20172 votes

You never get punished for a first time offense, even if someone goes afk, the first time you get a warning, not a punishment. You don't have to mute everyone, you just ignore them because you would be lucky to see a player more than once in urf. You can defend yourself, but did your "defense" attack another player. The tribunal is gone, a bot validates chat reports to check if you said something that is flame(or toxic).

A good rule of thumb is ignore chat unless they point out a mistake that you can fix, or tell useful game info.

If you feel like what you said shouldn't be punished(regardless of what anyone else said) send a ticket and Rito will check your chat logs.

You said "probably gets nothing", if you report them, they will get something if they are toxic, especially if this isn't their first time.

ChermorgAug 15, 20172 votes

Please explain to me from what life threatening emergency you are defending yourself by flaming someone in a video game?

DillonqtAug 15, 20171 votes

Unfortunately for me i fed into the drama and yes it only got me banned. I accept the consequences, but i dont like how i have to be so passive in order to avoid being banned. People that start something should be instant banned. Maybe i have a short fuse but people ALWAYS tend to start with me when im being passive to begin with.

Silent GravityAug 15, 20172 votes

Don't think of it as passivity. Take the action of muting. Take the action of reporting.

If you're playing a wargame, and an infantry unit is under suppression fire, you don't have them fire back. Their action that turn is "take cover". Then, call in air support, an artillery strike, or flank their position with other units.

Firing back exposes them to danger and won't accomplish much. Riot's ban-hammer hits harder than your verbal retaliation ever could.

hexarteAug 15, 20172 votes

Concurring in agreement with the Silent Gravity. A softer approach is better. Let someone else deal with this. Riot knows what to do.

Now on the other hand, if someone is being told "go kill yourself," please speak up in the other person's defense. That should be a no tolerated response toward losing a game.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

A Tilted MuffinAug 16, 20171 votes

I agree on you on this thread. I am a person who does NOT back down from someone talking sh-t to me or even flaming so of course I have to right back. But yet you get reported or banned because either their duo/trio etc reports you also, or you had some previous report on you. Let's be honest, riot doesn't give a damn about what was really exactly said, more over just who got more reports in the game and on going, I've come to realize that sadness. They need to understand that there's "defending yourself" and "talking trash" difference. I guarantee that HARDLY anyone will make that response down there. The (Correct response: "No I'm not, I'm trying hard but they keep countering me. They are just too strong!") because one, it sounds nerdy and kind of dumb, and two.. they're firing shots at you and they expect you not to do the same?? That's stupid.

It's like someone you're fighting IRL and they hit you and you run and tell your mommy/daddy. What's that going to do? Make you look like a p--sy.. And I do NOT stand for that. This game's reports and punishments are like baby things.

I don't condole fighting or talking trash but when someone starts with you, they NEED and SHOULD be put in their place. And honestly, don't talk about rank because WOW, you're plat+ in game? You MUST be soooo successful in life huh? I hate when idiots make a comeback saying "What rank are you".. So stupid.

Imperial PandaaAug 16, 20175 votes

Number of reports for a single game does not matter. 1 report will flag the entire game for review. So if I say stuff to you and you retaliate; I report you and you have a strike. If you report me as well, I get a strike too.

No, the player still needs to determine the difference between defending and retaliating. Do you need to use the given example? No it was just an example. A simple "I'm not." Would suffice. If they continue and if you want to say anything remotely back just tell them they aren't worth the possible report. Congrats you just insulted them and can stop replying to them.

And neither is what I would do irl in case of a fight. If you draw a line it is on the middle with a slight lean to fight. I was taught if they start the fight, subdue until someone of authority arrives to settle it. You know what can subdue them with a chat box? Muting them. In theory I just combined both your examples. Subdue to prevent further fighting and letting an authority deal with it (via report.)

hexarteAug 16, 20171 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

A Tilted MuffinAug 16, 20171 votes

That is actually a great idea. I don't know why that's never crossed my mind =\

Could I get punished for saying that actually? Considering it could be taken as "They aren't important" and can be somewhat considered offensive? Also could I get punished for saying that or even "reported, muted"?

Imperial PandaaAug 16, 20172 votes

At worse it is passive aggressive, but if that is all you say to someone they will probably let it go as trying to be the better person.

Technically, but unlikely. The reason I say technically is the "reported" could be taken as a threat or to intimidate. I would suggest either just saying "muted/muting" or to your team, "sorry, I have to mute x. They are rubbing me the wrong way."

A Tilted MuffinAug 17, 20171 votes

Done AND DONE :D