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Censorship overboard !

buksch··2 votes·5,466 views

To whom it may concern,

I have been playing this game for quite some time and have now been permanently banned. After the text was sent to me I was shocked at the reasons for a permanent ban. It is ridiculous that swearing in a gaming chat room is not acceptable, especially given you player demographic and other similar gaming conversations. If this is truly the way RIOT would like to operate then I would rather not play this game and suggest the same to my large group of friends who join me. The fact that you so rapidly condemn any mention of homosexuality but the entire cast of your champions is sexualized beyond acceptable measure for a company with the upmost concerns towards "equality" and appropriateness in confusing. Please remember this is a GAME and not a children's cartoon. I would like to have the tribunals review appealed. I have spent alot of time playing this game and the punishment does not fit the conversation. Please address this situation.

Thank you, Buksch

Below is the cause for my permanent ban (unedited for which a kayle ruined the entire game in order just to get personal stats and an S)

Game 1 buksch: lux top u wanna switch ? buksch: sure buksch: ty buksch: %%% buksch: dobt be that jg pls buksch: ok tough guy buksch: pathetic buksch: no just curious why this garen needs 11 ganks buksch: kayle buksch: fuckign do something buksch: good one buksch: not really buksch: ur ass got babysat for 20 mins buksch: get carried kid buksch: lol so my counter mage could play u buksch: u dont need to defend me to the far inferior garen buksch: kayle buksch: fuck ur mother buksch: baron buksch: oh wait our jg doesnt do that buksch: fucking retard buksch: just report kayle buksch: people like kayle ruin the game for an S buksch: they fuck their entire team for a reward at the end of the game

121 Comments

AeroWaffle13 votes

Erm. It wasn't your language that got you banned, though it might have contributed if that three letter word started with an 'F'.

No, you were banned for your behavior. You were insulting your team quite a bit.

IsoVhell2 votes

You're just a troll go get a life or something! I feel sorry for you.

AeroWaffle6 votes

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You're just a troll go get a life or something! I feel sorry for you.

If you have a problem with me, use the report feature. But this is hardly relevant to the topic in this thread (or what I posted), all you're doing is throwing out insults.

Xidphel3 votes

Bah. Don't worry about him.

buksch1 votes

Banned for LIFE for any of those things ? that's kind of overkill. I would completely understand chat restrictions and even timed bans, but a lifetime ban is disproportionate. Take of your self righteous hat for 1 second and read the chat log. My behavior was my language and yes that word started with an F, is that worthy of a lifetime ban ?

RiotRiot Tantram29 votes

Banned for LIFE for any of those things ? that's kind of overkill. I would completely understand chat restrictions and even timed bans, but a lifetime ban is disproportionate.

The lifetime ban is based upon the fact you've been punished multiple times in a short period of time and continue to exhibit the same behavior. The first penalties were warning you that the behavior was unacceptable. In your last penalty, you were told that continuing this would result in a perma-ban. You continued, and it resulted in a perma-ban.

We have a zero tolerance policy against hate speech. You know this, because it was a main cause of your previous penalties.

buksch2 votes

Please ... what part of that chat was hateful ? saying F someones mom ? or the 3 letter word ... because nothing bad was said about that sexual orientation ! I agree 1 previous violation was hateful.... this .... not hateful. I invested a lot of time and effort into this account and would like to see this reviewed instead of just stating a blanket nonspecific policy about hate speech. Non of that was hateful it was angry and there was swearing.

If there is a possibility of reassessment, I look forward to hearing from you in an email. Otherwise I would greatly appreciate a response refusing such a request.

Thank you

Kei14310 votes

You used it in a term that is meant to insult others. If that's not hateful then I don't know what is in your book.

ThyLegend271 votes

to be honest when people say %%% i dont think they mean homosexual or anything to do with sexual orientation.

TrulyBland2 votes

So, what you are saying is, that as long as I use the N-word as a regular insult for everybody without directly meaning to insult somebody's skin color, it's absolutely fine to say that word?

Hypotheticals aside: Words have explicite and implicite meaning. If you don't want the implicite meaning of your words to be misconstrued, don't use such heavily connotated words.

Horse Grenades8 votes

Swearing isn't against the rules. I swear all the time. It's swearing at people and using hate speech

Dominick Destine3 votes

I tend to agree that the system is incredibly draconian, yes.

I was taken from zero-to-permaban (Yes Riot Tantram, I will continue to say this because that's what actually happened, despite it being overturned at a later date) for much, MUCH less than what you did. The most horrifying part is that there are people (Almost exclusively leftists/feminists) that want the system to be even more draconian than it already is. That is pure insanity.

Kei1436 votes

hey!! you disappeared for a while, where the heck were you?

Don't you wish you were never hacked, so they don't manual review your account and give you a 14-day ban?

Or would you have preferred that they 14-day banned you right off the bat instead of the temp-perma-suspension due to your hack?

Dominick Destine1 votes

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so they don't manual review your account and give you a ........ permanent ban which was later overturned

Here's an idea; Don't permanently ban innocent players.

The permanent ban being overturned later has NOTHING to do with the initial pulling of the trigger. Sending a man to death row for jaywalking is always wrong.

AraMoOse4 votes

  1. You were not innocent, neither is OP.

  2. A permanent ban from access to an account on a particular video game is nothing even close to sending someone to death row. Nor was your (or OPs) trespasses as innocent as jaywalking. If your point were valid, you wouldn't need to make such grotesque exaggerations to support it.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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You were not innocent, neither is OP.

I was not guilty of any infraction worthy of a permanent ban therefore I was innocent of the crime I was convicted and punished for. The fact that I was later released from my punishment is not relevant, the initial call should never have occurred.

A permanent ban from access to an account on a particular video game is nothing even close to sending someone to death row.

It's an analogy, it's not complicated.

The point of "To Kill a Mockingbird" was precisely this.

Nor was your (or OPs) trespasses as innocent as jaywalking.

I suppose that's debatable but Riot themselves has classified me as being "low to moderate" on the toxicity scale, leaning closer to low. Absolutely not enough to zero-to-permaban me. Zero-to-permaban is supposed to be for the maximum extreme worst offenders of the worst of which "low to moderate toxicity" (Obviously) does not form a part of.

Nik Nikerson4 votes

I was not guilty of any infraction worthy of a permanent ban therefore I was innocent of the crime I was convicted and punished for.

That's not actually how things work. To use your example, if someone is sentenced to death for jay-walking, it doesn't mean they weren't jay-walking in the first place; it means they were unjustly sentenced. If that sentence were then overturned on appeal, it still doesn't mean they weren't jay-walking. Just because your punishment was too harsh, does not by default make you innocent. It means you received a punishment that was too harsh.

And the overall themes of "To Kill a Mockingbird" are the loss of innocence, and racial injustice. How does that apply here? I mean I guess I can understand a parallel between your loss of faith in Riot, and Jem's loss of faith in justice, but that just seems a bit superfluous to the conversation at hand.

Dominick Destine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=000400000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-29T04:20:36.587+0000)

That's not actually how things work.

Except it is. Reality does not bend to your emotion.

if someone is sentenced to death for jay-walking, it doesn't mean they weren't jay-walking in the first place

What's your point? I was guilty of jaywalking and was sent to death row, is the analogy.

You lost the plot.

And the overall themes of "To Kill a Mockingbird" are the loss of innocence, and racial injustice

Nonsense, it was 100% about a miscarriage of justice due to failure to respect established protocol (I.e. presumption of innocence/false accusations/punishments). The core of the story was a mock trial after all.

TrulyBland3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-29T00:28:35.562+0000)

I was not guilty of any infraction worthy of a permanent ban therefore I was innocent of the crime I was convicted and punished for.

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-29T05:06:24.238+0000) I was guilty of [the crime I was convicted and punished for]

Here's an idea: When people reply to you, maybe it might be a good idea to also read your own post again, so you understand what they are talking about. It might also help with you constantly contradicting your previous posts.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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you constantly contradicting your previous posts.

What you quoted does not contradict reality.

I am guilty of jaywalking and thus I am innocent of any crime that would merit putting me on death row. The call was wrong.

TrulyBland2 votes

I am innocent of any crime that would merit putting me on death row.

Which is not what you were saying. You were saying

I was not guilty of [...] the crime I was convicted and punished for.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. You commited chat related toxicity. You were guilty of what you were convicted and punished for.

Simple three step logic. The severity in this case doesn't make it a different crime.

Bonus logical step: Under the current system chat related toxicity merits permabans in certain cases.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Which is what you were saying.

That is correct.

You were guilty

Yes, of jaywalking. Not of multiple homicide.

TrulyBland2 votes

Yes. Just that this particular form of jaywalking can be punished with death row if it's excessive enough.

Look, it's not anybody elses fault that you picked this absurd analogy that only works in a single aspect.

Once again: You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. You commited chat related toxicity. You were guilty of what you were convicted and punished for.

Which of these logical steps is incorrect in your opinion?

Dominick Destine1 votes

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jaywalking can be punished with death row

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

TrulyBland3 votes

I'm glad we agree that your analogy is ridiculously stupid at this point.

I'll still wait for your reply on this:

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. You commited chat related toxicity. You were guilty of what you were convicted and punished for.

Which of these logical steps is incorrect in your opinion?

TrulyBland2 votes

The prior comment didn't answer the question I asked.

You were convicted and unjustly punished for chat related toxicity. You commited chat related toxicity. You were guilty of what you were convicted and unjustly punished for.

Which of these logical steps is incorrect in your opinion? It's only three, come on, you can point out the flaw, I'm sure.

TrulyBland2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000b,timestamp=2016-10-30T07:11:12.614+0000)

Except it did. Read it again.

No, you didn't. You did not refer to any of the following three statements:

You were convicted and unjustly punished for chat related toxicity. (Assumption #1) You commited chat related toxicity. (Assumption #2) You were guilty of what you were convicted and unjustly punished for. (Conclusion)

Which of these statements is incorrect in your opinion?

TrulyBland2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000d,timestamp=2016-10-30T09:02:11.764+0000)

Yes, I did, read it again.... it's not complicated.

Reading it again. No you didn't.

Let's dumb it down: You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. True or false?

TrulyBland2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000f,timestamp=2016-10-30T09:41:11.278+0000)

Very well, let me know when you are able to address the argument presented to you.

There is no need for an argument. I'm only asking for your opinion.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. True or false?

TrulyBland2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=00040000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000011,timestamp=2016-10-30T11:04:00.409+0000)

If you have no argument to present then there is nothing left to discuss. gg'd.

How can we discuss if we don't know where we disagree? I'm tired of all the strawmen and sidetracking. If you want to discuss, I want to know what we disagree on.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. True or false?

TrulyBland3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=00040000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000013,timestamp=2016-10-30T11:41:17.791+0000)

The irony here is mindblowing, you have not presented an argument.

Present your argument and we can go from there. You've already been gg'd so there is nothing left to say unless you present an argument which of course I am willing to address.

Argument for what? We still have not tracked down where we disagree, I'm trying to fix that.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. True or false?

EvilDustMan2 votes

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Argument for what? We still have not tracked down where we disagree, I'm trying to fix that.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. True or false?

Jesus christ stop, he's like a barking stupid dog, he'll never stop.

TrulyBland2 votes

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Jesus christ stop, he's like a barking stupid dog, he'll never stop.

Yeah, but I'm bored out of my mind right now, and to be honest I find it funny how he struggles answering a single yes or no question.

TrulyBland3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vHRln7I2,comment-id=00040000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000017,timestamp=2016-10-30T12:32:35.158+0000)

Against the basis of mine. There is literally nothing further to discuss if you are admitting that you have no argument to present.

And I'm trying to determine the the basis of yours.

You were convicted and punished for chat related toxicity. What's your basis on this matter?

TrulyBland8 votes

Sending a man to death row for jaywalking is always wrong.

Yeah, but temporarily deciding to arrest a man who was jaywalking until they can actually verify his identity is not. You've been explained many times by now that your permanent ban was never intended as a punishment, but as an open ended lock on your account until you write in, so your innocence (which is another very debatable point) is not even relevant to the permanent ban, because it was a security measure.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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temporarily deciding to arrest a man

I was not "temporarily arrested", I was sent to death row.

My account said "You have been permanently banned".

Riot members said I was permanently banned. The reason I was explicitely given by RIOT THEMSELVES was 'toxicity'. Your argument is pure nonsense.

And remember it was only significantly later that the permaban was overturned because "Going from zero to permaban is the punishment you received but Riot Games wishes to give everyone the chance to reform".

but as an open ended lock on your account until you write in, so your innocence (which is another very debatable point) is not even relevant to the permanent ban, because it was a security

Oh okay so it's for my own good that I was punished under false pretenses and sent from zero-to-permaban. That's perfectly logical.... except for the part the beginning... and the end... and everything between, yeah.

Don't forget that I was also suspended for two weeks despite having ZERO punishment tier on my account. Was that "for my own good" too?

TrulyBland6 votes

Here's what happened:

  1. You were toxic.
  2. Riot noticed.
  3. Riot locked your account until you write in.
  4. You write in.
  5. You get punished with a 14-day ban.

The purpose of step #3 is to make sure your account hasn't been compromised, so it was indeed for your own good. But it's not a fucking punishment. Your punishment was a 14-day ban.

When you commit a minor crime you can still be arrested until your identity has been confirmed. That doesn't mean you were punished with jail time.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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You were toxic

Sure, on a low level I acknowledge that.

Riot noticed.

Ok.

Riot permabanned your account

That's EXACTLY THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.

It must not occur, ever, a man must never be sent to death row for jaywalking.

TrulyBland7 votes

Oh, the problem is that you are making up things? I see.

YOU WERE NOT PERMANENTLY BANNED

Your account was locked to confirm that your account was not compromised. Your account most likely didn't say it was "permabanned" either, because Riot only uses this term colloquially on forum posts. They typically use the term "permanently suspended", which is not necessarily a punishment. A suspension can be the cause of a punishment, but it can also be a formality, or a security measure. The term "permanent" should probably have been replaced with "indefinite", but all of that is moot because you got a mail telling you specifically to write a support ticket to them to clear things up.

That's why your jaywalking argument is bullshit, because death row is never a formality, it is always a punishment. Which an indefinite / permanent lock / ban / suspension is not.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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YOU WERE NOT PERMANENTLY BANNED

Except when it said it was permabanned and when Riot confirmed it.

It was confirmed, the reason was allegedly "toxicity".

Your account was locked to confirm that your account was not compromised.

Bullshit.

Your account most likely didn't say it was "permabanned" either

It said "permaban". But alright, semantics, it said "Your account has been permanently suspended" which is what we mean when we say "permaban".

This is not debatable, that is what it said, that is a fact.

permanent suspension is ....a punishment

That is exactly right.

death row is never a formality, it is always a punishment.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.

TrulyBland9 votes

Bullshit.

The only time you actually adress the central argument instead of diving into nitpicky semantic arguments (ones you are even wrong about), and it's essentially equal to saying "Nananananananana I can't hear you".

Here's the bottom line that can't be resolved: You think Riot wanted to punish you with the indefinite lock, Riot says they didn't.

And given all of your posts on this subject you are so fucking biased on this subject, that Riot Tantram's title could literally be propaganda minister of Riot and I'd still consider his explanation more credible than your paranoid rambling. Especially given that you have a history of being intentionally misleading (by your own admission) when talking about your case.

Edit: I also see you've adjusted your post regarding the "permaban" vs. "permanent suspension" thing. You still seem to be convinced that "suspension" automatically implies punishment, but hey, baby steps.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Riot wanted to punish you with the indefinite lock

That is correct.

Especially given that you have a history of being intentionally misleading (by your own admission) when talking about your case.

I have no interest in being "misleading", but when people are raising absolute lies, I will correct them. That is not "misleading" that is literally the opposite.

TrulyBland3 votes

Riot wanted to punish you with the indefinite lock

Where's your proof for that? Also, seriously, just stop altering peoples' quotes, it's just childish at this point. Even from your point of view that didn't need any correction. Riot did say that they didn't intend to punish you with that lock. That's a fact.

And about you being misleading: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/gxTzEErZ-i-just-got-banned-for-nothing?comment=0000000000020001000000000000000000000000

You said:

I don't "Fail" to mention anything, I say exactly what I mean to say.

After being explained in detail why your post was misleading as well as being directly accused of lying by omission.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Where's your proof for that?

The fact that my account was permanently banned and Riot confirmed this , further telling me directly that the cause was "toxicity". Do you have any evidence supporting your argument that compares to the myriad evidence I have ? oh yeah, you have nothing.

You said

And that was correct.

I said exactly what I meant to say. That others , like people that I will not mention, fail to understand even basic words, is not an issue on my end.

Riot did say that they didn't intend to punish you

It doesn't matter what someone claimed that Riot "intended to do" but rather what they did.

TrulyBland4 votes

The term "suspension" does not imply punishment. Suspending an account (could be any account, including bank accounts) as a temporary security measure is very very common.

The root for all of this happening was toxicity. So obviously the cause is toxicity. That might imply that you are being punished, but it doesn't imply that the permanent lock you have received was the punishment.

Where's the "myriad evidence"? That was two points, both of which are easily debunked.

And you apparently still don't know what "lying by omission" means. Not understanding basic words is one thing. Not understanding the intended meaning of ambiguous words is another. And simply not being aware of information you are intentionally leaving out of your posts is something else entirely.

TrulyBland5 votes

What possible bizzaro logic could you employ to argue that perma-ban is not a punishment.

I'm not arguing that.

I'm arguing that a !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SUSPENSION!!!!!!!!!!!!! is not necessarily a punishment.

Suspension.

Just to be clear, because you know, you quoted me and still managed to get it wrong:

I'm talking about a suspension. Repeat after me: Sus-pen-sion.

A suspension merely refers to the state of a locked account. There are a huge amount of reasons you might want to lock an account. My account was permanently suspended once. When my NA account was merged with my EU account, since it's easier to do the manual transfer of skins, champions etc. while there's no chance of anybody playing on that account.

People often come to the forums with a permanently suspended account when there have been billing issues, so Riot locks them until they are resolved. Others are permanently suspended because Riot, you guessed it, was worried there was an attempt to hack the account.

Suspending an account does not imply punishment. It can be used as a form of punishment. But at it's core, it is just what it is: Making it impossible to use an account for a given duration.

Edit: Also way to ignore an argument by only quoting the part that "agrees" with you when taken out of context. Here's another shot at this, too:

The words you used were ambiguous and you left out information that was impossible to reconstruct from your post. There's a phrase for that, and that phrase is: Lying by omission.

Alpha Samsuni3 votes

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Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/gxTzEErZ-i-just-got-banned-for-nothing?comment=0000000000020001000000000000000000000000

Thank you for that source, look at this;

your account was perma-banned

By Riot Tantram.

Sure he later explains why, but that is irrelevant. The account was perma-banned which is my entire point.

TrulyBland4 votes

And look at this:

Your account most likely didn't say it was "permabanned" either, because Riot only uses this term colloquially on forum posts.

Which is exactly what happened here. He adapted to your use of the word so you are referring to the same thing.

I started this argument because you tried to argue that a permaban is automatically a punishment. Tantram himself explained the nature of the "permaban" already, so there was no need to argue about the word itself.

Horse Grenades8 votes

Talking to Domick is useless. He will never address the core issue of anyone's arguments. He just keeps repeating his poor logic argument. Toxic. Account locked until response. Response. Account given punishment (appropriately). Bitches constantly about being appropriately banned.

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