Banned for this?

thefooz87·Jan 4, 2016·3 votes·1,763 views

So this is my first and likely last post on the discussion boards for League. I started playing this game for fun, but over the past couple of years, started playing ranked, and noticed a much more competitive edge coming into my life for this game. I always wanted to reach that elusive plat or diamond ranking, but it's pretty difficult, if not downright impossible, to achieve as preferred support. Last month I logged in to see the following permaban report log:

Game 1 thefooz87: gj gj thefooz87: sorry :( thefooz87: gj guys thefooz87: keep it up thefooz87: i ping.... thefooz87: lmao thefooz87: this kalista's gonna be a complete b---h thefooz87: for the rest of the game thefooz87: nic thefooz87: nice thefooz87: cause i took a few cs thefooz87: gg thefooz87: kalista thefooz87: report her please thefooz87: report kalista please thefooz87: "its cause youre a f----t stay out of my lane ill just keep feeding her" thefooz87: 1/4/1 kalista definitely knows best thefooz87: i need help mid because our adc fed her thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: no desire to help this illaoi and asdc thefooz87: -adc thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: please report illaoi and kalista thefooz87: verbal abuse thefooz87: etc. thefooz87: "ward stfu kennen" thefooz87: "kennen a noob gtfo kennen a f-g dont feel like playing now" thefooz87: per our kalista thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: well, if kalista's just waitnign to report me, no point in playing thefooz87: lol thefooz87: gj team thefooz87: very nice!@ thefooz87: best ult na thefooz87: ok thefooz87: i can't land my ult thefooz87: sorry guys thefooz87: i'll split thefooz87: working towards thefooz87: void thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: gg wp

Game 2 thefooz87: -sigh- thefooz87: take small thefooz87: eh, take both thefooz87: f----ing lee sin thefooz87: glad he decided to join us thefooz87: gj being afk for the first 3 minutes thefooz87: pos thefooz87: doesn't matter, our jungler is so far behind now thefooz87: gg thefooz87: report ls please thefooz87: idgaf any more thefooz87: lee sin lost us the game thefooz87: afk for the first 3minutes thefooz87: died in jg thefooz87: came in for a bad gank thefooz87: flaming me thefooz87: :-
thefooz87: but gg wp bot thefooz87: lol thefooz87: eh thefooz87: we'd be doing a lot better if we didn't get f----ed early on thefooz87: Grats, you're fed thefooz87: our jungler was lvl 3 until like 7-8 minutes, lmao thefooz87: "a lot" thefooz87: two words thefooz87: learn english thefooz87: Until then, muted thefooz87: lol thefooz87: always 3-4 v 2 thefooz87: :-
thefooz87: you're playging well, elise thefooz87: gj thefooz87: Same to you mf thefooz87: lmao thefooz87: sorry riv thefooz87: we should have won this game thefooz87: |ROFL thefooz87: wow, nice job ls thefooz87: kick him out of turret range.... thefooz87: report ls please, trolling and bm'ing me since start of game thefooz87: Gg wp thefooz87: close one thefooz87: almost aced you thefooz87: sorry we lost bot trist thefooz87: you played pretty well thefooz87: nah thefooz87: gg wp

Game 3 thefooz87: gl hf thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: report poppy please thefooz87: unless she's going mid thefooz87: yeah, why leo's fault? thefooz87: there we go thefooz87: jg top thefooz87: glad we could make use of riven's flash and ignite being down thefooz87: oh wait thefooz87: no thefooz87: no we didn't thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: pos jg thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: team can't capitalize on summ's cd's thefooz87: lol thefooz87: gg i'm about done thefooz87: yep thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: because you don't pay f---all attention thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: not playing with this jg thefooz87: wp riven thefooz87: gg thefooz87: our jungler is f---ing dumb as f--- thefooz87: and baits me thefooz87: yea thefooz87: done thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: although riven does needs some nerfs thefooz87: LMOA thefooz87: and kha's telling me i suck thefooz87: ok thefooz87: no reason for me to play with this pos any more thefooz87: gl hf thefooz87: kha thefooz87: you f---ing blow thefooz87: don't blame your f---ing shit on me thefooz87: yup thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: can't do anything thefooz87: thanks for feeding top kha :D thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: please report kha thefooz87: and varus thefooz87: :D thefooz87: :) thefooz87: love to play with the trolls out today thefooz87: :-
thefooz87: kha feeding all early game thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: poppy flaming me thefooz87: kha flaming me thefooz87: no reason to play any more thefooz87: not with this team, anyways thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: idgaf any more thefooz87: this jg's been trolling me since the start :-0
thefooz87: nope, just blaming you for flaming me all game thefooz87: there it sis thefooz87: report varus and kha please

Please note I used dashes to replace letters, to avoid any issues with the discussion board. Foul language was used, but there is also an in-game filter that can be applied.

So I've had temporary bans in the past for toxicity (which, I'll admit, could be pretty bad, much worse than above), but recently received a perma-ban based on the above report card. Last I've checked, every one of the champs that were flaming me in the above games are still playing (honestly, it's been so long since my ban that I don't remember the player names that I was responding to; took a while for Riot to respond to my support ticket, but that's understandable with the holidays). In the time I've been banned, I was doing a lot of reading on the forums and learned that apparently asking for additional reports 1. does nothing, and 2. is apparently a reportable offense. I just find it interesting that I get placed on the same level as people using racial slurs, death threats, and sexual prejudices. It kind of seems like an issue when they want you to list specific things in chat in the post-game report menu, but also want you to mute the toxic players.

Also, when I said "i'm done" it was more of a venting than actual afk'ing. I guess I just find it intriguing that I'm deemed the most toxic in this game when I have encountered much worse (in my opinion) behavior from others. Again, not that that justifies my chat, but still...

I guess I'll just stick to watching streamers like Sirhcez, Scarra, and Imaqtpie play. Much less stressful and competitive knowing you can't do anything about the outcome of their games.

I'd like to hear other's opinions on the above chat, so if you have a moment, please leave a comment. Anyways, Happy New Year's and hope everyone had a good time over the holidays (except for the flamers in the game above :P)

37 Comments

Deftsu 3Jan 4, 20164 votes

The fact you do not think you were toxic shows exactly why you SHOULD have been banned. Go play basketball with some random people in a league, talk to them like that. Will you still be playing for said team? No. case closed.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

I didn't say I did not think I was not toxic, but I certainly do not think the above chat warrants a permaban.

Deep Terror NamiJan 4, 20162 votes

Punishment is dealt in 4 steps;

10 game chat restriction
25 game chat restriction
14 day account ban
Permanent account ban

No matter how mild the offenses were, if you already had a recent 14 day ban they will lead to a permanent ban next. It takes 3 months for the tier to drop down one step. (also, extreme behavior can result in escalated punishment)

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Would the above be classified as "extreme behavior"? My last ban was at the tail end of July and, as stated below in a comment, MUCH DESERVED. Not arguing that ban at all...

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Ah, nevermind, found an email with a ban at the end of November...sad day.

Deep Terror NamiJan 4, 20162 votes

I didn't even read it, and don't need to. I'm only providing you the information which explains why your punishment was a permanent ban and not something less harsh.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Fair enough.

Shadow SavageJan 4, 20162 votes

I got chat banned for 84 games one time lol

Telephone BoothJan 12, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Would the above be classified as "extreme behavior"? My last ban was at the tail end of July and, as stated below in a comment, MUCH DESERVED. Not arguing that ban at all...

No it's not extreme behavior... you need to stop comparing yourself to the worst of the worst. It's not about that, you've just been punished so many times before that you now get the same punishment that a person using racial slurs, death threats and sexual prejudices would get on their first offense (possibly). So no, these chats aren't extreme, but your consistent negativity gets you the boot.

MalicxsJan 4, 20162 votes

Let me start by letting you know I am Extremely Competitive and over 4 years Still Have Played less than 50 Ranked matches because I Hate losing that much. I was banned once for 2 weeks and all I can say is that after thinking it over, I realized that typing At someone i was never going to meet in real life and getting upset about it was worthless. Here's the thing,

why am i letting someone i don't know make me upset?..... (even if they are throwing a perfectly winnable game) The simple fact is i will NEVER See this person in real life and honestly i don't even need to lol with them EVER if i remember their Summoner Name.
why not just mute them? we all know that TILTing is by far the worst thing you can do and will make every game spiral out of control. If i ever have that much of a problem now days with someone acting silly, i just mute them. It is super easy and relieves so much stress its crazy. Without that toxic player typing away, you cant be bothered and can concentrate on the match. Yes, its hard to win a 4v5 but at least it doesn't make playing the 4v5 unbearable.
will I win this match if i tilt and just type back in response? The answer is 100% No. Every time Ive ever played into the argument all it did was make me more angry and made the match that much more unbearable. We ALL HATE wasting time playing a match we know is a loss, but sitting and arguing about it the whole time just causes resentment, and i HATE when that leads to plp NOT Surrendering just to make you tilt even more.
if im already tilted should i continue to play? After the first match if i was upset i might play one more. But after 2 strait balls busters if i'm upset I will force myself to stop and take a break. Like i said I Hate Losing........ am i gonna win more games if im already pissed and tilted before i start the next match?, NO, of course not. So why not take a break, get your mind off of the fact that your team just threw a 50min long game you could have won at 30 and try to remember why you started playing in the first place.

Im not saying i still dont get into it with plp sometimes, but i can say that i have started to like the game again and i feel like im winning more game..... (whether or not that true i have no idea) But i guess it all depends on how many times you've been banned. Should you have been banned for those chats? I wouldnt think so, my chat was way worse when i was banned, but like i said i was only banned once.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Thanks for the feedback, man. I agree with most of your points. However, there have been a few times where I get teamed up with players I reported in the previous game I played. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen, and the previous game is more than often brought up (whether by me or the other player; more often by them).

Also, muting only goes so far. If they refuse to gank your lane (if they're a jungler; I've had this happen multiple times) or come to steal CS, muting does nothing to address those issues. I had a jungler Teemo who fed the enemy team come to lane only to Q last hit minions. I was trying to carry that game but telling him to back off (in not-so-nice terms, only addressed him in like 5-6 messages in a 40+ message game) led to a 14 day ban.

BlueThingamajigJan 4, 20162 votes

Game 1: Firstly, mute, report, and move on. There is no need to call for reports, ever. No matter how much a turd people can be, you don't need to demean them. You don't need to agitate them. And you certainly don't need to bring a flame war into all chat.

I could forgive you for the first game. It was ugly, but not that bad

Second game: thefooz87: f----ing lee sin thefooz87: glad he decided to join us thefooz87: gj being afk for the first 3 minutes thefooz87: pos

Seriously? That's the second thing you said in the game. Maybe his game crashed. You could have said something like "don't worry about ganking, farm up the jungle, try to get back in the game" but instead you decide to be an ass. You had a choice in the beginning of the game to be a team player or a toxic burden. You choose the latter. And continued it throughout the game.

Third game Your second line was that of quitting. Even if you played your heart out that game, the tribunal would only see the text, which is a bad sign. And then you get to this

thefooz87: glad we could make use of riven's flash and ignite being down thefooz87: oh wait thefooz87: no thefooz87: no we didn't thefooz87: gg wp thefooz87: pos jg

Or maybe, you could have said something such as "Jg, can you come top to gank? Riven has no summs"

But no. Instead of being a team player, you get upset at the team not playing to exactly your specifications. You whine, complain, quit, and blame others

This isn't about calling for reports. This isn't about the slurs used by kalista in the first game. This is about you insulting your team, with the second word out of your mouth in each of the three games.

Back when I voted in the tribunal, I was on the lenient side of voters. Keep that in mind when i say that I would have decided to vote to punish at the end of the second game, and read the third game merely as a formality.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Fair enough, man. Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I think I was on tilt during those games and had a bad day for a couple of them. Appreciate the response.

Edit: Also, read about the "reportable offense" for asking for reports on another person during my ban over the holidays. Lesson learned...

Further edit: If his game crashed, the game would have announced "summoner reconnected," which it didn't, indicating he was afk. He also consistently kicked enemies out of my ult (I can't remember what champ I was playing, maybe Morg or Kennen?) and came into lane to die multiple times. Pretty frustrating, but I agree, probably not warranting the chat...

BlueThingamajigJan 4, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Fair enough, man. Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I think I was on tilt during those games and had a bad day for a couple of them. Appreciate the response.

Edit: Also, read about the "reportable offense" for asking for reports on another person during my ban over the holidays. Lesson learned...

There is a little bit of misinformation regarding "reported"

In the tribunal, if asking for reports was the ONLY offense (and it was only a few times in a game) I can guarantee it would result in a pardon.

However, very very very rarely the only offense. I can think of one or two cases where that was the case, pardon the double pun (if I could, I would actually check my tribunal voting history to link the case). Meanwhile, Lyte made a comment at some point which noted that one of the most used words of toxic players was "reported" or its variants. Furthermore, Riot issued bans to players who repeatedly and aggressively threatened reports on other players.

Between this and the very common advice of mute, report, and move on, it is easy to see how "reported" is claimed to be one of the most toxic words in the game

Mind you, there is never a need to call for reports. It is the easiest fix a player can make, learning to not call for reports, and threatening or calling for reports IS a negative and demeaning action. It isn't the worst, but it is correlated with that.

On a side note, I'd like to commend you for your calm and understanding reaction to the posts you've received in this thread. A willingness to take feedback and change is the most important of actually improving. Also, I feel my first post drifted into disdain at a certain point, which is most improper, and I apologize for that.

tl;dr asking for reports is on the not as bad bad things list you can learn from, compared to the other things I mentioned in my first post

ImmaneJan 4, 20162 votes

It's 3 chats of a guy complaining that his team mates were either verbally abusing him or going afk, both of which I think are bannable offenses right? So.. valid complaints? I mean, you could have been nicer about it or simply not complained but it seems to me like you're getting bullied a lot for being a bad player, and that's not right. Bullying naturally leads to this kind of behavior. They should be banning the teammates.

ScumbagZedJan 5, 20162 votes

if you've had previous bans any bad behaviour in the slightest will get you perma banned without question. I used to be a negative player, but after 2 banned accounts I learned my lesson and its actually pretty easy not to flame and be annoying. Either don't talk at all or only be positive :) and you will never get any punishment

GunnlaugJan 4, 20161 votes

Yea, you were toxic, you deserve a ban. After multiple instances, you deserve this.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Ok, but if I had chat logs of the last 100 games I played, I guarantee I could list at a MINIMUM 15-20 players much more toxic than the above, even using slurs and hate speech. Again, not that it warrants the above chat, but it seems like there is a large discrepancy in chat restrictions/bans between players.

MisterHealYoGirlJan 4, 20161 votes

I'm sure that if they continue to behave in that way, they'll get banned eventually. It sounds as though this wasn't your first offense; bans escalate by repetition of offensive language, as well as by intensity.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry that you got banned; I know that League can be frustrating at times, and lashing out verbally is something that we all do on occasion.

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20161 votes

Is this the only log they sent you?

Edit going by this no... this isnt even close to flame. Maybe "negative attitude" but not that should not be banable imo.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

The email only had the first game listed. Upon logging in, the other two were on the report card. I specifically remember the Kalista and Kha from the above games flaming pretty hard, but again, doesn't seem like they got banned at all...

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20161 votes

Well all o can go on is this log.

But a suggestion dont come back, free yourself

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

/agree

TocosrevengeJan 4, 20161 votes

"thefooz87: gl hf thefooz87: i'm done thefooz87: report poppy please"

BeatzBoyFTWJan 4, 20161 votes

Yup, totally deserved.

EvilDustManJan 4, 20161 votes

Basically, you spent most of the games complaining about other players, complaining about 'bad players', and just general complaining. On top of that, your record of temporary bans led up to a permanent ban.

In each game you say 'I'm done, I'm not helping you'. That alone, to me, is worth a punishment.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

"Also, when I said "i'm done" it was more of a venting than actual afk'ing." I still played after saying that. And if you read games 1 and 2 specifically, I actually give credit to the opposing team... Edit: also, pretty annoying when jungler comes to your lane to feed and adc comes to lane STRICTLY to take cs....but of course, neither of those are reportable....

shyvJan 4, 20161 votes

i think this definitely deserves a 2 week ban.. but i'm not sure why this would go straight to permaban. unless you've already been 2 week banned in which case, permaban deserved.

when i got banned it was for similar things, flaming my team and just being an ass in general, but i think what did it was the fact that you kept saying f-g, even though it's in quotation marks.. i get that you were just pointing out kalista was being an idiot but i think riot would punish anyone for saying that word regardless of context.

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Yeah, I had a 2-week ban a few months prior (July, had to look up the email), but that, in my opinion, was much more appropriate. Like, I'm not even going to post those chat logs, hahaha. I just looked up the email on that one...yeah......no comment.... Edit: It's just interesting to get an email saying I haven't improved, when, if they actually did a comparison, embarassingly (is that a word?), there's been a LOT of improvement...

Thanks for the feedback, though.

shyvJan 4, 20161 votes

np, bad luck that you got permabanned for this really, seems tame compared to most permabans. but you probably should have learned your lesson after the first ban lol

thefooz87Jan 4, 20161 votes

Actually, the ban at the end of November was one game with a 0/4 Teemo who kept flaming me when I was 1/0. I would say about 3-4 chat lines in there were negative, but I was pretty chill with the other guy we were playing with (it was 3's).

shyvJan 4, 20161 votes

ah, yeah, november will get you perma'd. takes 3 months to move down a punishment tier. sorry bud.

SerevasJan 4, 20161 votes

You were toxic, consistently, over long periods of time, showing zero signs of stopping.

Is it really surprising that you got banned after already having a bunch of previous punishments levied against you already?

I guess I just completely fail to understand how it could be a surprise that your actions would eventually lead up to a permanent ban when you've already received temporary bans in the past.

It's not this situation alone, it's that you get consistently reported, have for a long time, and somehow after all the punishments already, kept acting the same way.

The amount of toxic behavior that has to be thrown out to get to that point is unbelievable. I get salty at times, I'm sure everyone does, but I've not so much as had a warning message pop up saying I got reported for anything. I can't even imagine how bad I'd have to be to get banned.

PIMPSMOOTHJan 4, 20161 votes

What a dumbass lol.

Frank1Jan 4, 20161 votes

I notice that you say "report" a lot. Trust me don't say that, for some reason the system detects it as negative behavior. Once you get mad just stop chatting and wait till the game is over to report.

If you are really on tilt here is a great tip for you. Type the worst thing you can say to that person and leave it in the chat box. Read it over as many times as you like. DON'T send it. Just imagining the person's reaction is enough satisfaction ^_^.

Besides that, better to say nothing than to say anything at all. The positive people keep saying to improve your behavior. League of Legends designed a special system that allows you to MUTE other people! AMAZING!. Hate em? Mute em. done.

Rito created pings so that you wouldn't have to say anything that can be used against you even if its the tiniest thing that you perhaps believe isn't negative. The pings cover mostly what you want to do, the only reason i would say anything is to say gj, gg, or at the end game ez game ez lyfe.

"For every amazing win, there will be a horrible lose. For every bad game, there will be an awesome one." -Unknown