If there was no punishment system, the game wouldn't be as toxic as it is.

MAD is OP·3/28/2016, 1:12:17 AM·3 votes·1,828 views

Has toxicity gone down due to Riot punishing its players for being "toxic"? From my experience that answer is no and i will try to prove why this answer is no.

Lets start by taking a look at the history of "punishment". Punishment: is a term used in operant conditioning to refer to any change that occurs after a behavior, that in theory reduces the likelihood that that behavior will occur again in the future. Now the problem with this is that punishment doesn't always stop the undesired behavior. Why is it that punishment seems to work in some instances, but not in others? Researchers have found a number of factors that contribute to how effective punishment is in different situations. First, punishment is more likely to lead to a reduction in behavior if it immediately follows the behavior. Which the new system is much better at.

Ok so there must be more to why this system clearly isn't working. So other research on how to make it more effective states, punishment achieves greater results when it is consistently applied. Ok so, the system seemingly is doing this for toxic chat, but wait, what consistently applies punishment to people who don't make it so obvious that they are trolling. From what I see they only consistently punish players for bad language or hateful remarks or even calling players noobs and trolls... Also from my experience this bad language usually only occurs after players purposely do something to another player using their gameplay, so called "trolling". So the problem with the system is it is only trying to mask the real issue at hand. The only way to stop the anger of the players, is to stop the source of the frustration, not by just silencing the frustrated players. The problem here is that the system has a major flaw, the theory behind it is seemingly on the right track but in order to consistently punish deemed "bad" behavior, you have to punish everyone involved. This does not happen right now. When the system is flawed and you anger people by punishing only one source of deemed "bad" behavior, these same people are going to come back and abuse the system until it is fixed.

In order for this system to work properly ALL forms of "bad" behavior must be punished or they shouldn't be punishing at all. This is the exact reason there are more and more trolls and it is getting harder and harder for players to keep their patience, because we can see that the system is not working, having to deal with the flaws of this system is actually causing more frustration then there was in the first place.

82 Comments

FrankerX3/28/2016, 1:16:49 AM13 votes

hitting enter every now and then doesnt hurt man. most ppl wont read that ugly wall of text.

o Maui o3/28/2016, 2:15:23 AM11 votes

What is with the flood of people lately coming in here trying to explain to Riot what the One True Source of toxicity is? Is this a talking point circulating around Reddit or something?

Riot knows that player frustration isn't created in a vacuum. They are not somehow oblivious to this very obvious fact. What isn't clear to them is why one person's bad behavior should justify someone else's bad behavior. It doesn't, because that is silly. Remember those three wonderful proverbs: Two wrongs don't make a right. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. Don't be a jerk.

Randomonium3/28/2016, 1:20:17 AM10 votes

Next on the news! Charging people with murder actually increases homicide rates!

MasterSomething3/28/2016, 2:09:48 AM9 votes

What the fuck... Dude, I'm not reading this. Put a TL;DR or make your writing legible.

Tearin True3/28/2016, 1:22:32 AM7 votes

You are ignorant of statistics. The truth is the game is far less toxic than it was before the behavior modification system was put in place

Reaper Review3/28/2016, 1:20:55 AM5 votes

If this game wasn't as toxic as it is, the punishment system wouldn't need to be this harsh.

Voidner3/28/2016, 4:31:45 AM5 votes
J E B A ł T E D3/28/2016, 7:45:50 PM3 votes

Sure, just how if there wasn't laws, nobody would do anything bad? Get real bro, you're quite naive and don't understand humans yet.

RisenDarkKnight3/28/2016, 9:26:56 PM2 votes

There are several faulty assumptions in your post: first that are more trolls now which I don't think is true, second: that players are losing their patience with trolls, which is happening to some players, but I don't think it is worse now than any other point in league history, third you are assuming that people usually are toxic in chat because of players that are trolling, however, people are very frequently toxic even if no one is trolling.