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Suspended for 14 days.

Mosh Warrior··2 votes·1,347 views

Hi guys,

Let me start off with I am a very friendly dude. I'm always the first to greet in lobbies, and always try to make good conversation/pre-game motivational speeches.

I've received two mutes and now a 14-day suspension for dealing with trolls. One game example: ranked, Cait bot/Lux mid duo, I go to gank, gank gets turned around and we die. Lux starts flaming me immediately, calling me bronze/bad/etc and telling me to kill myself. Muted him. Cait then proceeds to follow me into the jungle after they pushed their turret, takes jungle monsters/buffs from me, and keeps harassing, calling names, etc. I eventually told him he was an asshole and told him I was going to report him, and then I got muted and that game was used as the example why. Srs?

Second mute. Get bad jungle WW who kept trying to counter jungle and was getting killed (I think he was 0/4 at 8mins), I told him verbatim "stop trying to counter jungle, clear your jungle and gank for your team" and he started flaming me. Kept doing it all game. I told him he obviously didn't know what he was doing and we lost. Got muted for 25-games.

These were a few weeks ago. Fastforward to today, got kicked out in a ranked queue for 14-day suspension. I haven't been swearing as much but I have been trying to guide people (ie. "please stop trying to 1v1 and cs under turret until we can gank), and putting them in their place when they react like dickheads. So my question is, how is it fair that we as players get suspended when people are being toxic assholes in the first place and it puts us over the edge? I understand the "two rights don't make a wrong" type of argument, but when someone provokes you, of course you're going to react that way. People recommend muting, but sometimes people need guidance, don't know how to use pings well, don't even watch for pings and etc. Sometimes you need a good old "STOP LANING AND GROUP" to convince someone to leave their turret at 32mins.

I shouldn't have to mute others because they're socially stupid and don't know how to say things besides "kill yourself" or play normal roles (just had an Illaoi supp the game before I got suspended. Told him not to do it, did it anyway, went 0/10/9, blamed us for his stupid shit).

26 Comments

redniwediS3 votes

If you really are as nice as you claim to be then you have to understand something, retaliation is not a valid way of defending yourself. You're defending yourself when you're going out of your way to avoid yourself from being hurt, or hurt more, not when you're trying to hurt someone else in kind. "An eye for an eye" is supposed to be a limiting phrase, not a call to arms. They will get the punishment they deserve, all you have to do is wait and let the system do it's job.

I'm not saying you went at them with the same level of vitriol they were throwing their way, but when it comes to the rules the level of toxicity in your behavior rarely matters when deciding if you were or were not behaving in a negative way.

EDIT: Your chat log shows you arguing. Was the argument absolutely, 100% necessary for the victory of that game? Or was it you venting in chat and unloading your own frustrations on your team, who have their own frustrations to deal with? That is negative behavior, and negative behavior is punishable according to the rules.

I understand the "two rights don't make a wrong" type of argument, but when someone provokes you, of course you're going to react that way.

No. You claim this is an inevitable outcome, but it's really not. The majority of people who play this game, as of the last time Riot shared the statistics on punishments, have the self control to not be provoked often enough to warrant a punishment. If these punishments are hitting you all of a sudden then perhaps you should take a step back and ask yourself why you are reacting more forcefully to these people than usual.

People recommend muting, but sometimes people need guidance, don't know how to use pings well, don't even watch for pings and etc. Sometimes you need a good old "STOP LANING AND GROUP" to convince someone to leave their turret at 32mins.

As the old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". Sometimes people do indeed need guidance, but if they are unwilling to listen to you there is literally nothing positive you can do for them. Just keep an eye on your temper and don't mistake being retaliatory for being forceful when making calls.

These kinds of punishments are easily avoided if you are watching your own behavior and don't let trolls or flamers get under your skin. When simple self control isn't enough to keep your head level that is the time to make liberal use of the mute button, and is usually time to take a break from playing to cool off.

You shouldn't have to mute others, but that doesn't place the guilt of your own actions on anyone but yourself. Good luck keeping your cool in game, you're account's at the end of the punishment list so hopefully you won't need it.

Mosh Warrior1 votes

I get your points, but how is someone supposed to deal with it? I shouldn't have to go into games muting my entire team in the first 3 seconds. That's not enjoyable to me. Shit like this happens ALL the time in silver (was gold 2 but placements decided to put me in silver 4), and making the climb is almost impossible because so many people are toxic/bad and unwilling to take advice/try to be a one man carry/etc. Everyone gets salty sometimes, I'm not denying that, but I'm also not an asshole.

redniwediS1 votes

Dealing with frustration is a life skill everyone has to learn at some point in their lives. Take some time to let yourself cool off, perhaps even a significant amount of time, and take a better look at the standard suggestions people throw around. I'll admit this section of the boards isn't the best, but there is a lot of good advice to be found here if you're willing to listen.

Mosh Warrior2 votes

What do you do then? Because IRL I don't have issues with getting angry or anything but in-game I have trouble with dealing with trolls/hard heads/douchebags.

AmazoX4 votes

Feelings are IRL, Your feelings Ignited and created a spark of anger that you took it out.

redniwediS3 votes

The main thing that frustrates me in League are my own mistakes. Missing CS that I should easily be getting, going for a risky build order when I know I shouldn't and being punished for it, and other things like that really tilt me. Once I'm tilted I'll admit I start taking on a rather negative viewpoint when looking at allies who are doing poorly.

When I start getting frustrated I finish the game that frustrated me, vent to a friend or two for a bit if I feel the need, and then step away from the game. I like competition and pushing myself to improve, but if it stops being fun then the point of playing a video game is already lost. I'll do something that can take my mind off the game for a little while, even something as simple as making a hot beverage or eating a snack, and if I'm still feeling frustrated or annoyed afterward I won't go back to playing League.

When I get frustrated I require distance from the thing that frustrated me. I don't have too much of a problem dealing with these people because I give myself the time and space I need to deal with them properly. You can try it if you like, but not everyone can deal with this sort of stuff the same way. With a little experimentation you'll figure out what works best for you.

AmazoX3 votes

Let me tell how this dumb system works, In your example:

  1. You used the word ''Asshole''
  2. You said you are going to report him

Second mute is impossible for you to get reported and take a punishment that way if you haven't said broke any summoner code.

I know the feeling, My main account got on a 2 week suspension, I never touched that account again being scared that I would get permanently banned If I become toxic, So I created this account and so far didn't get any chat restriction on this account for months.

Game one:

  1. Report him, please thanks
  2. Because you're bad. We told you not to Illaoi support and you did anyway.

Those 2 sentences are the reason. According to Riot Games, Telling in Chat to ''Report this person'' or ''I will report you'' is considered offensive.

I don't blame you though, Although what Riot Games wants us to do at these moments is, Be the mature person and use the power of muting them, Collect pieces of your mind, Shut yourself from the outside world and fully immerse into the match and beat your opponents.

It'll be hard at first, Trying not to tell the toxic players anything, Like your shackled with millions of chains and it's slowly sucking the fun out of you, But You'll get used to it & it will make you a better person. I say this from experience. Love your name Mosh Warrior.

Mosh Warrior1 votes

I appreciate your response and will probably refrain from ever typing in any situation when my suspension is lifted. Even when I am positive, I still get douchebag teammates pretty often regardless.

AmazoX2 votes

Yeah just don't use any negative words or literally the word Report, Because that's how Riot Games fail system works, As long as you don't do any of that & don't go afk or feed and play well, But can BM, You can say CY@ when the enemy dies, You can be toxic in a way by being positive and using sarcasm as your strong force if you want to trigger enemies without getting detected by the system, Like if a player fails a flash who was toxic, You could say, ''Nice flash LUL'' It'll trigger them so hard without being detected by the fail system. [slayer-jinx-wink]

SavageConcordia3 votes

You harassed illaoi literally all game. Yeah you don't have to swear if you spend 20+ min (and I assume this started in pick/ban lobby) harassing a person they will likely report you. Illaoi probably reported you, you've had multiple chat restrictions and you are not showing any real reform.

Totalwanabe2 votes

well you're toxic that much is obvious from your post alone and even in your first 5 lines i already see a reason for a punishment congrat for the 2 week bans keep it up you're heading straight for that wall. i won't stop you en joy the ride while it last.

Eunson2 votes

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Hi guys,

Let me start off with I am a very friendly dude. I'm always the first to greet in lobbies, and always try to make good conversation/pre-game motivational speeches.

These are always the most toxic people in game.

Mosh Warrior1 votes

Not really. I feel like you're just a negative person. I asked a question, why do we have to deal with this/how do you deal with this and you haven't even answered it in either of your comments.

Magical Player1 votes

I'll reply for this. Why do we have to deal with trolls/afk/feeders? A: they're not banned yet What should your response be in these instances? A: Mute and report, open a support ticket if you feel its warranted

A simple way to make people behave more, is if riot added a requirement that you need to provide proof of existing to your account. and anyone can look it up. Anonymity is good and bad, we can talk big shit without getting hit online, but irl we'd get hit

iDabWax2 votes

same shit is happening to me sorry man its really bullshit

Mosh Warrior1 votes

Just received text from the Illaoi game. Note no swearing, nothing bad, just me stating the obvious. No blowing up, no threats, etc. ONLY me telling them what I said in the pre-game chat, that Illaoi supp isn't viable and not to do it. I did Braum jungle and did actually play to win, but our team got rekt.

Game 1 Mosh Warrior: carry us illaoi supp Mosh Warrior: with your E's into minions and taking gold from your adc Mosh Warrior: ty teemo for the leash Mosh Warrior: mmmmmmm what a surprise Mosh Warrior: farm til 6 mundo Mosh Warrior: ? Mosh Warrior: illaoi sup op Mosh Warrior: mundo Mosh Warrior: you asked us not to troll Mosh Warrior: but 0/3 Mosh Warrior: NAH DUDE Mosh Warrior: ILLAOI SUPP OP Mosh Warrior: LET HIM SHOW YOU Mosh Warrior: not whenn he's fged Mosh Warrior: i straight up told you Mosh Warrior: farm til 6 Mosh Warrior: NAH TEEMO Mosh Warrior: ILLAOI SUPP IS OP Mosh Warrior: 5EVER Mosh Warrior: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mosh Warrior: and? lol Mosh Warrior: i'm 0/1 Mosh Warrior: i told you Mosh Warrior: fight til 6 Mosh Warrior: farm til 6* Mosh Warrior: and you kept feeding Mosh Warrior: sure Mosh Warrior: make excuses Mosh Warrior: 0/1 Mosh Warrior: you're 1/4 Mosh Warrior: ^ Mosh Warrior: 1/3* mistype but regardless Mosh Warrior: go illaoi go Mosh Warrior: skillset of a bronze 12 Mosh Warrior: because you're bad, we told you not to illaoi sup and you did anyway Mosh Warrior: report him please, thanks ~~ Mosh Warrior: no, i said if you do it i'm gonna sona jungle, and then decided to braum instead Mosh Warrior: showing you unconventional lanes don't work Mosh Warrior: you fed your lane and illaoi is why we're losing lol. Mosh Warrior: go illaoi go Mosh Warrior: show them Mosh Warrior: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mosh Warrior: why would i gank when all of your lanes are fed? Mosh Warrior: sure Mosh Warrior: fight fight fight Mosh Warrior: show them illaoi supp's true potential Mosh Warrior: ? Mosh Warrior: i'm not flaming Mosh Warrior: i'm jungling and pointing out that what i said is true Mosh Warrior: illaoi supp is not feasible in ranked Mosh Warrior: dude i watched you bot Mosh Warrior: you got hooked so many times and overextended Mosh Warrior: lol sure mundo. sure. Mosh Warrior: go mundo go Mosh Warrior: carry us Mosh Warrior: ^ Mosh Warrior: sure. Mosh Warrior: illaoi gets hooked by every Q, overextends, takes illaoi supp Mosh Warrior: alternative facts aren't truth illaoi Mosh Warrior: i didn't give up Mosh Warrior: if i gave up i would've afk'ed or left lobby lol Mosh Warrior: idk why you guys are bitching to the enemy team Mosh Warrior: attempted initiation but all of you are fed unfortunately Mosh Warrior: point proven Mosh Warrior: but yes, continue to blame me for bot lane's excessive feeding ^^

Dynikus8 votes

Mosh Warrior: no, i said if you do it i'm gonna sona jungle, and then decided to braum instead Mosh Warrior: showing you unconventional lanes don't work

So because your support chose to go illaoi, you decided to troll and play braum jungle just to show him how unconventional picks are bad? You deserved the 14 day suspension for more than just your chat, honestly. You ruined that game for 3 other people for no reason on top of being obnoxious all game. You came out before jungle camps even spawned and were already saying passive aggressive shit to illaoi.

Eunson2 votes

Perma ban imo

Mosh Warrior2 votes

Perma ban for having a troll duo bot and a feeding top lane that blamed all of us? Sure, my reaction was pretty shitty but I disagree with you. This happens pretty often in silver. People do dumb shit and don't care and eventually I get irritated because of it.

Eunson1 votes

People do this all the way to Challenger, it doesn't change. The toxic trolls need a perma ban.

AmazoX2 votes

EUNSON you don't get it do you? The toxic trolls are the REASON He did what he did. I don't blame him, His anger is understandable.

Eunson1 votes

He's also a toxic troll if he does it. What am I missing.

Dynikus4 votes

People do dumb shit and don't care and eventually I get irritated because of it.

So your reaction is to stoop down to their level and pick troll picks yourself? Who's to say the illaoi support wouldn't have worked had they had a real jungler helping? They had an illaoi support game prior to that one and went 4/3/3 with the 2nd most damage dealt. and you ended the game 0/6/4 with less than 30% kill participation, meanwhile the "troll botlane" illaoi support had 71% kill participation, and your "feeding toplane" ended 5/7/0. You threw that game by picking braum jungle and flaming your team the entire time.

69469238DEL11 votes

why don't you stop typing in chat and just focus on playing better?

Man In Sky1 votes

Lmao why do kids type so much in game? So annoying to see posts like these and they question their ban and they have a wall of useless in game chat that only contributes to their toxicity.

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