Riot, why?

HaseLover·Sep 10, 2018·3 votes·2,372 views

Okay let me just address the elephant in the room: Riots banning system isn't justified Just imagine this: Your on a team everybody is flaming and inting playing ranked

What riot suggest you do: Mute them and try to win What happens: You say "you guys suck" but still try to win --> 14 day bann without warning if they decide to report you

You receive notification saying you have been banned without warning or being banned/muted before and only see your chatlog of what you have said. It doesn't even have to be a swear word just something negative even if its the truth. Riot has made system which banns you without considering the circumstances. Don't get me wrong alot of people deserve banns etc. but there are many good players who carry games but still want to voice their opinion. Riot doesn't put in the effort necessary which is needed for it to be fair really, all they say is mute, carry on and report after. I think part of a solution would be Riot making a warning system for people telling them that they are close to getting banned showing chatlogs on both sides at least also acknowledging that you didn't start flaming/harrasing people but responded in a way which they do not appreciate.

(basically they teach you to be a snitch instead of a man voicing your opinion tbh.)

Cheers

24 Comments

Umbral RegentSep 10, 201811 votes

What happens: You say "you guys suck" but still try to win --> 14 day bann without warning if they decide to report you

Care to show chat logs? 'Cause, there's obviously more to it, and even still, if you were punished for that alone and given a 14-day ban, it means you've ignored a previous 25-game Chat Restriction, and Riot is telling you to stop.

You don't just get a 14-day ban out of the blue for telling someone that they suck. You have to work up to the 14-day ban with consistent negativity and misbehavior.

Riot has made system which banns you without considering the circumstances.

It doesn't matter why you broke the rules, only that you did.

...also acknowledging that you didn't start flaming/harrasing people but responded in a way which they do not appreciate.

"Who started it" doesn't matter. Both players participated in a flame war, both players get punished when they're reported for it.

There's no reason to try and gratify the person who decided to flame back by acknowledging "oh, well, you didn't start shit, so I guess you're almost cool" - they still flamed. They still get punished. There's no good reason to try and stroke their ego over who started a fuckin' flame war.

...showing chatlogs on both sides...

Again; doesn't matter why you broke the rules, only that you did.

(basically they teach you to be a snitch instead of a man voicing your opinion tbh.)

Something something "thicker skin" something something.

A real man would be able to control themselves and avoid getting into childish flame wars over a video game.

HaseLoverSep 10, 20181 votes

Dude you are missing the point. Get of your high horse and imagine somebody fucks up your game on purpose you still try your best to win and maybe you even win the game but at the end you should be allowed to say that he fucking sucks cause he does man.

Umbral RegentSep 10, 20187 votes

...but at the end you should be allowed to say that he fucking sucks cause he does man.

And you are allowed to.

The only problem is that it's against the rules, and Riot can and will punish you if you're reported for it.

What I'd do, personally, is just keep my insults to myself, report the intentional feeder/troll, and enjoy the instant feedback report.

I haven't gotten so much as a chat restriction yet, so it seems to work pretty damn well.

R107 GamesSep 10, 20181 votes

Then that means he's not "allowed" to...

Umbral RegentSep 10, 20187 votes

In a roundabout way, yes, but really it's more to say that he is allowed to say what he wants, just that there are repercussions for breaking the rules. And since telling someone they suck (for any reason) is against the rules...Riot is allowed to deliver said repercussions.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 10, 20186 votes

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but at the end you should be allowed to say that he fucking sucks cause he does man.

lolwut?

what a childish mindset

AneirinSep 10, 20188 votes

you should be allowed to say that he fucking sucks cause he does man.

And what does that achieve? Apart from giving him the attention and response that he wants, thus rewarding his behaviour. Why should you be allowed to encourage trolls?

basically they teach you to be a snitch instead of a man voicing your opinion tbh

Yeah big manly men are people who type in mean words in a video game, so masculine

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Tenth LeperSep 10, 20181 votes

No. You shouldn't.

Jo0oSep 10, 20188 votes

You act like "you guys suck" is something that just pops into the chat log with no actual input on your behalf.

Why is it so hard to not insult people?

PhieldworkerSep 10, 20181 votes

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You act like "you guys suck" is something that just pops into the chat log with no actual input on your behalf.

Why is it so hard to not insult people?

They probably had more reports from other people. I know I have said 1 or 2 things along those lines and it’s doesn’t just happen like that.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 10, 20185 votes

Okay. So just don't insult them.

You know what you're supposed to do. So do it, instead of doing what they told you not to do.

Also:

(basically they teach you to be a snitch instead of a man voicing your opinion tbh.)

Okay. This isn't the playground anymore. "Snitch" isn't a valid word anymore. Neither is "tattle-tale". They were jackasses, plain and simple. It's not "being a man" to get in their face and insult them back, it's being a dumbass.

HaseLoverSep 10, 20181 votes

the thing is even if you just say stop feeding you can get a bann if they report you after. There is NO warning or anything and you can get banned without even being muted or anything before. They don't review the situation like if their score was 0/18 or if they were flaming at you the whole time and don't send you a chatlog of what they wrote so you can justify what happened to you.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 10, 20183 votes

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There is NO warning or anything and you can get banned without even being muted or anything before.

That's actually not how the system works at all, though.

Unless you decide to recite the entirety of "Mein Kampf", make verifiable IRL threats, or something else that's absurdly extreme, you can't get permabanned instantly from just typing. The absolute most from "no punishment" is a 14 day ban, and that's only for racial slurs or other things like it.

Also, as Riot has said hundreds of thousands of times in the past: You are responsible for your own actions. Them feeding did not force you to type anything, you decided to type something in response to that circumstance.

Kei143Sep 10, 20185 votes

I think the real elephant in the room is how much you don't understand how the system works.

DrugothSep 10, 20183 votes

Hyperbole and lies. In order to skip right to a ban you have to break the rules pretty egregiously. Unless you can back your statement up with proof, your argument is invalid.

IllyaFateSep 10, 20182 votes

hahaha...That's actually how my account from Alpha got perma banned..I was being trolled and harassed by my entire team and i said "Wow, you suck"... not even through the ban phase and i get perma banned. Was a great day. Was also the day i decided i will not be spending a dime on this game again.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 10, 20188 votes

Okay. So. You gonna tell us why you decided insulting your team after Riot explicitly told you the next time a valid report was filed against you you'd be permabanned was a good idea?

Imperial PandaaSep 10, 20182 votes

Actually I'm more interestee about the getting banned while in banning phase

Stick For BrainsSep 10, 20182 votes

I agree. No point to bring anything to the forums. Everyone is a do-gooder who doesn't give a fuck about the game and only wished to be a player moderator.

Fuck LoL. Let this shit die along with it's terrible community

HaseLoverSep 10, 20181 votes

Well since 80% of the people on this forum just knit pick at what makes my post look childish so they can feel good about themselves I see these forums are a real waste of time. Instead of actually trying to come up with any ideas on the banning system of whats going right or wrong about it specifically how you can get banned without warnings for small things etc.

thanks

PurpleYukariSep 10, 20184 votes

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Well since 80% of the people on this forum just knit pick at what makes my post look childish so they can feel good about themselves I see these forums are a real waste of time. Instead of actually trying to come up with any ideas on the banning system of whats going right or wrong about it specifically how you can get banned without warnings for small things etc.

thanks

So how can the forums not be a waste of time? What would be helpful for you?

Realize that there is some flak the thread sounds a lot like a way to say "I do not deserve my ban because someone else was toxic", which has been refuted by riot employees and community members way too many times. Call us knit pickers, but if this is whats happening, realize that keeping this mentality is a terrible idea for keeping the account.

VoldymortSep 10, 20183 votes

"the forums are a waste of time because they don't tell me what i want to hear"

then don't post on forums and go to your echo chamber and complain there if opposing opinions trigger you so much

HalcyonDwellerSep 10, 20182 votes

I think that you should read this comment chain, it might help you to better understand your position here.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EItb0p4j-riot-employee-sending-me-in-circles?comment=0001

Being someone who was recently banned, your motives are suspect. People will not just fall in line behind you about the punishment system.

I happen to think that the punishment system needs to be improved, but I'm not about to back you up here because you are someone who could just be claiming that it should be changed so that you would never be banned. That would be biased. Until you demonstrate that you can be unbiased about it, people are not going to listen to you or help you have a discussion about how the system actually could be improved.