Stop going straight to toxicity and stop and think...Help Riot out for once..

ReallyDntCare··1 votes·997 views

Look guys...you do not have to listen to me but I think you guys are going about the game changes, complaints, comparisons, and explanations all wrong. You guys are spreading the toxicity even if your post is well thought out. You need to stop blaming Riot for things. Use your brains and try to logically counter whats said. Cant fight ignorance with ignorance, it just spreads. If we stop going for the pitch forks and torches and start an actual post that doesn't require a one sided argument we could probably have a great conversation of valid points and worth someones time like me who likes reading peoples thoughts that have creativity not the same basic trash talk that everyone in the world has said. There is probably nothing you can say to me I haven't heard already. A lot of posts I have seen are just complaints and irrelevant things I myself have done a couple of complaints just ranting but looking at it from a third eye view. You can see without realizing it everything you guys complain about are almost identical as in raging and cuss words and unprofessional. Now removing comments or posts are not okay unless it really is vulgar, inhumane, typical insulting reasons, or targeting someone specific, or even if its just plain whining its still someone trying to cry for help they just don't know how to word it. Now I agree it feels like Riot is not reading anything or ignoring the real comments but that's not entirely true.

The many many people that play this game how could they possibly see your post over everyone, maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet?. The key to winning your everyday struggle with climbing is patience, not to flame Riot until they do something about it. For example a post like "oh i love league and I know you guys know how i feel and hate playing with garbage and wasting 45 mins of my time with losers" but that comment there I just made is ignorant itself. If i was a Rioter id read that title or the first sentence and probably be able to compare you to another guy who only sees their side over others. I think Riot should attempt on some of the posts or maybe a private message to players to see if they can get down to the real issue instead of trying to stay away because that person is "Toxic." Yes some instances people go through are actually unfair and they do contact Riot support and some do get helped.

There are a lot of people working for Riot and you guys are getting the people that just treat it like a job instead of a game they love and work for mixed up. There are some good people on Riot I have talked to and there are people I have talked to that I think shouldn't be representing Riot, it ruins their image. Now with that being said I have found this out from simply my own research through posts and Riot responses either to me or others and it is a personal opinion no facts but some of the Rioters respond as if they have the power no one can take away and some respond with time and compassion into full paragraphs either against the toxicity in a rude manner (The same as anyone in the world can have especially when you have so many players BMing everything you're trying to do as a company to help the players, cant make everyone happy just like you cant win them all). Yes you guys are the people and have a say because without the league community their is not a league of legends game but like my previous point we need patience. Riot is doing what they can one at a time while still trying to make new content to please you guys. Take more consideration what they have on their plate before making a post. Imagine how you would feel if everything you say was taken out of context or people don't understand where you're coming from, sounds familiar huh? Kinda like your posts being deleted. Riot goes through the same things and it could maybe not mean that they are ignoring it but maybe based off the history of comments and threads some are just not worth looking at.

Think about it when you scroll through the thread you think hmm no no and OK lets see what they talk about on this one...then go oh never mind another complaint one maybe an up vote on a few comments or a few down votes here and there. People are random you cant just place people in some sort of bracket just because its their "job" or that's who they work for so they must all be like that. That's such a small minded comment not stupid just sounds like it came from someone who doesn't think before they talk. I started to understand Riots point of view since I've worked customer service over the phone which is no way to tell how you really feel its just a guy on the other line. Gotta watch what you say or you'll get sued or hated on or complained to your manager about. To think that the people who misrepresent Riot are not individually dealt with is absurd. If a company has bad apples they will slowly pick them off the tree. Yes you guys are Riots main squeeze when it comes to success but you gotta understand its not always about the money its more about the reputation.

I bet you guys would feel a million times better if Riot starting posting all the bad apples they found what they did and how they took care of them but honestly its none of our business and that would ridicule that person forever no one deserves that. You online animals can be ruthless because its just a screen you're talking to. Now imagine if someone found out who you were and blasted your information on the internet for everyone to see to mess with you everyday. Its not gonna be cool. You can tell by my name I don't care talk your mess to me I ignore most things said sometimes I respond with logic and it makes people even more mad its super funny lol but don't confuse personal logic with general logic. There is a difference in logic because how you perceive something may not be how someone else thinks it and that's just the beauty of diversity there is no right answer with personal decisions because they are all unique and personal logic is used after general logic is already known. If that makes sense for you guys LOL.

So back to my original point if anyone cared to read this and yea its kinda cliche whatever since you got this far I must remind you stop spreading the toxicity. So when someone posts and ignorant post just down vote don't comment because you're just pouring gasoline on the fire. It gets nowhere and to the back of the feed with down votes because of how unpleasant the comments are to read or the post its not worth any ones time unless you're looking for laughs like me or a pointless argument like others.. Some people actually post real comments though that should be heard but they are drowned, down voted, or ideals ridiculed by the people that don't take the post seriously or to those who take it too serious. Look I know there's bound to be a post here like why did this guy write so much no one cares but that just proves my point. If you feel like its a pointless post don't come here to comment it makes no sense you don't want to read it but you want to hate on it? How can you hate on something you don't know? Don't assume because we all know what that means. So I'm not posting this for someone to care or for any stupid votes at all down vote it all you want you'll just further prove my point that this board is only toxic people and there's no point to post anything with logical or sentimental value like a real board should consist of. You reflect it on the board it will reflect in the game.

Understand the problem with the game being the way it is now good for some and bad for some is because of the imbalance of people that just want to play and not type at all to the people that always have something to say. Now granted in game if you wanna ping and talk about come to drag or baron or go here or come on help me all the time I'm all for it in chat and I'll do what I can but anything else just get over yourself even if you are right at that point and time what does it really accomplish? Stop trying to have the last word. I am guilty of doing it just like anyone else is but unlike others that I've seen I've learned to understand both sides and it wasn't because of Riots bans or chat bans just part of growing up. It gets old talking to brick walls. None of the punishments help anyone they just make people more mad because the system needs some kinks worked out. If a Rioter sees this please check on that ban system you think it works it honestly doesn't. Not just because, oh the guy talking mess isn't banned yet, Its simply because I've noticed in my games (and others that I have no relations to) have gotten bans from just the majority vote. Think about it the way the system seems like its designed for now is not by words but by majority rules. Honestly that's a great system because that's democracy at its finest however what I mean by the systems flaw is that is doesn't cooperate with the way the world works now a days. That system only works in a perfect world where people are honest and true. Too many people are abusing the majority vote and you can see it clearly because people have said some outrageous things on this game like I mean like wow why didn't you get banned right away mid game. LOL I'd gladly play a game that registers in game texts right away and people are banned right away when they say something outlandish. It would help so much and let the players focus so the system does its own work. Id say based off the silly way people talk now a days shouldn't be too hard to input the real words or sayings that cause tilt in some people.

So the differences between this post and other post's are that this post has a body, some details, personal experiences, no cuss words, no hating on anyone, and no hate towards Riot or Rioters or any players I'm just talking to anyone who cares to hear or wants to talk about it or even those who point out things I said that don't make sense or if someone has a different opinion from what I say and just wants to share. I won't be mad, promise. What I'm simply saying though is based off of what I've seen and heard I've developed my own opinions.

My best possible solution to the banning system is to not have reports at the end of the game. Instead make the bans during the game that way no one has to worry if they get to play the next game with chat active or if they get to play at all or have to think about getting that report in at the end of the game and trying to get some cult together to vote against someone to get them banned, it's really sad. I've seen people banned for asking to report someone over people who actually use racial slurs or unacceptable language and manner. Call me a liar all you want people I have seen this and how do I know? It's because you can report someone and when its successful those who reported get a thank you for your feedback notice once disciplinary action is taken. I've reported almost everyone who drops racial slurs, racist name, degrading name, and ill mannered attitude but I very very rarely get a feedback card and that's because I've been toxic before and my names like flagged or whatever so my votes are almost non existent (May not be true but it just feels that way) and it's like well what if I'm trying to change things around? Do good for a change? Why compare me to others who have way worse dialog and treat me the same when my toxicity is really not that bad. I feel like because I said you suck lol but its OK i'll still get banned? Makes no sense (Again may not be true but it just feels that way sometimes). Lets be honest though what's a game without the competitive part of it? Especially in a ranked setting where stats matter. I understand the game is meant for fun but ranked is not for fun its for serious game play. You don't care about your rank why ruin it for others? If you want to play for fun go play normal that's what its for experiments and fun times with nothing mattering it still takes stats so you can look at it so just stay on normal people lets get ranked back to the way it should be.

Stop being a sore loser you cant win every game. Now that's another issue that cant be fixed yet but maybe the in game ban could sort those people out too.. Anyway doesn't matter anything close to whats not allowed when you're already on a warning instantly feels like it ignores your report and you're the one in trouble like come on at least get us both a ban lol not to be petty about it but why does it always feel like one or the other receives the ban? I'll take the handicap for the removal ban in game even if its ranked simply because toxicity like that is downright unwanted and its not something pleasant to look at after you wanna try something out to get out of the box and try to get the lead because the game can always be turned around with teamwork. I do agree it in normal should be the place to try things but have you thought about the people that have tried it in normal and then wanted to bring it to ranked to see if it truly works? So what if it doesn't actually work. It doesn't give you the right to shut someones dreams down like that. That person who tried it probably already feels bad or learned how to do it right or knows another way to try.. You always have to try its not ever over (Unless its like 50 -2 lets be real that's crazy ff that... lol...or you can try to play smarter and slower as a team). If the game is a loss its fine you can make it up in the next game. People climb so its not impossible and these bad teammates thing yea its a thing get over it some people are just not naturally good at gaming so you have to make up for it and accept that not everyone you play with is going to master their champ even if they have played rank a lot every game is different (Oh quick tip stop comparing your last game and use same builds to the next game because it could be a completely different outcome).

The only way to climb is be more than you were last game and do it every time til you can understand how to use your leads to take over the game. Be more aggressive but conservative and most importantly efficient cant give you any tips because everyone plays different that's the beauty of the game. Its like chess same pieces always but they can be used differently to take over the board with little to no losses or by simply being the last piece. I wrote so much because I hope people see this and really agree or add their opinions to help make this games mentality change. I don't care if its 1-5 ratio any progress to help the community is progress. What I don't like is people who come on here and think they can drop a comment and be like yea i bet i ruined his day LOL no one has time for you or your comments because it has no value. Stop being a part of the problem be a person for a minute. Saying something that you thought out or came to you after reading this or even have just been meaning to say I'd love to hear it because anyone can make a comment but its a person not a robot (Or a product of society as I like to call it lol) to say something with context and true emotion. So yea I did have a lot of time and yea i do like this game probably a lot more than anyone I know LOL. I just honestly don't want a good game to go under because people cant see the game is not the issue its the world and the community around it. Anyway I'm surprised they didn't cap my message yet LOL

I wrote so much LOL but before I find a cap lets just end this with a thank you very much for taking the time to read this. It truly is a good feeling when your voice is heard (Or for you literals if your words are read as well lol) and if you didn't read it all and scrolled to the bottom about halfway thank you for trying. I'm just a guy talking to the computer here anyway and I meant everything I said so if you're looking for jokes move along but I believe one step at a time we can make ranked matter again. LOL

34 Comments

DárkFlameMáster 2 votes

You're right op, all these haters just want their precious game to stay the same.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Yea people are always afraid of change. Sad because with change comes opportunity.

Kei1432 votes

So I finally got to read the whole thing.

I'd just like to let you know that the behavioral system doesn't operate based on a majority voting system. It punishes players based on consistency x severity, before getting punished.

An easier way to explain how the system works:

  1. Get reports
  2. Check the player's chat for toxicity
  3. Assign a grade for that game, e.g. 0=no toxicity and 100=used hate speech
  4. add the toxicity grade to the existing behavioral system. If they go over a certain threshold (maybe 100 pts?), they will get punished.

Multiple reports within the same game won't change the grade one person receives. The system was purposefully programmed this way to prevent pre-mades abusing the solo guy.

What matters most is where a player is in accordance to their behavioral history. If they keep doing mild toxicity (like calling people bad) over 100 games, they will get punished.

Riot certainly punishes hate speech pretty hard, while I did say hate speech = 100 pts, we really don't know what Riot's formula is and what the threshold is. But we've seen people use hate speech and not get punished and people whom were normally good use hate speech once and got 14-day banned. So more clarity there would certainly be appreciated.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

LOL i appreciate you so much for reading it. Its more of a personal story and opinion rather than a rant like these others claim it is right?

I'm not mad at all when i was writing it more so looking for a more gathered solution. See I thought it really works that way but it does feel 4-9 votes are definitely more noticed than one report and it feels like that because usually when i get a chat ban my logs are not that toxic at all I'm simply pointing things out or explaining what happened but the game is so used to the whole let the players play bad they are learning. I'm all for the learning and picking yourself up and coming back stronger but the community is abusing the ban system for people like me because i want to type fast in game so i'm not wasting time and i'll type something like "dont do that, stay back and just wait for me dude, or hey stick with the team stop going on your own" then a omg here from my game play or i say wack from my own game play. I never talk about someone else's game play besides my own because i understand not every game is gonna be a killer one. Thats where the problem lies with the system being black and white because you take what i say with what i previous said it looks like im badgering them because there are no time stamps nor are there all chat or team chat differences. Some of the reason i got banned was for friendly trash talk to my lane opponent to make it more fun and it definitly boosts the other players ego when they beat you and im all for it cuhz im in it for the sport of things and i dont mind losing. Now those same games il ask team for help or they will trash talk me and then give me the cold shoulder bagging on me and its like chill lol i got ganked they are focusing me i mean thats the game help me out and il report them after and no notice that something happened like cmon someone like that cant possibly be a one game offender. I dont wanna get lost again in my mind typing do you kinda understand what i mean? Time stamps and all chat and team chat difference would help the community a million times more to correct behavior instead of exile everyone its not an open community that way we might as well play ai.

Kei1432 votes

I think you can get time stamps in your logs if you turned on time stamps in game.

Still you don't get punished for 1 game of mild stuff. So you probably are mildly toxic without knowing you are mildly toxic.

If you wish, you can contact https://support.riotgames.com , ask them for a copy of your chat logs when you were previously punished and post them here. We can help you understand what has caused you to cross the grey area and punished. If you want to keep it private, you can have a chat with the Riot support staff and get more insight.

Kei1431 votes

hmmmm... possible to split this up into paragraphs to make it easier to read?

ReallyDntCare1 votes

yea thought about that after....lol should i repost? I kinda just talk and typed xD

Kei1431 votes

eh ... do whatever you want. If you repost, just make sure you delete the old post.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

I'm not gonna read it all, just gonna tell you that your opinion will change. Absolving Riot of any blame is ridiculous, and the word toxicity has lost its meaning.

ReallyDntCare2 votes

if you dont wanna waste your time reading it dont comment because your comment has no value to anything i said nor is it even on the same topic. smart guy.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

You're obviously really young, so I'll tell you this: nobody wants to hear your rants that aren't even thought out.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Well you're obviously oblivious to what I wrote and if you're older than you prolly don't install good morals to the youth. No one asked you to be here either. If you weren't simple minded and could comprehend what I said then you'd realize its not a rant and for us to come together as a community and maybe riot can help but it ultimately start with us. So take your ignorance somewhere else because this was a post for people that feel some type of way about the game and its community and if people like you exist in it there is definitely an issue. Lighten up old man hate is never the answer. Instead you could have wrote "Hey man this post is kind of long and somethings are redundant and I don't have time to read it can you short hand it for me" If you don't care that's cool didn't ask you too. Simply wanted to give you and example of how to talk because obviously you didn't learn anything from your parents with that attitude.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

It's hard to comprehend anything you type because it's just one long run-on sentence. You are communicating badly.

This is a public forum, and just as you can post long winded nonsense, I can post how I feel about it. Try removing the word and from your posts. If you change subjects, change sentences, hell maybe even paragraphs. There is nothing hateful about my posts.

Your posts are incoherent.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Its not hard to comprehend at all you're just not taking the time to read it nor do you have the desire to read it. So this isn't a school project who cares if its not written completely proper its just thought no right way to write thought just write them.

Yes its a public forum but it doesnt give you the right to go on everyones forum and attempt to ridicule them simply because the post isnt a fit for you. Doesnt make sense stop hating and move on again i have to repeat cause obviously you internet gangsters dont understand. If your comment has no value or you dont want to add to this discussion move on.

Someone already stated it was all together and hard for people to follow along and he stated it kindly and what did i do? Didnt bash on him I separated it so it was a lil more easier to follow along.

Your post are negative not need and just plain dumb. You are not superior over anyone so get the fuck off your high horse and go somewhere else with your useless and uneducated comments.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

I'm educated enough to use commas.

If you are gonna whine about people's replies then don't post. Simple as that, wit yo simple ass. See, you don't have to be proper for things to be understandable!

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Lol you're the one complaining about my post. You're hilarious and these comments are going no where so if you wanna reply to get the last word that's fine.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

Nowhere is one word. It's not the last one though.

Nobody cares about your incoherent rambling. Please refrain from sharing your idiocy with the rest of the world.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

I'll continue to post however I want whenever I want and whatever I want to post about but thank you for your input. I appreciate all comments. Take your own advice because the way I see it you are the only one that is sharing idiocy with the world with your ignorant comments lol it's fun talking to you tho you seem so mad lol

SkullDuggery19191 votes

Stay in school. Maybe you should focus on homework instead of playing league.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Lol makes sense cuhz I play all day everyday right? And I still go to school right? Lol nice assumptions son. Stop thinking because it's not your strong suit. Lol

SkullDuggery19191 votes

Maybe you need a tutor? You're clearly failing English.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Lol so petty and so dense. Grow up.

SkullDuggery19191 votes

One day you will grow up, and hopefully realize that telling other people to grow up is a sign of immaturity.

Awf Meta1 votes

At the risk of being rude, this is the "swipe" generation.

Swipe left if you disagree. Swipe right if you agree. Move on to the next swipe. No critical thinking. No prolonged consideration. AKA laziness.

These forums are not the birth place of societal change. Vague rant over.

ReallyDntCare2 votes

Then don't comment on it. I clearly stated for those who have time and want something to read. Don't waste your time posting things like that this isn't Instagram or Tinder for a swipe and a like this is a board that opens discussions so you're in the wrong board son. You don't wanna add input don't comment simple. I said just move on if it doesn't concern you.

Awf Meta1 votes

My point was you are dealing with literally millions of people that don't want to read and think what so ever. Good luck changing the world with your ramblings on a video game forum.

By the way, I read most of your OP. If you ignore the vote system, you can occasionally find thoughtful discussions. For example (shameless plug): https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hYtJvM7W-punishment

ReallyDntCare2 votes

I know that I'm simply trying to find the minds that think a like. I don't play a game just to play it. I have to enjoy it so if the community is really full of people who dont care about the game like I do then I'm not just in the wrong board I'm playing the wrong game. One word of advice for you tho bro dnt be so jumpy with the obvious answers clearly i thought of everything as i was writing it I wasn't expecting millions of people to reply jus wanted to see a few that can share the same opinions or tell me what part was bad logic or just their thoughts an ideas you know jus to have a conversation? Just because it's not what everyone wants to do doesn't mean no one will. So like I said I appreciate your 2 cents and I understand where you're coming from however if it is not relevant to what I wrote then it's not relevant to put on this post. And as I stated in the end of the post I appreciate you for attempting to read.

Awf Meta1 votes

you know jus to have a conversation?

You rambled too much. I was overwhelmed and didn't know where to start.

clearly i thought of everything as i was writing it

What is there to discuss then?

BTW notice how there has been ZERO discussion in this thread? I'll leave you with a quote, because honestly, I don't think you want to have a fair discussion, I think you just want people to tell you you are right.

Socrates — 'The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing.'

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Its not scattered. Your brain is scattered I know this from reading your post. I could have put just bullet points for you simple minded people to understand but again this post was to give background of how i interpret things and how i analyze things. Now again just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its confusing. I'll say it again for you since negativity is your thing. In the very beginning i said you can listen to me or not but i think? Did i not? Which means that i'm going to talk for a minute to say somethings off my chest then il discuss why i wanted to bring this post up. Stop wasting both of our times talking about something that doesn't matter (Your feelings towards me) You don't know me or anything about me yet you judge me simply because i write alot? This world used to be about writing alot now you monkeys just wanna drop a few liners like you have some knowledge or superiority over someone. You quote is dumb as fuck and irrelevant maybe you understand it because it relates to you. Here's a quote for you from me "You aren't the only one in the world and the world doesn't revolve around you and how you feel." So have a nice day stop responding because these are like hate comments from youtube if i wanted comments like yours id put a vlog on youtube. So again stop wasting both of our time do yourself a favor get out of the house and spend a day with someone without your phone. It'll do you some good. Unless you have something constructive or positive to say i will no longer respond to you. So if you want the last word go ahead and respond because with people like you i've learned its more about winning than what is right.

Awf Meta1 votes

Perfect example in so many ways.

I mostly understand you. You just have 20,000 points in a single thread. AKA rambling.

If you want to have an actual discussion, take it one topic at a time. I don't think you want to have a discussion though. I think this is just a venting thread.

Once again, you aren't changing society with your rant on a video game forum. Who am I to stop you from trying though?

If you have specific questions about how the IFS works, I can probably answer them. I can tell you ahead of time though, there is no report weighting. One report will trigger an IFS review. Every ones reports are equal.

For general punishment discussion: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hYtJvM7W-punishment

For intentional feeder discussion: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/pFNZEqb4-lets-solve-together-int-feeding-detection-punishment

For discussing the forums vote system: (Fair warning, Riot doesn't have web designer, and the masses got mad when they removed the vote system.) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation

For venting your frustrations and bolstering your ego: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wEyE2E6X-stop-going-straight-to-toxicity-and-stop-and-thinkhelp-riot-out-for-once

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Sigh your comment is pointless and irrelevant yet again. No suprise.

Awf Meta1 votes

So much for letting me have the last word.

ReallyDntCare1 votes

Thought you had something valuable to say buht then I read it. Stop being petty.

Awf Meta1 votes

Pro tip: Bumping your thread with comments won't help. It is forever lost in the abyss now.

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