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Possible Ban Appeal

BeatRiderVoltic··5 votes·2,298 views
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So I got perma banned on my account iv'e had since near mid Season 1 and I admit I was toxic but didn't think I merited a full perma ban. I wrote a ticket and tried to appeal it and kinda felt I got the run around with no real Answer if I can appeal it or not. I'm willing to accept the usual "ha you're toxic you deserved it" comments which ironically are toxic remarks. I just want to get my point out there. I've posted my remarks from my Ticket too so others can judge.

I have had friends and seen others get Perma Ban and they managed to appeal it and get it revoked and ho man they were beyond toxic. I mean i was toxic in a few games yea but these guys were like "Racial slur/insults I never knew could be insults" kind of toxic. But to me this game is more than a game. It's a community and I love it and want to continue to be a part of it. I have a lot of pride but now I feel I can't play with my friends anymore or even socialize with them since iv'e been banned. I feel betrayed and hurt by myself because I let myself down by falling into the Toxic crowd. As a Support main since mid season 1 and support player of countless other games I feel the burden even more.

I usually just mute everybody from the start of the match but sometimes I don't cause I put more faith in my team and enemy team than I should and i'm very quickly reminded why I usually mute everybody. I gave in and ended up taking the Troll bait and giving them a response which was wrong on my part and I completely understand that.

Point being I want to continue to fight this and try to appeal it because I refuse to just go make a new account. To me that's unfair because it doesn't teach you anything other than being toxic is acceptable.

As is the system teaches you that you can be toxic, get perma banned and just go make a new account. I don't think that's right. I think we need a system that'll let you appeal to it. I figured something like this

>Take a Perma Banned account >They file an Appeal >Judging on the remarks and what they were banned for it may approve or deny their appeal >Racial Slurs/Sexist remarks/Hate Speech should be auto deny >It doesn't unban the account if they're Approved but instead puts them in a temp 5-10 game setting >They are chat restricted for these approval games >If they preform well enough, proper communication and no toxic remarks then they can appeal to be unbanned

I think making them play thru a a set of games to prove they understand that their entire account relies on it and they can get unbanned would be a start and let Riot tweak whatever they want to the system later or whenever.

I am completely open ears and willing to do anything to prove myself even if it means making a new account and letting Riot literally spectate and watch to judge if i'm doing better or not. I want to prove how sincere I am and how much this means to me.

I will continue to make Threads to try to reach out until I get I can get a confirmed answer.

37 Comments

Kei1434 votes

With the new reform system (since Aug-2015), its lesser about "whether your chat is bad enough", but more about "how often were you bad".

The new reform system works in 4 punishment tiers:

  1. 10 Game Chat Restrict
  2. 25 Game Chat Restrict
  3. 14-Day Ban
  4. Permaban

When you get (validly) reported a bunch of times, you'll get punished and everytime you get punished, you'll move up the punishment tier. So what happened was you were punished again since your 14-day ban which takes you to the permaban tier.

You are looking for more chances, but they did mention in your 14-day ban email that your next punishment will be a permaban.

Then again, we don't know how seriously toxic your chats were, as we don't ahve access to your log. But most likely, you won't get your account back and will just be bothering Riot's support team.

BeatRiderVoltic2 votes

Wasn't that I was looking for more chances, Just that what I got punished for I feel shouldn't have triggered that full ban.

We're in a time now where even saying your team mates are trolling or telling to them stop being a troll is now reportable and considered toxic behavior which honestly shouldn't be. What kind of system punishes you for criticizing your team mates?
Like not even insulting just legit concern and telling them to play better is now considered wrong. You can't say stuff like "you guys are kinda playing dumb. Try to be defensive" or telling a team mate "your build is kinda troll. Why build __" or else you get insulted, flamed and reported now :/

Erdrik2 votes

"you guys are kinda playing dumb. Try to be defensive" "your build is kinda troll. Why build __"

Yes, these phrases are considered toxic. Ive bolded the problem areas. You are backhandedly insulting the other player while trying to give advice.

Try this instead:

"Try to be defensive, next time." "Whats your build goal? Maybe __ will help?"

Important to this, is to remember not to spam. If they don't take your advice, do not push the matter. It will just make matters worse.

Bettnachleger1 votes

lol?!?!?! That's everything ... but .... toxic? wow -.-

Kei1433 votes

While I agree with you that plenty of people can't take a criticism (infact, many rightful criticisms are taken the wrong way), the delivery of the criticism is important as well.

I had a mundo jungle, who appears to be new towards jungling or mundo but also forgot to bring smite. He builds a frozen mallet first item and died to the jungle 3 times. Our Lucian calls him a troll, noob and other things. I tell him "Mundo, if you buy a sunfire's it'll help you clear much easier, even if you don't have smite", and lucian instant replies "omg!! thats supposed to be the first item you build, you such a noob trash" or something like that.

Mundo did end up buying a sunfire and thanked me after the game, he also said that hes reporting lucian.

Know the rules, play around it. Thats all there is.

Reaper Review3 votes

As someone who's in much the same boat as you are (my account isn't/wasn't nearly as old as yours, though), I just want to wish you luck in your endeavor as long as you remain positive and actually want to prove yourself.

I'm not going to lie, you're highly unlikely to succeed in this. Then again, though; nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I do appreciate that this isn't just another thread blindly calling out everyone else and refusing to acknowledge that you were the problem, though. Props for that.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Thanks. It means a lot and glad to know i'm not the only one that knows what I did was wrong. lol

Reaper Review2 votes

It may interest you to know that I've also tried appealing my ban. I always told myself I wasn't going to actually do it, but I've just felt so inspired lately by everything I've been trying to contribute to this board the past few days.

My odds are still slim, to be honest, but like I said earlier, nothing ventured. Even if it doesn't work out, I'll continue to do what I can here.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Awesome. Definitely do so!

I feel actually putting the effort to jump thru whatever hoops are here even to show you want to appeal it shows you care and are committed to this Game and Community.

Astôlfo1 votes

Or, you could have showed you cared by not being a dick in the first place.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

I appreciate the toxic comment. Cheers friendo

Astôlfo1 votes

Riot does not undo permabans unless they were a mistake. This also applies to other punishments more or less. Sorry.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Iv'e seen people get unbanned and even had friends ticket and multiple threads throughout a 2 week time and get unbanned too for almost the same thing.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump for notice

Cyst1 votes

Why would riot unban you?

You don't fit their fudge packing sjw agenda.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Really vocal about it but I have noticed some of the SJW "shut down people saying anything that's offensive to me" is starting to show up.

Somebody within a chat group i'm in just got a Chat Restriction for "toxic behavior" yet he was actually quite calmly and nicely suggesting builds for somebody and they went full rage "don't tell me how to play my champ" attitude.

Reaper Review1 votes

Just so you know, my own appeal didn't pan out. I didn't really expect it to, but it kinda stings nonetheless.

It feels kinda bad knowing that the only real option I have for showing reform is arduously grinding a new account and possibly throwing more money at Riot in the process because having to divide fairly limited early IP gains between desired champions and crucial runes is still iffy gameplay design, but I have nobody to blame but myself.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump for notice.

Still trying to fight this and prove myself. I refuse to make a whole new account. I want to appeal this and reach out.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump. Hoping to at leastget it upvoted to help possibly get an answer.

I miss playing but don't want to make a new account.

Reaper Review1 votes

Making a new account's your only option.

I've been trying to play on my new account, but it's only level 19 and I already want to just stop playing due to how dull it is. Maybe your willpower's better than mine, though.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Yea My friend made a new Smurf account since he thought i'd make one too and holy shit. He has seen nonstop toxic people and others. He's gotten several people punished by tribunal. Hell one game the enemy Annie flat out asked if people were N's. lol. Like just dropping racial slurs all game.

I don't want to make a new because I feel it's not fair. It doesn't set the punishment enough or give incentive to not be toxic. People can be toxic and troll, get banned and just make a new account and rinse and repeat.

Reaper Review1 votes

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Yea My friend made a new Smurf account since he thought i'd make one too and holy shit. He has seen nonstop toxic people and others. He's gotten several people punished by tribunal. Hell one game the enemy Annie flat out asked if people were N's. lol. Like just dropping racial slurs all game.

I don't want to make a new because I feel it's not fair. It doesn't set the punishment enough or give incentive to not be toxic. People can be toxic and troll, get banned and just make a new account and rinse and repeat.

Riot just hopes that the idea of having to make a new account and endure the grind again will put off banned toxic players enough to make them not bother. It's either that or they bite the bullet and buy a bunch of RP to get their champions and whatnot back, so it's either a toxic player down or Riot makes more money.

There are workarounds, of course, but only for people interested in breaking more rules or who are so good at the game that leveling an account's only a mild inconvenience. Unfortunately, that leaves the people who want to go straight with no feasible options.

Why not just make each ban after the 14-day ban a week longer than the last? That way to option to reform and come back is always present, but the people who are continually toxic and show no signs of change get shut out for longer and longer periods. Eventually, they'll either leave the game or get sick of their bans getting longer and finally knock it off.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

This is what I hope. We need some sort of Appeal/Reform system instead of "lol ban toxic" then they just remake a new account and rinse and repeat until they get bored.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump again :c

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump :c

EvilDustMan1 votes

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Bump :c

Chatlogs.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump.

Hoping to atleast get a response.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Bump

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Well 5 months ago and I haven't made a new account or even played on a friends. I've just watched this game get worse and worse while ACTUAL toxic people go unpunished.

Damn shame. It is a truly sad day to not only see actual Toxicity go unpunished but to see this game dying and doing worse and worse. Maybe Overwatch and Blizzard really was the League Killer.

xXRageGamesXx1 votes

I was recently permabanned for being toxic and it never went to the 3rd tier of punishment and I was wondering if the 14 day ban could be issued instead of the permaban

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

So here we are a year later.

I still haven't been unbanned and honestly stopped playing all together. I got horribly depressed and anti social in the following months of being banned since League was actually a big part of my life till I got banned for essentially "saying mean things"

I stopped going out with friends and being a part of my local community as I refused to make a new account and just became a shut in. I'm slowly getting into going out again and trying to become more social but what I had before was a team, a huuuuge group and community of friends to play with and was a part of a social scene in my local city. I felt alienated and like I didn't belong there when I was banned and tried desperately to appeal the ban. I miss being able to confidently talk to other players without feeling like iv'e let them down and contributed to the meme that is "League is the most toxic community ever"

The system NEEDS a ban appeal because otherwise you're telling people it's completely fine to be toxic, rage and flame all game, get perma banned and just make a new account and rinse and repeat. You don't require ANY verification for an account either so it's easy to just make a throw away account within a minute

I got escalated several times to high ups to talk about a ban appeal and every time i got the same brick wall reason "we don't unbann or revoke bans under any circumstance" Yet several Pro" players have been unbanned because they're making Riot money. You can't make an exception for them and not every other player. That's a biased system and unfair.

You claim you can't unban an account but we've seen it happen several times now with various "Pro" players and if that was the case then why wouldn't you just delete the account? It's been almost a year and my account is still there.

Even a system like linking a second Summoner name to your account as a "trial" account to prove you've changed and are a more positive player in attempts to appeal a ban would be great. Riot always claims people go on to be more positive after facing punishment for toxicity yet you won't let them try that so how do you come up with that claim?

So you won't unban it or really let me appeal it officially yet you'll keep my account there to taunt me it feels as a big reminder that I got banned for "toxic behavior" when a system was installed to punish people with opinions and criticism they didn't agree with.

If you're not going to unban me or let me appeal then PLEASE implement an appeal system for cases such as mine where there wasn't any "large insult" or "Hate speech" in the chats. And implement a system that requires better verification for accounts.

Because as a long term players since year 1 I have only seen and confirmed your system ALLOWS people to be toxic, flame and insult nonstop and then get banned and simply make a new account and continue.

Tyler1 proved so and Riot had to actually make a new system JUST to find and ban him on all accounts he creates.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

Here we are two years later and still no way to appeal a Ban or anything.

They'll unban Tyler1 who is LITERALLY THE most toxic player to ever grace this game with a record of almost 30+ accounts Perma banned and a HUGE factor as to WHY the Tribunal was completely overhauled.

But a player who didn't say any actual insults other than saying his teammates were trolling (which they were and int feeding and they even admitted to doing so) has literally zero way to appeal to anything.

I caved and made a new account and have done stellar on that and hitting constant honor updates and free keys for being supportive and honorable. But that's not enough?

What do I have to do to get my main unbanned? I don't wanna hear "uhh they don't revoke bans"

We've already proved and seen that they do indeed. Or is it special treatment? They're unbanned and revoked bans only because their big internet personalities? Is it money? Unbanning Tyler1 and others gets you more money and attention doesn't it? You'll throw some of the most ACTUAL toxic players back in and revoke their bans because it gets the game more attention?

So if I start streaming and get big and noticeable and jump thru the good boy hoops do I get my main back? I'm not mocking or angry. I'm genuinely curious.

Clearly there IS a way to appeal a ban since you've revoked it for those types of people.

Lyndris1 votes

Tyler1 did not get his banned accounts back... His Indefinite Player ID Ban was removed. Riot did try an appeal/reform/"second chance" program. Which, IIRC, they hand selected those most likely to actually reform, I think more than 95% of the test batch failed and the entire thing was scrapped and considered a massive failure.

Without an actual, tangible punishment what is stopping you, or any toxic perma banned account, from defaulting to toxic again?

Warios1 votes

Tyler1 didn't get his accounts back though.

BeatRiderVoltic1 votes

He reportedly has tho. That and he is allowed to play again on new accounts and continue the exact same behavior that got him permabanned and he's gone unpunished despite some pretty high ups admitted he would be and was getting permabanned on any account they could confirm belonged to him.

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