First Time I Get Banned Is A 14 Day Ban

HavocCraze··3 votes·15,271 views

I recently got banned for toxic communication in a normal game. Now I'm not saying i was justified or not toxic but I have been playing this game for 2.5-3 years and i have not ever been banned nor have I ever received LPQ. But after this game one player who was being what I perceived to be just as toxic reported me and I did not bother to report him. 5 minutes later I am banned for 14 days. This is my first instance of being toxic and now you are telling me the next instance could be a perma ban. I fee like this is extremely harsh especially 90% of what i said that game was in response top the other player being toxic as well. My coms that game were as follows: Game 1 HavocCraze: kys HavocCraze: you didnt auto him when i went in HavocCraze: no u didnt HavocCraze: he didnt have a ring around him HavocCraze: stun? HavocCraze: 4 mid btw HavocCraze: 5 HavocCraze: no' HavocCraze: no HavocCraze: no HavocCraze: no HavocCraze: bronze/silver vall HavocCraze: they dont have long death timers HavocCraze: stfu HavocCraze: u are so bad at macro HavocCraze: brand HavocCraze: wp HavocCraze: wp HavocCraze: i go oom too fast HavocCraze: kys HavocCraze: you r silver HavocCraze: finish baron next time HavocCraze: i have ga HavocCraze: idiot brand HavocCraze: pinging me HavocCraze: dont ping me you bronze player HavocCraze: wait he actually is bronze HavocCraze: wtf HavocCraze: im plat kys

This game as I look back on what i said has what i believe to be 4 lines of toxic behavior and I apologize and I understand kys is a very harsh this to say. However, the player I was talking to was spam pinging me throughout the entire game, asking for the other player to buy him a skin, attempting to steal my jungle camps, and picking me out saying things such as "bad jg" "usless Kha". I understand reactions like this are not justified and I should have just muted the player and finished the game honorably. But a 14 day ban after a history of being an honorable player and being one for the first players that I saw to receive honor lvl 3 even among streamers made me feel like this ban unfair. On my personal bias I would say I should not have been banned at all, but reflecting on my communicaiton this game I would understand a 1-2 day ban or a chat restriction for 10-20 games. However, for my first offence, no history of being dishonorable, and only 4 lines of toxicity a 14 day ban seems unjustified.

48 Comments

ModThe Djinn11 votes

Encouraging self-harm ("kys") is treated the same as hate speech: zero tolerance, and a 14-day ban in the first offense. It's considered entirely unacceptable behavior.

Squidwards House3 votes

riots system is weird (hey again djinn) not too long ago i had a guy spam me for being from austria (you know sieg he... not kangaroos) and tell me to gas myself and cut myself and hang myself. ~2 weeks ago. it was like 5am aram so i had this guy again the next game but he was on enemy team. take a guess what he spammed in all chat about a teammate. yea. "french fuck choke yourself to death with a baguette" etc. this guy is still playing. even right now. i checked.

Naga the god2 votes

Shouldn't we consider intention as well?

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=my eyes,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uyBvjPxm,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2017-08-03T04:18:26.598+0000)

Shouldn't we consider intention as well?

Impossible to do on the internet with any reliability, and also a slippery slope. For example: I wasn't REALLY calling him [slur]...my friends and I use that word to mean "friend!"

Gibo51lt2 votes

So let's just ban everyone without being able to tell intention, toxic or not? You also ban someone if they type "why you calling me a retard?"

VansOffTheWall1 votes

Hello there is it possible if you can answer my question. I just My my first ban (first punish) 14day ban. I’m stressed over about it, I spend quite lot of money into this game. How do I like “refresh” my punish, like avoiding the prema ban. What can I do to stop it. Thank you for your time if you help me.

Dolyna1 votes

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Hello there is it possible if you can answer my question. I just My my first ban (first punish) 14day ban. I’m stressed over about it, I spend quite lot of money into this game. How do I like “refresh” my punish, like avoiding the prema ban. What can I do to stop it. Thank you for your time if you help me.

Stay completely positive in chat, or don't use chat at all. No matter what anyone else does, ignore it, mute them, report them after the game, and don't ask others to report (because it's useless and harassment).

VansOffTheWall1 votes

Thank you so much for answering it, I was get stress over it. Now it not that much now. Thank you for your time.

Azure Hamster5 votes

I was gifted Arclight Vel'Koz by a player who literally killed himself about six months later. Makes me sad every time I see it. That shit is fucking serious, man.

Caitlyn

HavocCraze1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azure Hamster,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uyBvjPxm,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-08-02T13:55:48.326+0000)

I was gifted Arclight Vel'Koz by a player who literally killed himself about six months later. Makes me sad every time I see it. That shit is fucking serious, man.

Caitlyn

I'm aware that suicide is an issue and I apologize I did not mean to make fun of the issue.

gabetheguy3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azure Hamster,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uyBvjPxm,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-08-02T13:55:48.326+0000)

I was gifted Arclight Vel'Koz by a player who literally killed himself about six months later. Makes me sad every time I see it. That shit is fucking serious, man.

Caitlyn

no offense, but I doubt it's because somebody typed "kys" on league.

Azure Hamster2 votes

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no offense, but I doubt it's because somebody typed "kys" on league.

None taken. I'm just illustrating that it's a serious issue, and it should be treated as such. I doubt it affected him. But we don't know who it could affect. So it's best just to stop saying "kys".

Caitlyn

HavocCraze2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azure Hamster,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uyBvjPxm,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2017-08-02T14:08:39.761+0000)

None taken. I'm just illustrating that it's a serious issue, and it should be treated as such. I doubt it affected him. But we don't know who it could affect. So it's best just to stop saying "kys".

Caitlyn

I will

Beas7ie1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azure Hamster,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uyBvjPxm,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2017-08-02T14:08:39.761+0000)

None taken. I'm just illustrating that it's a serious issue, and it should be treated as such. I doubt it affected him. But we don't know who it could affect. So it's best just to stop saying "kys".

Caitlyn

Kys or short for "Kill your self" is considered an extremely serious offense by Riot. If Riot considered a punishment for this game was warranted without it, the punishment probably would have been a 10 game chat restriction.

The KYS boosts that up to immediate 14 day ban. Also keep in mind that the next punishment PERIOD will be a permaban after this.

Azure Hamster1 votes

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Kys or short for "Kill your self" is considered an extremely serious offense by Riot. If Riot considered a punishment for this game was warranted without it, the punishment probably would have been a 10 game chat restriction.

The KYS boosts that up to immediate 14 day ban. Also keep in mind that the next punishment PERIOD will be a permaban after this.

Yup, I'm glad Riot is serious about it.

Caitlyn

HavocCraze4 votes

Not to mention I skipped the first 2 warnings that riot normally gives players for being toxic.

DemonCrow4 votes

So yea.....crying over spilled milk for saying KYS. Yup..deserve 14 days ban for sure.

HavocCraze1 votes

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So yea.....crying over spilled milk for saying KYS. Yup..deserve 14 days ban for sure.

lol what

Geauxx3 votes

So someone flamed you and your response is flame back, that's not a justified reason to believe you don't deserve it.

And you've been flaming enough to get a 14 day ban.... you don't get random 14 days after only one game unless you were using hate speech.

Well you did say "kys" that could be it. I'm pretty sure you're normally toxic though.

SciFi Scrivener3 votes

As soon as you typed "kys" you deserved the ban. Suicide is not a thing to use as a troll dig to flame people with. Grow up and never do it again.

HavocCraze3 votes

I understand what you mean by saying I deserve the ban for saying kys and I never said that I thought what I said was acceptable. But what I am arguing is that this one game gave me a 14 day ban. I am not normally that toxic at least I believe so because all I play is ranked and the only times I type in ranked is gj or wp.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

You are using strong offensive words which brings you a strong punishment. The less and softer you flame the softer your punishment gets. Sounds easy, yea?

HavocCraze3 votes

I am just concerned how it went to a 14 day ban right away. I would have changed my behavior if they gave me the normal order which is 10 games chat ban, 20 games chat ban, 14 day ban, perma ban. Instead riot skipped those previous tiers.

DemonCrow1 votes

Its like when you are riding a bicycle then purposely put a metal rod into the bicycle rim and fall down then proceed to blame RIOT for making you fall down.

ModPeriscope2 votes

They have escalated punishments for hate speech and encouraging to self harm. I know suicide may not be a problem for you, but you have no idea what the other people are going through across the screen.

You mention in particular ping spamming. Are you aware of ping muting? This can be found on the scoreboard.

HavocCraze2 votes

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They have escalated punishments for hate speech and encouraging to self harm. I know suicide may not be a problem for you, but you have no idea what the other people are going through across the screen.

You mention in particular ping spamming. Are you aware of ping muting? This can be found on the scoreboard.

I'm aware and in hindsight I really should have. My ego got in my way and a dumb mistake by me.

HavocCraze2 votes

I feel this way because I have received a lot worse "flame" in this game and reported people who have not been banned. I see kys in probably 50% of ranked games so I apologize but I underestimated how serious people take it.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Except I think you need to realize: If you were just punished for it, how can you assume no one else has but you? Riot doesn't know you from Adam. They don't know you personally. Some people say those things and aren't punished, I'm sure. But if you were punished for it, that means that other people were too.

HavocCraze1 votes

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Except I think you need to realize: If you were just punished for it, how can you assume no one else has but you? Riot doesn't know you from Adam. They don't know you personally. Some people say those things and aren't punished, I'm sure. But if you were punished for it, that means that other people were too.

Correct me if I am wrong but does it not notify you in the client if your report worked?

zPOOPz1 votes

Only if your report is the very last one that trigger the review and subsequent punishment for that person. There are also 8 other people in that game. For all you know, after you file your report, 1 of the other 8 will also report the toxic player and ONLY the very last one to submit the report (if it results in a punishment) will receive the notification.

If you want to be sure you get a notification, might as well wait until everyone leave and then file your report to make sure you are the very last report

(If there are multiple ignites on your team and everyone use it on the same person, make sure you are the last one to ignite to have the highest chance of getting the kill)

summoner 14

Colgate Gator2 votes

{quoted}

I recently got banned for toxic communication in a normal game. Now I'm not saying i was justified or not toxic but I have been playing this game for 2.5-3 years and i have not ever been banned nor have I ever received LPQ. But after this game one player who was being what I perceived to be just as toxic reported me and I did not bother to report him. 5 minutes later I am banned for 14 days. This is my first instance of being toxic and now you are telling me the next instance could be a perma ban. I fee like this is extremely harsh especially 90% of what i said that game was in response top the other player being toxic as well. My coms that game were as follows: Game 1 HavocCraze: kys

Literally the first fucking log, godamn it.

HavocCraze1 votes

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Literally the first fucking log, godamn it.

You are pointing out what i already know. I was annoyed at what the other player said. Yes I was out of line.

Yeezy4presid3nt2 votes

Some times 14 day bans are really random. I remember when riot implemented their new tribunal system back in 2015 and were throwing 14 day bans left and right. I had an account in level 15 with no previous toxicity and the worst thing I did was call a riven player in my team a fucking scrub. And I got an instant 14 day ban. For some reason though they removed the ban after 5 days and sent an email saying they had made a mistake. So apperently you can get unbanned lol

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

You are on the last step now. That KYS stuff escalated to the 14 day ban which is normal. The next thing which is considered as flame will get you a perma ban.

I am talking about things like this

HavocCraze: idiot brand HavocCraze: pinging me HavocCraze: dont ping me you bronze player

verysalt1 votes

Threatens or harm inflicting comments are instant 14 days ban at least. Depending on circumstances it might even be a perma ban without previous warning.

Beas7ie1 votes

HavocCraze: stfu HavocCraze: u are so bad at macro HavocCraze: idiot brand HavocCraze: dont ping me you bronze player

And most importantly

DUN DUN DU!

HavocCraze: kys

HavocCraze2 votes

{quoted}

HavocCraze: stfu HavocCraze: u are so bad at macro HavocCraze: idiot brand HavocCraze: dont ping me you bronze player

And most importantly

DUN DUN DU!

HavocCraze: kys

Yes, your point? I never said what i said was ok. What i said was I feel the punishment is extreme and if riot thinks this punishment is justified then ban both me and the other player.

Beas7ie1 votes

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Yes, your point? I never said what i said was ok. What i said was I feel the punishment is extreme and if riot thinks this punishment is justified then ban both me and the other player.

The bolded part as I explained before is the reason for the extreme punishment. Whether or not you agree with it, things like KYS, %%%, and any type of racial, ethnic, or sexual preference slurs are ALWAYS a 14 day ban. It should be pretty common knowledge by now. That's not my rules, that's Riot's and you agreed to follow them when you clicked OK on that TOS to make your account.

As for banning the other player, I can't weigh in on that as I can only see your chat, not his. You'd have to be able to get his chatlog as well, or better yet a replay of the game for me to see if anything he did warranted a ban.

SavageConcordia1 votes

Game 1 HavocCraze: kys

Welp. That clears that one up.

HavocCraze3 votes

My question is does this one game portray such negativity that i do not deserve the typical 10 game chat ban?

1374341 votes

Yes. Kys (which you say 3x) will get your punishment bumped up. You are lucky you have never got chat restricted before or else you would probably be looking at a permaban.

zPOOPz1 votes

What you are given is a SAMPLE of what got you punished. It just so happened to be the most severe. However, most if not all people do not get punishment just for the one game. You may had accumulate toxicity meter over time and this is the one that pushed it way over the line.

When people complain about their punishment, you must remember that what you are given are 1 to 3 SAMPLES of your toxic games. It is not necessary the ONLY toxic games you have on your record. If Rito sent out every single games that is part of what built up your toxic meter, we'd probably be here reading until the sun come down.

People bite down too hard on the SAMPLES they are given and claim that it is not THAT toxic, but many failed to comprehend that they most likely have OTHERS toxic games on records Rito did not sent them.

SavageConcordia1 votes

Yes. Honestly I have seen cases where telling people to kill themselves gets an instant permaban. You should consider yourself lucky you only got a 14 day ban.

archerno11 votes

Legit first thing u said in game is enough proof that your ban is justified...

Siegfriedx11 votes

Man, very first line in the game: Kys.

That was so fucking fast lol

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