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Permanently banned because my teammates didn't like my choice and Bard was trolling.

SyraKen··9 votes·2,139 views

Honestly this new system where they only show the conversation from side it atrocious. The other players could be swearing and spewing hate speech at a person to provoke them but it is completely ignored. Here though, there is no blatant swearing, just me trying to get a Bard to stop trolling. 5 times he ran infront of the minion wave to get grabbed by Blitzcrank, going "oops, i guess i forgot lol", just before he would immediately run away from a team fight with his tunnel thing, or he would ult his own teammates guaranteeing we'd lose the fight. But, being bronze and being the elo it is, he can go "ryze adc, please report" and players on each side of the team will go "Yea, sorry about that, how he gets banned" THOUGH I AM LEGITIMATELY TRYING TO FARM AND PLAY SAFE AND WIN, and there is someone VISIBLY, NOTICABLY, ACTUALLY TROLLING, but they are on the side of the troll.

AND THIS WAS WORTH A PERMANENT BAN? VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Game 1 SyraKen: seriously? SyraKen: his mom SyraKen: dont duo with people who have to deal with their mom. SyraKen: no autos on minions :D SyraKen: put the heal in the back by the turret SyraKen: so they build up SyraKen: try to not get grabbed. SyraKen: there are enough minions to never be grabbed. SyraKen: why doy ou keep running ahead of their wave like that? SyraKen: SIgh SyraKen: why SyraKen: doy ou k eep SyraKen: running ahead SyraKen: of the minions SyraKen: like that SyraKen: the 5th time your are grabes houdl be a sign SyraKen: grabbed should* SyraKen: Bard SyraKen: i need you level 6 SyraKen: in your lane SyraKen: Avoiding the grabs SyraKen: 100% SyraKen: pelase SyraKen: BARD SyraKen: STOP IT SyraKen: EVERY TIME SyraKen: report bard, griefing SyraKen: stfu SyraKen: troll SyraKen: easy lane SyraKen: and you chose to lose SyraKen: it was an easy lane bard SyraKen: but you had to torll on purpose though SyraKen: troll* SyraKen: you couldn't just enjoy the game and do well int he process. SyraKen: because he's a troll SyraKen: he's literally SyraKen: walkes straight SyraKen: into every grab SyraKen: going out of his way SyraKen: into the open SyraKen: i can only do so much with a troll who "forgets that blitz is in the bush and grabs every time" SyraKen: wtf SyraKen: was that SyraKen: bard SyraKen: sigh. SyraKen: you ARE trolling SyraKen: its obv SyraKen: report bard, griefing SyraKen: its ok rengar, lol some more SyraKen: that'll make us win SyraKen: with bard trolling SyraKen: all game SyraKen: yup, aren't you glad you lol'd while bard was trollnig SyraKen: report bard, griefing SyraKen: bard shut up. all you've done is run out and feed half the game SyraKen: this bard literally walks ahead of every minion lane to get grabbed, on purpose SyraKen: so you didn't see bard walk ahead of minions and get grabbed by blitz 5 times in a row? SyraKen: i didn't SyraKen: i'm toxic because he trolled? that doesn't make sense SyraKen: is fine. when your allies don't troll on purpose SyraKen: rengar, why'd you just stand there.. SyraKen: :/ SyraKen: its over when you give up SyraKen: and never before that SyraKen: welp, there goes my 5 0 placement.. SyraKen: i hope bard trolls your team next SyraKen: i wasn't the troll, you dont know what trolling is, of course SyraKen: no, thats not true SyraKen: YOU don'et know what trolling is SyraKen: oh btw SyraKen: while i was recalling, bard used his ult on me SyraKen: have you seem him use his ult productively in a team fight? SyraKen: NO quinn, not an accident. God you are a trolls best friend.. SyraKen: and you grief all game SyraKen: no, just griefing

48 Comments

qetzel9 votes

I am going to withhold judgement until I see the link to all of the chat logs that you were sent.

2four12 votes

right.. if its a perma ban they will send you 3 games chat logs.

TeemoJenkins5 votes

You type a lot... but that's not a crime. Asking someone to report another player is harassment though. I would appeal through a support ticket as this is pretty Diet Coke as far as chat harassment goes. Hopefully they will give you another chance.

Karol Scheibler5 votes

@RiotLyte ,can you come here? :3

IcyPepper4 votes

I'm a little in doubt here.

Stephenizgod4 votes

Bans are not taken from just one game, but they will show you the chat logs of the final game that got you banned. So take that into account before complaining about the system.

I played a game with a Trist who gave up 5 minutes in because they got grabbed by Blitz. They blamed me because i dodged out of the way, assuming they would also dodge since it was very telegraphed, and didn't stop them from dying. They could have survived but the Trist decided, that this was a good chance to kill the enemy ADC and jumped on top of them. Of course it was not a good chance as we were both lower leveled and I was decently far away so I couldn't assist. After this they started purposely dying all game, they would jump into several enemies in all lanes and feed on purpose, because "the game was over a long time ago"... and this was only like 10-15 minutes into the game... Everytime anyone said anything to them, they basically threw it in our face that Riot would ban us before they would ban them. So guess what I did? I didn't insult or yell at them. I asked the enemy team to watch what Trist does and judge for themselves whether she was doing it on purpose, it was obvious and they agreed to report the Trist. End of story. I didn't get banned because I had the self control to not be "baited", that is a poor excuse, you have 100% control of yourself and no one else can force you to say anything.

SyraKen4 votes

Except they only showed me one chat log when i login and it says i'm permabanned. Does this chat look like a permabannable reason? Yes or no.

MeilinII2 votes

Yes. See my other post. XD

qetzel6 votes

Can you give us the link then. It would verify your story.

We are naturally sceptical given the number of people who turn out to be lying about bans.

Firu1 votes

And if a Rioter comes here (or responds to your email) with another dozen or so chat logs displaying toxic behavior, would that be reason for a permanent ban? Yes or no.

2four11 votes

give it a day or 2 and try relogging, more chat logs will be presented. if not. ask riot for more information on your ban. im sorry mate but riot has a pretty good system here, it has its flaws but to be honest. I have never enjoyed the game as much as I do now with the /ignore all. We must remember we are all human, we all make mistakes, and we all do not play our best every game. only thing you can control is your attitude and your gameplay. Best luck of luck on your next account.

JusticeReigns4 votes

Hypothetically lets say they were punished previously for offences. The question about THIS INSTANCE. THE INSTANCE that got him permabanned. IN THIS INSTANCE was there any hint of aggressive obscenity or rage fueled hate speech over another player being stupid because they didn't agree with another players character choice, or was there a simply constant attempt to get ONE player to stop going out of their way to RUIN the game for 4 players. I don't get why people love to support trolls who are trolling in this game. It is NOT WHAT WE WANT IN THE COMMUNITY. Good players are punished, bad players are praised.

Firu2 votes

That's not how it works. This is most likely not the instance that got him banned (or even put him over the tipping point). This is just a sample of the logs and Riot randomly drew this one out. And I agree, the randomness of chat logs presented in the report cards is a negative of the system.

Also, no one is really praising bad players and would you classify the behavior in that log as "good"? It may not have been terrible but I doubted it added anything to the situation.

PixTron4 votes

Bill is playing League of Legends Bill is trying to see if an Out-Of-Meta pick is still viable Bill gets flamed by teammates. Bill could play TF's Victim Card. But Bill mutes everyone and continues playing. Bill is being trolled by teammates Bill could again play TF's Victim Card. But just like Top Lane Lee Sin, it doesn't help. So Bill continues playing without saying 18 million lines of bitchy attitude. Bill might lose a bit of LP, but he remains untilted.

Bill is smart.

Bills is very smart.

Please be like Bill.

2four13 votes

I my experience you just have to mute all teammates and play your game, if people are going to screw around and mess with others gameplay than that is just what happens, its only 20-40 minutes out of your day. its best to just keep trying to practice cs in games like this and maybe objective steals? rather than fueling everyone else on the team with hate/rage for eachother. I hope this advice helps you on your next account.

Mestophilies1 votes

Yup. /ignore all every game.

FatedDarkly3 votes

Hey man, sorry to hear you got banned. Hopefully Riot will fix it, because this doesn't look like a permabanned case at all. I was play Lulu top during the time that people would afk and players would report you on both sides of the fence for going Lulu top so I understand it when a player trolls you for playing a way that isn't common, and everyone blames you for that player trolling. "Had you picked properly they wouldn't of trolled, so its your fault." No bad language in here, 90% pleading with one player to stop trolling. This didn't deserve a ban.

JusticeReigns3 votes

It really is sad how unfair and one sided the banning system is. It doesn't seem to require a good reason, just enough votes. I bet if he hadn't said anything all game and 9 people voted against him, he'd still end up banned, despite another player clearly griefing and trolling. I hope he gets unbanned. Why do we have such a strong community that immediately punish players for utilizing different strategies? I'm pretty sure in one of the messages of a previous update they were promoting us to break the mold of the usual 1 top 2 jungle mid META set up and not be afraid to try new things. People shouldn't have to be subjected to players who will punish others for trying new things.

Jorencice1 votes

It doesn't work that way.

1 report is exactly the same as 9. All.the report does is flag to automated system to look at the logs. Which might flag a real person to look at it.

MeilinII3 votes

{quoted}

SyraKen: report bard, griefing SyraKen: stfu SyraKen: troll SyraKen: easy lane SyraKen: and you chose to lose SyraKen: it was an easy lane bard SyraKen: but you had to torll on purpose though SyraKen: report bard, griefing SyraKen: bard shut up. all you've done is run out and feed half the game

This alone could get you banned.

  1. Asking for reports is both useless, and considered harassment, and is reportable.
  2. after the 4th time the troll ignored you, you were dumb enough to continue to feed the troll, and respond. You did this to yourself. Suck it up. You played yourself.
SyraKen4 votes

{quoted}

This alone could get you banned.

  1. Asking for reports is both useless, and considered harassment, and is reportable.
  2. after the 4th time the troll ignored you, you were dumb enough to continue to feed the troll, and respond. You did this to yourself. Suck it up. You played yourself.

What do you mean After the 4th time the troll ignored you. YOU DO UNDERSTAND that they do not show the chat from any other player in these, right? This is an active conversation with active participation. There was no ignoring.

MeilinII2 votes

You told him to stay behind minions about 4 or 5 times. He ignored you and kept feeding. You kept responding.

JusticeReigns5 votes

{quoted}

You told him to stay behind minions about 4 or 5 times. He ignored you and kept feeding. You kept responding.

Why are you a troll feeder? "This guy is ruining the game, you should just take the unfair loss smiling and not try to reason with them. Everything is your fault, not theirs."

MeilinII2 votes

Because that's not being a 'troll feeder' that's being an adult. If someone is acting like a pissbaby/troll/pain in the ass, play the game, surrender if you can, but don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to shoot the clown. You are gonna lose 50% of the games you play no matter what, but you are 100% in control of how you respond to that fact.

FatedDarkly3 votes

{quoted}

Because that's not being a 'troll feeder' that's being an adult. If someone is acting like a pissbaby/troll/pain in the ass, play the game, surrender if you can, but don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to shoot the clown. You are gonna lose 50% of the games you play no matter what, but you are 100% in control of how you respond to that fact.

But what was said in this that was worth a permaban? Nothing. When did trying to get your other teammates to have an enjoyable game by trying to reason with a player acting out become punishable by permaban? You aren't being logical at all. And how does anyone make challenger if they have a 50% game loss? Your numbers are flawed, and your reasoning is terrible...

MeilinII2 votes

Challengers have 50% game loss too, friend. Do some research. The system is designed to promote based on that fact. IF you have less than 50% losses, you move up very , very fast. And he was banned because he was 'harassing' a troll. Asking others to report someone is harassment, according to RIOT and the TOS. If he got perma'd, that means he'd already had 2 chat restricts and a 14-day. If he wasn't capable of shutting the hell up after that many warnings, yes, he deserves the perma and I have no sympathy for him.

JusticeReigns2 votes

{quoted}

Challengers have 50% game loss too, friend. Do some research. The system is designed to promote based on that fact. IF you have less than 50% losses, you move up very , very fast. And he was banned because he was 'harassing' a troll. Asking others to report someone is harassment, according to RIOT and the TOS. If he got perma'd, that means he'd already had 2 chat restricts and a 14-day. If he wasn't capable of shutting the hell up after that many warnings, yes, he deserves the perma and I have no sympathy for him.

I have a feeling that when the troll asked the other players to report him, he didn't get punished for it. I have a feeling that you are saying these things because you yourself are a troll, and enjoy it when you get away with trolling others. Your kind is a detriment to the league.

MeilinII2 votes

I only have the one account, but please. take a look at my OP.gg and tell me I troll. I'm no high-elo, but I'm no feeder, either. But I am an adult. XD And if the troll had asked for reports, and got reported, then it would count against him. That's how the system works.

Jorencice2 votes

Freind made it to challenger with a 50.01% winrate. He won 501 games lost 500.

SyraKen3 votes

{quoted}

Because that's not being a 'troll feeder' that's being an adult. If someone is acting like a pissbaby/troll/pain in the ass, play the game, surrender if you can, but don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to shoot the clown. You are gonna lose 50% of the games you play no matter what, but you are 100% in control of how you respond to that fact.

'You are never going to get out of bronze because half your games will be trolled and it will always be your fault. You should never try to reason with a player acting out so that you have a chance to get out of bronze. You should except the matchmaking system that puts players who try their hardest to win get paired up with players that break down so easily. Everything is your fault, and you will always be punished for others mistakes. Grow up and be an adult."

Troll feeder...

MeilinII1 votes

Again, you can lose 50% of games and still get out of bronze. Plenty of us have done it. Keep calling me whatever names you like, it doesn't change that I've never had a report, or broken rules, and you're permabanned. If you can't take responsibility for your own actions, you deserve what you get. GG! [slayer-jinx-catface]

alasarcher2 votes

{quoted}

What do you mean After the 4th time the troll ignored you. YOU DO UNDERSTAND that they do not show the chat from any other player in these, right? This is an active conversation with active participation. There was no ignoring.

Other players dont matter. What you do matters. Their case is handled separately. If this was your first offense it would not be permanent ban. But i guess u had 14 days ban before, and chat restrictions. AND YOU STILL DIDNT LEARN THAT ASKING PEOPLE TO REPORT IS AGAINST RULES. Yes, you were toxic, yes this is punishable offense. And yes, since you are repeated offender, this deserves a permanent ban. Teammates even warned u that you are being toxic, and what you did, you started telling enemy team whats going on in your chat, and asking them to report people. Also saying "griefing" 50 times in one game, just to try to boost your report value, is toxic aswell.

DrCyanide3 votes

Rule of thumb, if it will get you a 10-game chat restriction it will get you a permaban, it's just a matter of continuing that behavior after a 2-week ban.

That said, this doesn't look like it warrants even a 10-game chat restriction.

Something smells fishy... Fizz Nami TahmKench

MeilinII3 votes

It's asking for reports. Asking for reports is considered harassment by RIOT

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

Bard is a free spirit, don't ever try and tell him where to go, what to do or how to play.

PlatypusSurprise2 votes

Asking for other people to report someone is harassment and believe it or not it does not matter if 1 person reports someone or 9 people, it just flags riot to look at their account.

Also I'm guessing you had other things like chat restrictions and a lesser game time ban before this so I doubt you got permabanned for just this.

Bowstin2 votes

Check out my recent discussion that talks about fixing issues similar to this.

Just scroll through the wall of text, there's a TL;DR at the bottom.

Xions3k2 votes

Well, the first chat log isn't that toxic but, you were still unsportmanlike and being unsportmanlike isn't good for you and for your team. Even if there is a troll in your team, it don't gives you the right to bully this troll or give him attention. You got reported because you had an negative attitude at the end and you were unsportmanlike. I'm waiting for the next chat lag because there is alimit of 2 or 3. If not, you are just trolling and got a chat restriction by pretneding you were perma banned for this.

Hippolyta2 votes

I beleive also this guy is innocent ... its looks rioters scrach theirs balls and dont care to give justice

qetzel1 votes

It has been two hours and the Rioters have jobs to do. Come on man - give it some time.

FatedDarkly1 votes

And if an unarmed black man gets shot by the Police, it must of been for a good reason.

Firu1 votes

I doubt you got permanent banned without having a pattern of previous bad behavior (and the escalation of punishment).

FatedDarkly1 votes

Anyone trying to get another bad player on my team to stop trolling deserves 10 skins, in my books. Riot just doesn't address the real problem of trolls, and the ones trying to stop teh trolling get punished teh worst.

Jorencice4 votes

Because there is LITERALLY NO POINT IN YELLING AT THEM.

Do you seriously think the troll is going to go "oh man I didn't realize you guys didn't like it when I troll. I'm sorry I'll stop now"

Because they wont. The only thing your accomplishing by yelling at them is adding more strife to your team and feeding the troll.

FatedDarkly1 votes

{quoted}

Because there is LITERALLY NO POINT IN YELLING AT THEM.

Do you seriously think the troll is going to go "oh man I didn't realize you guys didn't like it when I troll. I'm sorry I'll stop now"

Because they wont. The only thing your accomplishing by yelling at them is adding more strife to your team and feeding the troll.

It didn't begin with yelling. There are even minimum caps compared to what i've seen.

KiyoYoshimaru1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ward Baron,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=84lzoqQI,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2016-01-29T02:05:53.944+0000)

https://i.gyazo.com/1ac2710adaf06db55883ed19d898b845.png

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

This post might help you: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ENOw3GtM-permanently-suspended-common-posts-and-common-answers

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