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Chatrestricted from being abused by a 3 man premade?

Eyre··2 votes·2,876 views

I'm extremely sad that I just got chat-restricted for the first time ever (league player since S2), as I considered myself to be a pretty non-toxic player. I was recently in a game with a 3 man premade, where I suffered immense abused. The warwick was premade with mid and top, and spent all his time there, while the enemy team jungler invaded our bot 24/7. I've suggested the Warwick to apply some bot pressure and then our mid lane started swearing at me (including death threats, suck my genitals, etc). The Warwick and our midlaner then throughout the game pinged my death every time, pinged my items, (they kept pinging the fact that I had 35 Ability Power when it was from the frostfang as MF support), calling me worthless, etc. Then their top friend also started joining the party. They also controlled All-Chat and told everyone how useless I was and that I should be reported. It didn't helped that our adc also joined in the tirade against me. So now it's literally 4 people flaming me, and of course I get heated. The most I said was insulting their game knowledge and calling them idiots/dumb a** who didn't know how to played the game. I mentioned our midlaner's 0 vision score a couple of times, and the fact that he/she only got ahead because of my mid roam that got her 2 kills. We lost the game, and I started the next one, only to find out I got chat-restricted. I can only assumed that I got 4x reported by my team mates, which is so unfortunate because considering the amount of shit I went through that game, I feel like any aggressive comments I made (calling them idiots) were warranted, but if you were to just take what I said in that game at simply face-value then I can only respect the decision and not agree with the decision to chat-restrict me. However, I do hope that that all four of them receive, even more justified, chat resitrictions

Edit: I also find out that this resets my honor level. Actually, I think it's extremely unjustified and I'm upset. I will be quitting this game after 6 years.

29 Comments

zPOOPz4 votes

post chatlogs

Arisha the Dark3 votes

There is no such thing as "autoban bots". System does not punish players based on amount of reports received. It doesn't matter if you play with 4 pre-mades, all 4 of them can report you all they want it will not ban you if you haven't flamed. No discussion here.

And if you did flame, it does not matter if you were "baited" into it by your teammates. It is your behaviour that is reviewed. If you reported them, their behaviours will also be reviewed each on their own.

Eyre2 votes

I know it does not matter, hence I got chat-restricted. My point is that I think it should matter because context is always important.

Either way, the only person that knows what happened in that game was my four team toxic team mates, and I. Riot's auto system can chat-restrict me, but I know that the the sh** and abuse that I went through with my 4 toxic team mates would have heated anyone, and that I'm not angry at myself at all for what happened. This is an injustice that I will have to live with, and in return, i will no longer be showing any support to this company.

Arisha the Dark1 votes

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I know it does not matter, hence I got chat-restricted. My point is that I think it should matter because context is always important.

Either way, the only person that knows what happened in that game was my four team toxic team mates, and I. Riot's auto system can chat-restrict me, but I know that the the sh** and abuse that I went through with my 4 toxic team mates would have heated anyone, and that I'm not angry at myself at all for what happened. This is an injustice that I will have to live with, and in return, i will no longer be showing any support to this company.

It is not "unjustice", it's exactly the way it's intended to work. Riot can see logs of your teammates, they choose not to. Because when it comes to bans in this game, context does not matter. As I said it is your behaviour that is reviewed and if you reported them, their behaviour is also reviewed. Who started does not matter.

Chermorg3 votes

There is no Injustice. You're responsible for your actions, regardless of what else happened in the game. If you chose not to mute the other players, that's your choice.

Regardless of what they were doing, it does not justify toxicity on your part.

OJPhoenix2 votes

{quoted}

There is no Injustice. You're responsible for your actions, regardless of what else happened in the game. If you chose not to mute the other players, that's your choice.

Regardless of what they were doing, it does not justify toxicity on your part.

But, can you clarify a few things about how the system works:

  1. Are games checked, to see if toxic behavior is provoked, resulting in punishment for them as well, or do we need to report it?

  2. Do multiple bans from a single game result in anything happening automatically? ie. are premade groups more likely to cause punishment if they gang up on a single player?

Chermorg5 votes

Provoking or not does not matter. Behavior is either toxic, in which case it is punished regardless of if someone responds or not, or it is not toxic and is not punished even if someone else got "triggered" by it. Players' behavior is checked when it is reported, regardless of other reports against other players.

No, there is absolutely no way for people to "gang up" on someone as multiple reports do nothing.

MirrorU2 votes

You're wrong, and you know you're wrong, we've had this conversation before and I've proven you wrong. Please stop lying to the community by saying things like "there's no way to get ganged up on". Because that's a straight up lie.

SSJTribe5 votes

Not really sure about your previous conversations with Chermorg, but from the person who wrote the IFS program himself, 1 report is the same as 9 reports.

MirrorU2 votes

Yea I talked to the person who wrote the program, he linked 1 line of code and refused to link the rest that gives it context, which tells me he's full of it, and as you will find if you search threads about reports there are countless players saying exactly the same thing. When you get multi reported by a team u get a autoban strike against you, it's very much so not 1 = 9, it's more like 3-4 = autopenality.

Chermorg4 votes

Where is your proof 3-4 = auto penalty? How do you know how many players are reporting within a game?

MirrorU2 votes

Like I've told you on 2 other threads, look at the player behavior threads, there are TONS of threads reporting this very same thing, it would be 1 thing if it was just me or like me and 2 other people but it's literally hundreds of people saying the exact same thing "I was trolled by a team they all reported me and I got suspended or banned". That's not a coincidence. If you wanna stick your head in the sand and pretend like nothing's happening that's fine, but don't lie to people and say things like "1 report = 9 reports" that's just flat out lie.

Chermorg5 votes

No, there are not. I want you to link any thread where someone has somehow found a way to know how many times they were reported.

You are inventing numbers that do not exist and when asked to prove them you consistently refuse to link your "proof" - because there is no way to know how many times a player was reported.

MirrorU1 votes

Pre-Game MirrorU: im gonna run exhaust MirrorU: but its not a good comp on our side right now MirrorU: they have severe counters for most of our positions In-Game MirrorU: armor wont matter they have vayne MirrorU: thats not how vayne works MirrorU: even if shes behind she still hits with true damage MirrorU: shes not like nasus MirrorU: yea i mean if shes like 3 lvls behind MirrorU: but thats rare MirrorU: nj MirrorU: wtf are u pinging at? MirrorU: ... MirrorU: shes really bad MirrorU: as compared to what? MirrorU: ur already 0/2 MirrorU: no and unlike u it shows MirrorU: but plz keep tilting, it'll be great when i report u MirrorU: true MirrorU: yea MirrorU: 3 bot MirrorU: y would they camp u MirrorU: *wouldnt MirrorU: stay with me i have shields MirrorU: its called not feeder build MirrorU: you shoudl try it sometime MirrorU: and ur 12/8 MirrorU: and im 8/6 im a support MirrorU: we've been at a huge disadvantage since team select MirrorU: that hasnt changed Post-Game MirrorU: gg plz report kat toxic int feeder

This was noted as 1 of the games I got chat restricted for now go ahead tell me it wasn't because I was multi-reported, tell me it was because i was "toxic". Proof that your autoban system is 100% based on multi-reporting and NOT on toxicity.

Chermorg1 votes

You were toxic here - constantly trying to coach others, then constantly blaming them.

MirrorU1 votes

That's not toxic at all, and if you think it is you're part of the problem with this community. This a human acting human, I wasn't cursing at them, I wasn't telling calling them out for bad plays, it's become obvious that you're a really sad advisor who has no idea what toxicity actually looks like.

Chermorg1 votes

I strongly encourage you to create a new thread with your logs. Given that this thread is over a month old, I'm not going to respond here anymore, and this thread is being locked as it is appropriate to refer this discussion to a new thread (which I hope to see you create).

Note that "being human" doesn't excuse your poor behavior. If you want to just "be human" feel free to sell your computer, house, clothes, and go be a human. If you wish to be a part of society, abide by society's rules for appropriate behavior.

Arisha the Dark3 votes

{quoted}

But, can you clarify a few things about how the system works:

  1. Are games checked, to see if toxic behavior is provoked, resulting in punishment for them as well, or do we need to report it?

  2. Do multiple bans from a single game result in anything happening automatically? ie. are premade groups more likely to cause punishment if they gang up on a single player?

  1. No, if you are reported only your chat logs are checked. Because flaming after being provoked is still flaming. If you want people who flamed you to be reviewed you should report them.

  2. I'll try to explain to you how system works.

When you are reported, you are flagged for system to review your chat logs in a match in which you were reported. If system finds nothing toxic in your chat logs, report is discarded. If it finds something toxic, it adds it to your total count of matches in which you were toxic, until you were toxic in enough matches to be chat restricted/banned.

Getting 2 or more reports in same match will not make system review your chat logs more than 1 time. It will simply see that you were reported in that single match and review your chat logs. So no, multiple reports in same match do the same thing 1 does. That is why asking your teammates or enemy to report someone is considered toxic and is actually reportable and bannable.

OJPhoenix3 votes

{quoted}

Provoking or not does not matter. Behavior is either toxic, in which case it is punished regardless of if someone responds or not, or it is not toxic and is not punished even if someone else got "triggered" by it. Players' behavior is checked when it is reported, regardless of other reports against other players.

No, there is absolutely no way for people to "gang up" on someone as multiple reports do nothing.

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  1. No, if you are reported only your chat logs are checked. Because flaming after being provoked is still flaming. If you want people who flamed you to be reviewed you should report them.

  2. I'll try to explain to you how system works.

When you are reported, you are flagged for system to review your chat logs in a match in which you were reported. If system finds nothing toxic in your chat logs, report is discarded. If it finds something toxic, it adds it to your total count of matches in which you were toxic, until you were toxic in enough matches to be chat restricted/banned.

Getting 2 or more reports in same match will not make system review your chat logs more than 1 time. It will simply see that you were reported in that single match and review your chat logs. So no, multiple reports in same match do the same thing 1 does. That is why asking your teammates or enemy to report someone is considered toxic and is actually reportable and bannable.

I appreciate this clarification, it is good to know for sure there is indeed no gang up effect in place. I will make sure if I run into any problemetic people, I'll ignore and report them.

Percentages3 votes

I got flamed for suggesting that when the reports go in, showing the entire chat log instead of what you said, so people, devs, bots, w/e can get a clearer picture of whats going on, but trolls like that shield I guess and I got mad down votes lol.

MirrorU1 votes

They don't want to show a clearer picture, because they know if you show the entire picture they'll be proven as the lying hypocrites they are. It will show that their autoban bot system is complete garbage, and as a result will prove that they've effectively ruined the game by putting trolls behind a firewall.

MirrorU2 votes

This is a super common problem that I brought to the attention of the devs, they frankly don't give a shit. In the face of overwhelming amounts of people saying exactly what you've just said about premades literally trolling players and then reporting in a group which triggers autoban bots to punish/ban the players who was abused account. Simply put they don't care, they will act like they do but they won't do shit to fix it. So do what I did, never invest a dime in this game, no matter what account you're on never 1 cent. This trash company doesn't deserve our money since they want to keep treating their player base like they don't matter.

Eyre1 votes

Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the sympathy. That game just left an awful feeling and then to be chat-restricted from it? I honestly feel extreme frustration and sadness from this injustice. I definitely won't be spending any more money in this game, and I may quit as well. I just found out that honors get reset to 0, and this may seems like a small issue, but I was honor 5 last season, and again, as I mentioned in the thread, I actually pride myself as someone who is non-toxic, so to get chat-restricted by the system actually feels awful for me as a person.

I most likely won't be touching this game any longer because I don't feel like I should even play 9 more games to unlock the chat-restriction and that it's an insult to me. It'll be hard to fight the temptation to ever play again, but I'm just going to remember this exact moment on how I feel how much Riot wronged me.

Thanks for letting me vent/sharing your comment. I already feel much better.

MirrorU2 votes

Not a problem, don't let the toxic community in this game get you down, that's what they want to do, so don't give them the satisfaction!

Baka Red1 votes

Your premade teammates have no extra power over solo players in regards to reporting system. The only power they have over solos is that they can gang up socially on a solo player. We could even argue that premade have less power than solos in regards to IFS itself (even if all four premade report you, it still counts as one report for IFS. You on the other hand can report them all.)

When you meet a troll/griefer (be it a solo or premade troll/griefer), you should mute him/them, never talk back, play the game to the end as well as you can, and report them. At that point your duty to clear out the scum from league is done and your account is safe. After that you can forget the trolls/griefers, since it is IFS's turn to do it's job.

Please note; since you have now received a punishment, IFS is looking at your deeds more closely now and you might get punished more easily and with the escalated punishments you will eventually lose your account if you don't fix your behavior. Therefore please behave. You can still use the chat (once your restriction is over) but you should always use it in positive way or you risk being punished. As a bonus, positive chat use will help you climb out of the dishonored players' pit.

Vlada Cut2 votes

Happened to me twice, once with 4 premades and the other time 3 premades. It made me hate premade players because they can either all be bad performing or straight up salty spamming 'cyka blyat' and other silly things. But of course it's my fault for not taking mature actions such as muting them(reporting is a necessity nowsdays, duh) so yeah... After getting advices from few peeps and advicors I learned how to deal with premades that weren't mine. Proof? Yesterday I solo q'd for a normal draft match and was matched with other 4 players who were premades(and same country too, yikes), they banned my declared pick on top lane and when I asked why, displeased but not infuristed that is. One of them(assumably their party leader) who banned my pick straight up said 'I don't give a ****'. After arguing about it he said '4 reports perma ban bye bye cyka blyat', which is silly considering I hadn't said anything ban worth in champ select, stacking reports doesn't equal a success ban as long as you did nothing wrong(if not, exactly the oposite in their favor), perma ban wasn't my final warning and the fact they kept swearing in a foreign language lol. So, during the game I was Camille, dominated my lane, helped other lanes, even TP ganked our adc(the salty chips dude), saved few of them who were on low hp from getting shutted down, etc. Although few of those premades kept leaving me to die, we still won and I carried the game. :) So yes, as long as you do alright in-game and do/say nothing wrong they can't do much to stop you from being awesome, im fact they'll get salty enough to write bam-worthy reports yourself. Keep your cool and stay awesome! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KZ Engel1 votes

"abused" jesus christ

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