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Perma banning has to stop.

wtf is tht dmg··3 votes·1,317 views

CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM THAT COMPARING STATS WITH OTHER PLAYERS INGAME IS EXTREMELY TOXIC AND WARANTS A PERMA BAN ??????????

Game 1 wtf is tht dmg: wow wtf is tht dmg: u hesitated wtf is tht dmg: fucknig disgusting wtf is tht dmg: hecarim wtf is tht dmg: werent u wtf is tht dmg: bot wtf is tht dmg: side wtf is tht dmg: by scuttler wtf is tht dmg: hbecarim wtf is tht dmg: ? wtf is tht dmg: hecarim wtf is tht dmg: answer me wtf is tht dmg: u were bot wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: sadness wtf is tht dmg: hecarim wtf is tht dmg: camp me wtf is tht dmg: we win wtf is tht dmg: swain is pushed wtf is tht dmg: all game wtf is tht dmg: immobile wtf is tht dmg: he cant dahs wtf is tht dmg: how wtf is tht dmg: lee is overpowered wtf is tht dmg: as fck wtf is tht dmg: who did u guys ban wtf is tht dmg: jsut tell me wtf is tht dmg: what do u mean stfu wtf is tht dmg: im nto flaming wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: simple conversation wtf is tht dmg: how wtf is tht dmg: no i didnt wtf is tht dmg: i died once wtf is tht dmg: to swain wtf is tht dmg: once wtf is tht dmg: i died ocne wtf is tht dmg: to swain wtf is tht dmg: lee ganked wtf is tht dmg: lvl 3 wtf is tht dmg: chased me all the way wtf is tht dmg: to top wtf is tht dmg: i died once to swain wtf is tht dmg: ? wtf is tht dmg: swain isnt fed? wtf is tht dmg: no wtf is tht dmg: hes not? wtf is tht dmg: stop typing? wtf is tht dmg: im not feeding wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: im hitting wtf is tht dmg: nice ults wtf is tht dmg: im hiotting nice ults wtf is tht dmg: sorry wtf is tht dmg: i pinged mia wtf is tht dmg: ur fault wtf is tht dmg: more aware wtf is tht dmg: see wtf is tht dmg: how im dying wtf is tht dmg: blitz wtf is tht dmg: u cant even survive wtf is tht dmg: how i died wtf is tht dmg: nobody can wtf is tht dmg: not even faker... wtf is tht dmg: i have 75% winrate wtf is tht dmg: orianna wtf is tht dmg: its the lee wtf is tht dmg: we shouldve banned wtf is tht dmg: w/e wtf is tht dmg: 25 games wtf is tht dmg: yeah wtf is tht dmg: thats pretty good wtf is tht dmg: higher than yours wtf is tht dmg: by a lot wtf is tht dmg: and 70% CASS wtf is tht dmg: i am good wtf is tht dmg: 75% wtf is tht dmg: u are wtf is tht dmg: league of snowball wtf is tht dmg: we can win wtf is tht dmg: stop flaming wtf is tht dmg: move from wtf is tht dmg: base wtf is tht dmg: thats good wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: blitz wtf is tht dmg: stop wtf is tht dmg: typing wtf is tht dmg: its one game wtf is tht dmg: i hot camped wtf is tht dmg: stop flaming wtf is tht dmg: its one game wtf is tht dmg: 25 games wtf is tht dmg: its not wtf is tht dmg: blitz is garbage wtf is tht dmg: blitz is tilting wtf is tht dmg: team mate wtf is tht dmg: il jsut mute wtf is tht dmg: see wtf is tht dmg: whats the point wtf is tht dmg: of this wtf is tht dmg: not helping me play better wtf is tht dmg: i got camped blitz wtf is tht dmg: what can i sya wtf is tht dmg: i was out trading swain wtf is tht dmg: i was out trading wtf is tht dmg: swian wtf is tht dmg: i otu trading swain 1v1 wtf is tht dmg: what can i say wtf is tht dmg: i cant win 2v1 wtf is tht dmg: sorry wtf is tht dmg: thats that wtf is tht dmg: wp wtf is tht dmg: how do i live wtf is tht dmg: through that wtf is tht dmg: can u tell me wtf is tht dmg: blitz wtf is tht dmg: what do u mean wtf is tht dmg: over extend wtf is tht dmg: i was stop recalls wtf is tht dmg: he flashed on me wtf is tht dmg: 5 minutes cooldown wtf is tht dmg: 0 counter play wtf is tht dmg: faker wouldve died wtf is tht dmg: there wtf is tht dmg: played like what wtf is tht dmg: tell me wtf is tht dmg: ur so blunt wtf is tht dmg: cant take u seriousyl wtf is tht dmg: wjhat doi u nmean wtf is tht dmg: over extended wtf is tht dmg: no iw asnt wtf is tht dmg: i was with my team wtf is tht dmg: here wtf is tht dmg: here wtf is tht dmg: with vision wtf is tht dmg: ehcarim was here wtf is tht dmg: blitz wtf is tht dmg: stfu man wtf is tht dmg: i had a bad game wtf is tht dmg: unlucky as fck wtf is tht dmg: im better than u wtf is tht dmg: thats that wtf is tht dmg: i have numbers wtf is tht dmg: to back it up wtf is tht dmg: so w/e wtf is tht dmg: u dont wtf is tht dmg: period wtf is tht dmg: out of 25 games wtf is tht dmg: i haveb nunmers wtf is tht dmg: to back it up wtf is tht dmg: u dont wtf is tht dmg: u are gonna lower my winrate wtf is tht dmg: fc k that wtf is tht dmg: idk what to say wtf is tht dmg: honestly wtf is tht dmg: i died once solo wtf is tht dmg: thats it

Game 2 wtf is tht dmg: wtf wtf is tht dmg: are u watching wtf is tht dmg: hecarim wtf is tht dmg: can u watch lanes while u farm wtf is tht dmg: please wtf is tht dmg: ? wtf is tht dmg: no i wasnt wtf is tht dmg: why did i run wtf is tht dmg: so far wtf is tht dmg: then wtf is tht dmg: ? wtf is tht dmg: he didnt one shot me wtf is tht dmg: can u watch lanes wtf is tht dmg: please wtf is tht dmg: whiile u farm wtf is tht dmg: no sums wtf is tht dmg: why not come earleir man wtf is tht dmg: wtf wtf is tht dmg: can u come earlier wtf is tht dmg: she was push wtf is tht dmg: entire game wtf is tht dmg: cmon hecarim wtf is tht dmg: watch lanes wtf is tht dmg: while u farm wtf is tht dmg: please wtf is tht dmg: u hav e too look for opportuniteies wtf is tht dmg: to gank wtf is tht dmg: she was wtf is tht dmg: ehre wtf is tht dmg: middle wtf is tht dmg: of lane wtf is tht dmg: u get behind her wtf is tht dmg: ROFL wtf is tht dmg: NOT AT ALL wtf is tht dmg: watch her wtf is tht dmg: get wtf is tht dmg: behind her wtf is tht dmg: how much help wtf is tht dmg: do u need wtf is tht dmg: ur 2-0 wtf is tht dmg: if u dont need help wtf is tht dmg: kill me solo wtf is tht dmg: u ahve such safe midlaner wtf is tht dmg: i land Q on you wtf is tht dmg: you E and run away wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: land a Q wtf is tht dmg: pls wtf is tht dmg: i cant wtf is tht dmg: olaf is camping wtf is tht dmg: caitlyn wtf is tht dmg: can u let wtf is tht dmg: karma wtf is tht dmg: get a fucking wtf is tht dmg: bad roam off wtf is tht dmg: why stay wtf is tht dmg: karma roamed wtf is tht dmg: she already lost EXP wtf is tht dmg: jsut run wtf is tht dmg: why cant u let her make an unsuccesful roam wtf is tht dmg: how wtf is tht dmg: she roamed wtf is tht dmg: am i wrong wtf is tht dmg: or am i right wtf is tht dmg: did she roam wtf is tht dmg: yes or no wtf is tht dmg: why not run wtf is tht dmg: if she roams wtf is tht dmg: yes or no wtf is tht dmg: no wtf is tht dmg: i poniged wtf is tht dmg: everyone wtf is tht dmg: back wtf is tht dmg: not jsut moakai wtf is tht dmg: everyone wtf is tht dmg: w/e wtf is tht dmg: we need voice chat wtf is tht dmg: in league wtf is tht dmg: from bad wtf is tht dmg: to worse wtf is tht dmg: thats low elo for you wtf is tht dmg: u guys just dont give up wtf is tht dmg: 5-0... wtf is tht dmg: what the fkc... wtf is tht dmg: have i even died to u 1v1 wtf is tht dmg: damn morg wtf is tht dmg: gj wtf is tht dmg: maokai is front lining wtf is tht dmg: man wtf is tht dmg: i love it wtf is tht dmg: ^ wtf is tht dmg: nice champ wtf is tht dmg: ^ wtf is tht dmg: we arte late game wtf is tht dmg: we group wtf is tht dmg: and we win wtf is tht dmg: its that simple wtf is tht dmg: gj wtf is tht dmg: we can wtf is tht dmg: we can wtf is tht dmg: trust me wtf is tht dmg: please wtf is tht dmg: morgana disagrees wtf is tht dmg: nvm wtf is tht dmg: maoaki wtf is tht dmg: please wtf is tht dmg: u flashed for me wtf is tht dmg: wtf wtf is tht dmg: thresh exhaust wtf is tht dmg: and flash wtf is tht dmg: wait for me wtf is tht dmg: i knew this hecarim wtf is tht dmg: doesnt main jungle wtf is tht dmg: since minute 1 wtf is tht dmg: enmd wtf is tht dmg: end wtf is tht dmg: end wtf is tht dmg: end wtf is tht dmg: end wtf is tht dmg: 2 suipers wtf is tht dmg: supers wtf is tht dmg: end wtf is tht dmg: team disagrees wtf is tht dmg: rather than ending wtf is tht dmg: yup wtf is tht dmg: i agree cait wtf is tht dmg: wtf wtf is tht dmg: how am i toxic wtf is tht dmg: who am i unsi8ulting wtf is tht dmg: insulting wtf is tht dmg: did i sweae wtf is tht dmg: at anyone wtf is tht dmg: did i flame anyone wtf is tht dmg: no wtf is tht dmg: who did i flame wtf is tht dmg: cait wtf is tht dmg: what did i say to you wtf is tht dmg: accusing me of soemthing i didnt do wtf is tht dmg: :( wtf is tht dmg: yeah wtf is tht dmg: just tp down wtf is tht dmg: gg guys wtf is tht dmg: no wtf is tht dmg: its not easier wtf is tht dmg: i dodged... wtf is tht dmg: that... wtf is tht dmg: wtf is that skill

Game 3 wtf is tht dmg: xerath wtf is tht dmg: is so easy wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: i mean wtf wtf is tht dmg: yes wtf is tht dmg: its easy wtf is tht dmg: q is thrown so fgast wtf is tht dmg: fast wtf is tht dmg: i have boots now wtf is tht dmg: u cant hit Q anymore wtf is tht dmg: or any abilities wtf is tht dmg: and khazix wont help u wtf is tht dmg: u hesitated with stun wtf is tht dmg: nice wtf is tht dmg: we both knew iwas gonna dodge it wtf is tht dmg: i out trade u 1v1 wtf is tht dmg: i die 2v1 wtf is tht dmg: thats wierd wtf is tht dmg: u got it good wtf is tht dmg: he flashed wtf is tht dmg: my ult wtf is tht dmg: how did i miss wtf is tht dmg: u fucking wtf is tht dmg: moron wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: HE FLASHED IT wtf is tht dmg: FAKER wtf is tht dmg: WONT HIT ME wtf is tht dmg: WITH ORI ULT wtf is tht dmg: IF I HAVE FLASH UP wtf is tht dmg: ROFL wtf is tht dmg: stop giving me ssht for it wtf is tht dmg: he flashed it wtf is tht dmg: i did not miss it wtf is tht dmg: what... wtf is tht dmg: that was wtf is tht dmg: mislick wtf is tht dmg: no that one wtf is tht dmg: actually was wtf is tht dmg: he didnt flash it wtf is tht dmg: it was misclick wtf is tht dmg: he flashed last one but u dont believe me wtf is tht dmg: so i dont expect you wtf is tht dmg: to beleive me wtf is tht dmg: when i sya mis click wtf is tht dmg: i have higher wirnate wtf is tht dmg: than you wtf is tht dmg: so w/e wtf is tht dmg: cya wtf is tht dmg: 0--5 wtf is tht dmg: thx for that wtf is tht dmg: ^ wtf is tht dmg: yeah wtf is tht dmg: lets move on wtf is tht dmg: higher winrate wtf is tht dmg: than u wtf is tht dmg: cant do anything wtf is tht dmg: khazix in your back pocket wtf is tht dmg: rofl wtf is tht dmg: 2v1 easy wtf is tht dmg: 2v1 all game 0-5 wtf is tht dmg: i cant play wtf is tht dmg: cant win 2v1 wtf is tht dmg: cya wtf is tht dmg: i wish i can do that wtf is tht dmg: make a mistake wtf is tht dmg: and get a get out of death free card wtf is tht dmg: karma wtf is tht dmg: sightstone wtf is tht dmg: dark jungle wtf is tht dmg: cant see anything wtf is tht dmg: i was out of range wtf is tht dmg: for ult wtf is tht dmg: i wouldve ulted myself wtf is tht dmg: stfu wtf is tht dmg: i mtelling u i was out of range wtf is tht dmg: type kill wtf is tht dmg: damn wtf is tht dmg: just gg wtf is tht dmg: xerath wtf is tht dmg: 1v1 wtf is tht dmg: after game? wtf is tht dmg: xerath wtf is tht dmg: 2.5 kda wtf is tht dmg: lol wtf is tht dmg: bad stats wtf is tht dmg: u got mad wtf is tht dmg: lool

30 Comments

Zezockary11 votes

You did a lot more than "comparing stats". You were constantly harassing your team.

wtf is tht dmg2 votes

I WAS ALL CHATTING THATS THE ENEMY TEAM WTF.

Zezockary3 votes

You can harass your team by talking to the enemy team. They can read the chat you put out there too.

If you are saying that the enemy team are the ones that you were "comparing stats" with, then you were harassing them instead of your teammates.

You don't have to be an ass towards your teammates to be an ass.

wtf is tht dmg1 votes

Comparing stats HOLY SHIT SO TOXIC LETS PERMANENTLY BAN NO OTHER GAME DOES THAT

Zezockary2 votes

Again, you were not simply comparing stats. You were harassing people over it. You were warned multiple times with chat restrictions and temporary suspensions and chose to continue your actions. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

DrCyanide8 votes

Anything that can earn you a chat restriction can earn you a permaban if you keep it up. I take it you had a two week ban before this, at the top of which it specified that it was your final warning to shape up or ship out.

Sir Binley5 votes

Holy shit, it's like i'm reading a fucking dating website. You talk SO MUCH in game. I'm pretty sure you talk more than you fucking right click, holy moly.

wtf is tht dmg1 votes

what the fuck why do i get banned for typing i fucking put my money into this account

xXZiluenXx3 votes

not saying im not surprised, but what does the tittle have to do with this, your gloating pretty much not stating or starting any kind of debate of perma banning having to stop

IsoVhell2 votes

lmfao you fail hard.

hi im danky2 votes

you got permabanned for talking too much. None of that is overly toxic or harassing in any way. Didn't tell anyone to get cancer or kill themselves. No racial slurs. Autoban system just sees 100+ messages per game and 3/4 reports and bam, perma.

xXZiluenXx1 votes

[{quoted}](name=hi im danky,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vbucAVr8,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-12-29T10:24:22.478+0000)

you got permabanned for talking too much. None of that is overly toxic or harassing in any way. Didn't tell anyone to get cancer or kill themselves. No racial slurs. Autoban system just sees 100+ messages per game and 3/4 reports and bam, perma.

yup and thats why he must of put this up, its not that perma banning has to stop, its they need to use the old tribunal system again without the automatic system

PROJECT Fizz3 votes

Problem is, the old tribunal was slow af. It could take forever to give people punishments, as well as it being an exploitable system (i.e. People just banning for fun) so, no.

Is the automatic system perfect? God no, but it's more effective then the tribunal ever was.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Not when it comes to anything other than chat related offenses.

bk Tiger1 votes

still with chat related offenses....

TrulyBland2 votes

How certain are you of that?

Tribunal didn't "sort" offenses, so however slow it was for chat related offenses it also was for other offenses. And if you are talking about feeding/trolling: Those were punished exactly identically to chat behaviour, which meant that the first time people are caught, they would get away with a warning. So only by the third time the same person is brought up in the ridiculously slow Tribunal they are getting the same punishment as they do now when they are caught the first time.

So without manual reviews by Rioters (which are still present in the current system) a troll account could easily be active for months without there even being a serious punishment. Even if we assume that the Tribunal was better at catching trolls, Tribunal was simply too slow to be considered effective for anything.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Because an automated system cannot tell if someone is trolling. Its as simple as that. Trolling is something that requires context to see, and the automated system sees no context whatsoever.

TrulyBland2 votes

Because an automated system cannot tell if someone is trolling. Its as simple as that.

Yes. Making statements without backing them up with anything is always very simple.

the automated system sees no context whatsoever.

The automated system sees more context than any Tribunal user saw.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Tribunal would show everyone's chat. Made it alot easier to see what was going on. Now, do you think the automated system can tell if I'm not trying, lets say I'm just running around, autoing people in different lanes and spamming wards. The automated system does not see that as "trolling".

They don't have the system doing that in fear of it sometimes banning bad players. Whether someone is trolling or just really bad is something that has to be looked at by an actual human.

TrulyBland2 votes

I'm just running around,

How does Tribunal tell that's happening?

autoing people in different lanes

How does Tribunal tell that's happening?

spamming wards

How does Tribunal tell that's happening?

You perfectly cited a three things that Tribunal can actually not track, but that the system does track... and those are not even remotely all of them. There are still a lot of patterns the system doesn't understand as being negative and/or identify properly. But that's an entirely different subject. The automated system sees more context. Period.

What you are arguing is whether it can understand that context. And that is precisely what Riot is working on. Making the system understand all those patterns is difficult, but with today's technology it's far from impossible. I mean, it's obviously not impossible, given that it is currently already being used to detect feeders. It's not particularly good at it yet, but it's obvious that it's generally capable of identifying certain contexts that constitute feeding. Now all Riot has to do is teach it more and more patterns.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

I never said the Tribunal was perfect at catching everything, what I said is that its more effective than the automated system, and that is true. You can get a much better picture as to whats happening in a game with a full chatlog of all players. I'm not saying that would allow every troll ever to be caught, but it would do a much better job of it than the automated system, which is entirely ineffective when it comes to that.

TrulyBland1 votes

And the automated system also has a full chatlog. And doesn't have a massive backlog. Due to how slow Tribunal is working I could call it "entirely ineffective" as well... Throwing exaggeration leads nowhere. Tribunal caught feeders and trolls. The current system catches feeders and trolls.

Assuming which of the two is more effective is mostly guesswork. But what's undeniable is that the potential of an automated system is much much higher; because that system can very easily be given access to literally all information about a game.

You can't see whether somebody spammed the laugh emote after placing an anivia wall that doomed the team. You also can't see the exact placement of that wall. You cannot see timing of the wall, and how likely it is that it was an accident. Hell, you cannot even see that the wall happened and that it did, in fact, doom the team. Bottom line: If an Anivia trolls her team via icewalls, but only once, maybe twice, and doesn't announce it as a troll move, Tribunal literally can't detect it. An automated system could.

Giving all this information to Tribunal is virtually impossible, and for most cases it would add a massive amount of irrelevant information, which would unnecessarily complicate cases and lead to an even larger backlog.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

The automated system does not use a full chatlog. Its only looks at specifically what the person being reported typed. And when it comes to feeding/trolling, it is ineffective. You can see multiple examples of that on the front page of this board. Sure, theoretically the automated system could be made to see if people are trolling.

But as of now, it doesn't. I wasn't going by "what ifs" when I said the Tribunal was better at catching trolls/feeders. Compare the automated system we have now, not what you think it will be made into in the future, to the Tribunal.

TrulyBland1 votes

The automated system does not use a full chatlog.

First off: Citation needed. Secondly: So what? You were talking about context being available, not being used. Other peoples' chat was ignored by Tribunal users most of the time as well. It's also been since made very clear by Riot and by the community whenever the subject comes up, that while context generally matters, the specific context of "who started it" or "who was worse" does not.

And when it comes to feeding/trolling, it is ineffective.

You keep saying that but you're not actually backing it up with anything substantial. The only thing you are backing it up with so far is that there are still examples of feeders that are not caught despite being very obvious in it. But those examples were pulled back in the days of Tribunal as well, because again: It was slow as fuck. The feeders of today were not caught until months later, if at all, because Tribunal always only used recent games to create the cases. So if somebody was feeding their ass off for a few days, and then never again, chances are they would get away with it.

Tribunal had basically the same flaws the current system has, just for different reasons and with a bunch of additional flaws.

wtf is tht dmg2 votes

permabanned for talking too much nice bro ROFLLL

eufleuria2 votes

Didn't tell anyone to get cancer or kill themselves. No racial slurs.

Swearing and telling people to die isnt the only way to get someone banned. This dude was griefing his teammates and harassing them about their gameplay. He was overly aggressive in chat.

Instead of all of that complaining he did, he couldve worried about himself and tried to focus on ways to winning the game.

And I dont even see anything about comparing stats. All he did was using their "stats" against them to make himself feel better by putting them down for it. Stats dont mean anything if you cant win by being a good sport.

swordofsun1 votes

You must've just had the 14-day ban. You're obviously harassing your teammates (backseat Jungle much?) and being very negative. You talk so much. How can you play the game?

bk Tiger1 votes

i had a 14 day bay A WEEK AGO ROFL. you get perm banned instantly in a day. I was not harassing my team at all. back seat jungling wtf are u talking about I can't put in my 2 cents in how we should win the game? stfu

swordofsun1 votes

[{quoted}](name=bk Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vbucAVr8,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-01-02T17:29:31.259+0000)

i had a 14 day bay A WEEK AGO ROFL.

Well, there you go. You clearly were unable to fix your behavior and the next step, no matter how minor, was permaban.

YerroFever1 votes

  1. You control YOUR league actions. Don't make it so that YOUR actions negatively affect other people.

  2. Don't compare yourself to other people and state that you're doing better than someone else because you're actually passive aggressively insulting your teammate. You're saying "well at least I'm not a big of a mess up as that person" even though you may not explicitly say that another person is a mess up, you imply it by your comparison and your attempt to deflect and redirect negative comments from your teammates to another person. If you messed up, own it, learn from it. No one is perfect.

  3. Ask for MIA calls if they're missing or ask for ganks if you need help. Don't insult your teammates directly or indirectly by comparing how you die or comparing how your enemy team is doing better than your team.

  4. Negatively comparing and/or insulting your teammates rather than giving constructive criticism or non-insult based suggestions, typically leads to them basically hating you as a league player... which also means, they're more likely to save their life saving skills/summoners on teammates that they do like more than you... which most likely is the reason you're experiencing such a negative league game.

  5. You have a lot of control over your own league experience and there are things you can do to limit your negative experiences in league. Unfortunately, you can't stop all of the negative experiences but you can put someone on ignore. If they're ruining the game and making it unwinnable (as we know one player can cause a team to lose if the remaining four aren't on the same wavelength), resolve on just having fun and/or turn the game into a mechanics practice.

  6. You also seem to need to stop typing in game because you can't seem to control your anger towards others in game. If needed, just put everyone on ignore and do your best in the game, end game, block everyone you didn't like, and move on. What's the point of picking online fights? No one cares about your epeen except you.

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