having a poor performance counts as "intentional feeding"?

Yima·Feb 24, 2020·1 votes·4,775 views

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I played a normal game as master yi vs a kha'zix (he was a diamond player). I lost my red buff because the adc stole it, then im trying to get to lvl 2 but the enemy jungler invaded my blue buff and kills me. Then I was level 1 and the khazix was lvl 3 and stole my buffs, I go back to farm my jungle but he is waiting for me. I don't understand, I fell behind and couldn't even farm my own jungle. Then their midlane kassadin invades into my jungle and kills me too, I fell so far behind.

All of my deaths were due to my jungle getting invaded while im trying to farm, how is trying to farm in my own jungle while getting invaded count as intentional feeding. Just because i have a poor performance score of 0/12/1 doesn't mean i was dying on purpose.

Can anyone help me? How do they not distinguish having a bad game vs intentional feeding. Also my own teammates told everyone to spam report me in the post game lobby. How is telling everyone to report me after a bad performance okay?

31 Comments

I Wanted CandyFeb 24, 20207 votes

Your first death, at 2:17 was under the enemy turret in botlane.

YimaFeb 24, 20201 votes

i was never in turret range, i was trying to get lvl 2 because i couldnt farm my jungle. u see the pyke intentionally grief me and steal my red?

zPOOPzFeb 24, 20206 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us

You should submit a support ticket and ask them to manually review your punishment. Keep in mind that the intentionally feeding ban is an umbrella for a host of other categories that do not necessary just about feeding/dying intentionally. Griefing, trolling, intentionally afk, etc. are also captured under the intentionally feeding umbrella. If say you afk jungle the entire game after that avoiding all team fights or doing anything to push for a win until that surrender vote at 22 minutes, it can be punished under the intentionally feeding umbrella of griefing/trolling/afk. I'm not saying that you did this since I can't watch the replay. Just giving you an example. No one on this board can help you and nothing I see jumped out at me as out of place. Your best bet is to contact support and ask for manual review of your punishment.

Silent GravityFeb 24, 20206 votes

The death at 2:17 under the botlane turret, is suspiciously unmentioned in their narrative.

YimaFeb 24, 20201 votes

Im trying to get lvl 2 because he trolls me and intentionally steals my red buff? how is that not griefing?

Silent GravityFeb 24, 20208 votes

To get level 2 as a solo laner (mid/top), it takes 7 minions.

First wave spawns at 1:05. First wave arrives mid at 1:27. Second wave spawns 1:35. Second wave arrives mid at 1:57.

First wave spawns at 1:05 Second wave spawns at 1:35 First wave arrives top at 1:37 Second wave arrives top at 2:07

Those two only need to kill one minion from the second wave to earn level 2, so it can happen fairly rapidly after the second wave arrives.

Botlane normally needs 9 minions, as they only get 62% of the xp of a solo lane.

You went there to leech xp from the lane. Three champs would each get 41% of the xp of a solo lane.

To get level two, you'd have to sit there for the first two full waves, plus the first three melee minions of the third wave! 15 minions.

The third wave hits the middle of bot lane at 2:37.

Compare that time investment, (and the hit to your botlane's xp,) to walking to blue.

I agree, you going botlane was certainly griefing.

Nightsky PirateFeb 25, 20202 votes

If determining whether or not a player is inting in diamond games requires that much analysis and comparison, I hope I never play diamond. I love my Garen God Skin too much to have a bad game, making a particularly bad move, and be punished for it.

: Basically, I would further respond, but Tolinar says it nicely and should be a response here.

Tolinar (NA): Yi has a finished jungle item, and is clearly building as fast as he can. He has 100+ CS. He is/was playing the game. 90% of the kills were a duo Pyke/Alistar who were picking off people and doing their own thing. Everyone else lost lane.

And by trying too hard to force a scaling champ (yi) back into the game by overaggressing, he fed hard. That's losing. Not inting.

Silent GravityFeb 25, 20201 votes

This is not very much analysis at all.

It can be summed up entirely by: As a jungler, you should go to the jungle.

The rest of the explanation was there to make it blindingly obvious. It's like if a car was stuck in a tree and I explained the different road markings that indicate going that way was a bad idea.

Nightsky PirateFeb 28, 20201 votes

Yeah, he drove into a tree. In a video game. Not a big deal. He showed plenty of signs that he was playing to win, and one big one that he wasn't.

2Charmnot2CharmFeb 24, 20203 votes

How did an adc manage to steal your buff when you have smite?

Yes it sucks blowing smite so soon because the adc doesn't back off, but do you know what is worse?

Not getting the buff camp in the first place, since the second that adc shows in lane the enemy jungler knows to invade your other buff [zombie-brand-facepalm]

YimaFeb 25, 20201 votes

what do you mean how did he steal my buff? Junglers never smite the 1st buff when they get a leash, and he stayed longer to intentionally get the last hit on my red.

PresBushDid711Feb 24, 20204 votes

Oye, bot stole red so you troll them. Your narrative made it sound like your first death was due to an invade in your jungle, don't even mention it was under turret bot lane. Honestly you should have just left the game. I had a game adc took the red buff, jungle left the game and they were never punished. If you had done that you wouldn't be on the verge of losing your account.

YimaFeb 25, 20201 votes

well too late for that now, this account is ruined (with all champs unlocked and tons of skins)

its not worth playing this account anymore due to risk of it being permanently banned.

Silent GravityFeb 25, 20203 votes

That only exists as a risk if you break the rules.

The risk is exactly the same on your other accounts.

YimaFeb 25, 20202 votes

well i wont play this account for the rest of the season at least.

maybe the strike will go away and my honor reset in season 11. ill just sit out league for a year idc

Silent GravityFeb 25, 20204 votes

It takes between three and six months of regular playing with good behavior to drop each tier of punishment. Not playing on an account leaves it at exactly the same location.

Honor reset at the end of a season is for accounts above honor 2. Those below do not gain honor with the reset.

YimaFeb 25, 20201 votes

then ill just play 1 co-op ai game per day and nothing else to get my honor 2 back. im done with this season

Silent GravityFeb 25, 20202 votes

That will work. Good luck.

blackxcurse2Feb 25, 20201 votes

i cant believe u got banned though, first ur red buff gets stolen by ur own teammate and then u get invaded by a diamond jg smurf, ik for a fact if i went against a diamond i would get owned for sure and thats on a lane where i got a turret for protection, u have no protection except for some trinket wards which u only get 2 off, i guess league will only ban honest ppl but trolls who admit to inting prob wont get any punishment, i seen trolls go 0/20 and wont get ban

Tele IIFeb 25, 20204 votes

Shouldnt have lied in your post. That makes us think youre guilty. Why lie?

ANIME B00TYFeb 24, 20203 votes

Having that many deaths is insane weather it's intentional or not it is a normal game so not the end of the world but I would avoid playing ranked until you hone your skills better you need to work on warding so you have vision in enemy and friendly jungle camps if you die repeatedly doing the same thing over and over once again weather it is intentional or not it is feeding and I think it's from the fact that you have a lack of skill so I won't blame you but I would be extremely tilted and annoyed with you if you did this in one of my ranked games and it's laughable that this actually happens 99% of the time even in high elo I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be annoyed I would look up a guide on how to jungle better you need to get vision and learn about jungle match ups and you need to learn how to clear your camps properly I would also focus heavily on dragons this patch they are super strong because of souls you also need to be looking at your map 24/7 as a Jungler looking for picks and ganks for lanes that are struggling or a ahead but you also need to see which lane gets priority anyway good luck hopefully you take my advice because this game needs less feeding weather it's intentional or not and I get why people would perceive 0/12 is intentional feeding but it should actually be called "oblivious feeding" because you aren't even aware of how bad and wrong your playing.

Yasuo

shawnbayalldayFeb 24, 20201 votes

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ANIME B00TYFeb 24, 20202 votes

I agree thankfully you try out champions on blind some people don't but what I'm saying is 12 deaths is horrendous in any game mode and ultimately translates to you screwing up 12 times in a 22 minute game like I don't know if you understand how hard it is to get 12 deaths in 22 minutes without it not being unintentional once again I think you where just oblivious to what was going on and maybe angry with your poor performance but I mean I can't even remember the last time I had 12 deaths in a game unless it was like a 40-50 min game and I had like 20-30 kills with that many deaths I'm not trying to compare or make you feel bad but like getting that many deaths in my opinion is almost impossible as getting like 40 kills in a ranked game without the other team completely running it down also to be fair Master Yi might be one of the easiest champions to play in this game you legit hit Q and E when you go into a fight W to heal and sustain and R when you need it so I don't know how you could struggle with a champion that legit is one of the easiest entry level junglers in league I don't think you should be banned or punished as long as your telling the truth and you didn't intentionally feed so if I were you I would submit a support ticket.

KFCeytronFeb 25, 20203 votes

It blows my mind that one death under the enemy turret triggers an inting ban but 26 deaths in 18 minutes while announcing intent and spamming ZT phrases in caps gets no punishment.

LanceTheJunglerFeb 24, 20202 votes

GOOD. Going 0/12/1 is not okay. Though I don't know why you would get banned for inting in a normal game.

TolinarFeb 24, 20207 votes

I don't agree at all. Banning a player for playing badly is inexcusable.

Yi has a finished jungle item, and is clearly building as fast as he can. He has 100+ CS.

He is/was playing the game.

90% of the kills were a duo Pyke/Alistar who were picking off people and doing their own thing. Everyone else lost lane.

And by trying too hard to force a scaling champ (yi) back into the game by overaggressing, he fed hard. That's losing. Not inting.

YimaFeb 24, 20202 votes

kayle also had a bad game, but i took all the blame. i dont get it, it was just a bad game

FeedKaylePleaseFeb 25, 20201 votes

If this were a ranked game, I'd report the fuck out of you for inting. But it's a normal game so it doesn't matter. Norms is for that kinda shit.

blackxcurse2Feb 25, 20202 votes

whether its rank or normal, he had to go against a diamond smurf jg, more likely he's prob bronze/silver/gold, u know from the start he doesn't have much of a chance esepecially since his own teammate stole his red, every time i notice a diamond smurf, they end up crushing there opponent and i don't see the feeder ban so idk y would he get banned esepecially he has no turret for protection except for 2 trinket wards and maybe 1 control ward, jg is a big place to ward everywhere

Silent GravityFeb 25, 20204 votes

Yima is Plat 4.

The opposing jg is Plat 3, level 224, active since season 4. Not a smurf.

GoldsmithSmartyFeb 28, 20201 votes

Sometimes I Carry like a God and sometimes I feed like son of a bitch. I had scores like 0/30 or something. I have never even heard of an “int” ban. I play in silver. I guess no one really reports me for feeding.

Open support ticket, they would lift the ban if the situation is as simple as you describe it. Good luck chap.