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Looking to be smited - 14 day ban for this?

CIg PobeIter··4 votes·574 views

I get it, I wasn't the best teammate. But I can't understand how this was remotely bad enough to warrant a ban. I've personally reported WAY worse people with no consequence (assuming that instant feedback is actually working anyway).

These were the chat logs presented to me. Unedited because I legitimately feel I have nothing to hide.

In both games people were flaming the shit out of me. Sure, I didn't smile and wave as they took turns verbally beating me into the ground, but I do not feel that I was so excessively toxic that I should be banned (especially considering that the other players didn't even get the slightest punishment). Seems extremely disproportionate to me and I'm open to getting smited.

Game 1 CIg PobeIter: i am voli CIg PobeIter: we can invade CIg PobeIter: go other way CIg PobeIter: wait CIg PobeIter: go as 5 CIg PobeIter: worth CIg PobeIter: thats fine CIg PobeIter: its fine CIg PobeIter: we got cait flash CIg PobeIter: and cait cant base CIg PobeIter: for lane CIg PobeIter: cait no tim eto base for lane CIg PobeIter: no nimbus? CIg PobeIter: unfortunate CIg PobeIter: gank top when u come back wukong CIg PobeIter: i have pink CIg PobeIter: k then just go bot CIg PobeIter: he will have cleared pink by then CIg PobeIter: i cant really keep him off it cuz of his kiting CIg PobeIter: kong if u can, go for bot CIg PobeIter: get the tower CIg PobeIter: so bot can rotate up CIg PobeIter: why are u solo farming bot leona CIg PobeIter: its a cloud drake CIg PobeIter: yea CIg PobeIter: why do u have such priority CIg PobeIter: on cloud CIg PobeIter: thats because i've been split pushing CIg PobeIter: i solokilled my lane counter CIg PobeIter: twice CIg PobeIter: and got 2 towers CIg PobeIter: solo CIg PobeIter: yep CIg PobeIter: not my problem CIg PobeIter: we were equally grouped as them CIg PobeIter: and? CIg PobeIter: grouping had nothing to do with anything CIg PobeIter: we were grouped already CIg PobeIter: 4 were mid to start and i came mid before gnar did CIg PobeIter: we CIg PobeIter: were CIg PobeIter: grouped CIg PobeIter: so dont push out side lanes? CIg PobeIter: got it CIg PobeIter: refusing to push out side lanes now CIg PobeIter: ? CIg PobeIter: its my first death kid CIg PobeIter: and only because i listend to this mf CIg PobeIter: and "grouped" CIg PobeIter: if u cant see that their teamfight comp is like 3x as good as ours CIg PobeIter: u shouldnt be playing this game CIg PobeIter: ornn CIg PobeIter: fed fizz CIg PobeIter: caitjanna CIg PobeIter: you guys are seeing this leona right CIg PobeIter: it's not just me that's hallucinating? CIg PobeIter: really now CIg PobeIter: 13/3 mf is weaker than leo CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: u guys have no honor lmfao CIg PobeIter: u clearly saw an example of griefing and refuse to acknowledge it...for what CIg PobeIter: stall CIg PobeIter: im taking CIg PobeIter: just stall CIg PobeIter: its going down CIg PobeIter: for what CIg PobeIter: im taking fking inhib CIg PobeIter: i told u to just stall CIg PobeIter: u hard engaged CIg PobeIter: then blame me for griefing? CIg PobeIter: i got 2 towers including inhib tower CIg PobeIter: u suicided by engaging CIg PobeIter: yea CIg PobeIter: because u suicided in CIg PobeIter: and they only played up because they knew iw asnt there CIg PobeIter: ever consider that they wouldnt have let u engage that easily CIg PobeIter: if i was there? CIg PobeIter: they're not idiots CIg PobeIter: they saw i wasnt there, they played up CIg PobeIter: u saw i wasnt there CIg PobeIter: u also played up CIg PobeIter: u got baited and outsmarted CIg PobeIter: xerath CIg PobeIter: u fed fizz CIg PobeIter: leona literally split pushed solo CIg PobeIter: as support CIg PobeIter: but ofc CIg PobeIter: its my fault CIg PobeIter: support leona split push CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: xerath feeds fizz CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: yea CIg PobeIter: no he wasnt lmfao CIg PobeIter: if i didnt throw him CIg PobeIter: he would hav elived CIg PobeIter: sure CIg PobeIter: i will CIg PobeIter: right now Game 2 CIg PobeIter: wukong 10% hp CIg PobeIter: hes basing CIg PobeIter: gnar f CIg PobeIter: ?? CIg PobeIter: who is pinging CIg PobeIter: who was spamming CIg PobeIter: please CIg PobeIter: they gonna tower fb CIg PobeIter: right now CIg PobeIter: why CIg PobeIter: does no1 give a sht CIg PobeIter: about top lane CIg PobeIter: gnar lived by 11 hp. if anyone came to auto he would have died CIg PobeIter: are we a team or what CIg PobeIter: aight i cant deal with this sorry guys not trying to troll CIg PobeIter: gonna permaroam and gank now CIg PobeIter: too late udyr CIg PobeIter: im not dealing with this any more CIg PobeIter: ? CIg PobeIter: then dont go in CIg PobeIter: i was already out CIg PobeIter: came in to save u CIg PobeIter: i cant hold sht lmfao CIg PobeIter: i roamed mid CIg PobeIter: i countered their jg CIg PobeIter: and while i did that CIg PobeIter: gnar fked me CIg PobeIter: over and over CIg PobeIter: i cant hold sht any more CIg PobeIter: ?????????? CIg PobeIter: ????????????????????????????????????? CIg PobeIter: what did i do CIg PobeIter: how exactly am i trolling CIg PobeIter: is that my fault as well? CIg PobeIter: lmfao im worthless? bro i was 15 cs up on first back CIg PobeIter: and i killed wukong mid CIg PobeIter: but gnar eventually bullies all melees CIg PobeIter: and no1 ever helped CIg PobeIter: dont call me worthless chump CIg PobeIter: really CIg PobeIter: tell me 1 melee CIg PobeIter: that gnar cant bully CIg PobeIter: lmao CIg PobeIter: he outscales both however CIg PobeIter: esp panth CIg PobeIter: ur telling me CIg PobeIter: panth scales better CIg PobeIter: than fking gnar? CIg PobeIter: muted CIg PobeIter: ? CIg PobeIter: i wasnt even far up? CIg PobeIter: i was here CIg PobeIter: i threw flag CIg PobeIter: they 5 manned me CIg PobeIter: no1 else wanted to get fking vision CIg PobeIter: even now

17 Comments

Friendly Ram5 votes

I'd love to see a smite on this. From what i've gathered you were trying to keep a team afloat and had some difficulty?

CIg PobeIter1 votes

Game 1 definitely, I was 5/0 at one point - coming out of a Voli (me) vs Gnar matchup (neither junglers did anything top it was pretty much an island). Soloed 4 towers including an inhib tower by split pushing, did try to group but janna gnar cait does nasty things to bears. Even without the Gnar their ornn ulti was destroying our immobile backline of Xerath MF - I joined more fights than gnar, and roamed earlier than gnar, but it just didn't work out.

I wasn't doing so hot in game 2. Started out well but eventually gnar couldn't be bursted by J4 combo any more and I could no longer stay in lane. Didn't do so well that game, can't fault the team for being mad at me, but was not prepared for the quantity of flame.

OnlyYouCanHearMe4 votes

Have you had a previous chat restriction? There's a fair bit of toxicity in these logs, enough that it would warrant a punishment, but what the punishment is would depend entirely on which level of punishment you were already at.

From the Instant Feedback System FAQs:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

So, if you had recently had a 25 game chat restriction, then this would naturally progress up to a 14 day suspension. If you haven't had a recent chat restriction, and these are the full, unedited logs, then you might want to send in a ticket to Player Support and ask them why you account was escalated.

Is this toxic? Yes. Is it the worst I've seen? Not by a long shot. Do I think it deserves an instant 14 day suspension? Nope. But, if you were already at the second offense, these logs would push you to the third.

CIg PobeIter1 votes

Oh that explains it. I did get the 25 game chat restriction but it was months ago so I thought it would have worn off (especially since I do get honored a lot and say a lot of encouraging things in games when people don't flame me - which I would have thought falls in the category of showing reform).

And yea while I do agree that there was definitely quite a bit of negativity here, a lot of the things I said don't make sense without the proper context. For example "CIg PobeIter: its my first death kid" was because I was being flamed by split push support leona for dying - which caused me to go from 5/0 to 5/1. Or "CIg PobeIter: so dont push out side lanes? CIg PobeIter: got it CIg PobeIter: refusing to push out side lanes now"

was because I was being spammed to group while stacked side lanes were about to crash - and of course, it's not like I didn't group, in fact we had literally just teamfought as 5 and I was coming out of base.

I guess I'm asking to be smited because, like you said, this is not the worst by a long shot, yet I'm getting banned while the other flamers on my team don't get so much as a tickle (assuming instant report feedback actually works of course). That doesn't really inspire a sense of fairness in me and it's hard to respect a system like this. Sure, I'll avoid flaming in the future, but it would purely be out of fear rather than an expectation of justice, and I guess I'm here because I'm hoping that this isn't the way Riot does things.

ModPeriscope1 votes

As you can tell, they do punish flamers/those harassing others with chat. They may not receive bans, or even punishments as other players' histories and what they did in game are correlated with their punishments. This coulda been the first time they harassed you, or it could have been their last.

You didn't get punished from your first game in these chat logs, and I'm sure others felt the same when they didn't receive the IFS message after that game.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Well, there's a couple things to clarify, that might help this make a bit more sense. As to the Instant Feedback System notifications of when someone has been punished... only the last person to submit a report actually gets that pop-up. So, let's say you were reported by the Udyr in your second match. (I think it looks like you had an Udyr jungler, not certain though.) If he's the last person to report you and that is what triggers your punishment, he will be the only person who sees the popup. Even if that Leona from the prior match reported you as well, she would not see the popup, because her report didn't trigger it.

I don't think Riot has ever said exactly why only the last person to submit a report receives the popup; I've always assumed it was to limit the amount of traffic on the servers, since some players can end up with hundreds of reports. But, the important thing is to look at it from the converse side. You know that the system works. You've been penalized by it personally. So you know, that even if the people who reported you didn't get that popup, that a punishment was issued. And having experience with chat restrictions, you also know that there's no way to tell by just looking at a player's match history whether they were given a chat restriction. You may have been really angry at that Leona, or at that Xerath, and wanted to report them. And other people on your team might have too. So, it's possible that one of the others got the popup. It's also possible that their accounts were't quite at the level of punishment yet. You saw how it took two games worth of reports for your account to be brought up to punishment? It may take another game or so before they reach that point. They may ordinarily be great teammates who were having a really bad game, and it was super out of character for them, so it may take a couple more games. But when you report them, provided they have done what you are reporting them for (and you're not just making things up to be a jerk, like some little nitwits do) those reports will sit on their account, and one day, they will have to face them. I can't tell you how long it will take. It's different for everyone, because it depends on how much they play, and how assy they are on a regular basis. But the ones who are more toxic, more often, are going to end up making more forum posts, and more new accounts when they lose their old ones.

I'll go ahead and go through your logs and see if I can find anything in them that really justifies this. How long ago was that 25 game restriction? If it was only 6-8 weeks ago, then you were probably still in the "danger" zone after it, when you needed to be extra careful.

CIg PobeIter: you guys are seeing this leona right CIg PobeIter: it's not just me that's hallucinating?

Taking this from this top, this is where you begin to point out the flaw in what the Leona is doing, as far as strategically. Her being a split pusher is hurting your team, because she's a tanky, engage support. It might have been a bit better to try saying "Leo, can you group up with MF? She needs those sick ults and perfect e-q combos to melt them with her ult" It serves the same purpose... it points out that she's somewhere that isn't helping the team, and has the goal of getting her back to the group. But it's not mocking.

CIg PobeIter: really now CIg PobeIter: 13/3 mf is weaker than leo CIg PobeIter: u guys have no honor lmfao CIg PobeIter: u clearly saw an example of griefing and refuse to acknowledge it...for what

I'm not really sure why you are saying they have no honor; I'll allow you to explain that one. But pointing out how weak your adc is, and then fussing with the team because they didn't do what you wanted them to DO about the griefing Leona, isn't going to help. Yeah, they saw what she was doing. Everyone saw. But they also know that you can't just force her to play in one place, so while her actions hurt the team, and are griefing, it's something for you to report her over, not something to rage at them over.

CIg PobeIter: stall CIg PobeIter: im taking CIg PobeIter: just stall CIg PobeIter: its going down CIg PobeIter: for what CIg PobeIter: im taking fking inhib CIg PobeIter: i told u to just stall CIg PobeIter: u hard engaged CIg PobeIter: then blame me for griefing? CIg PobeIter: i got 2 towers including inhib tower CIg PobeIter: u suicided by engaging CIg PobeIter: yea CIg PobeIter: because u suicided in CIg PobeIter: and they only played up because they knew iw asnt there CIg PobeIter: ever consider that they wouldnt have let u engage that easily CIg PobeIter: if i was there? CIg PobeIter: they're not idiots CIg PobeIter: they saw i wasnt there, they played up CIg PobeIter: u saw i wasnt there CIg PobeIter: u also played up CIg PobeIter: u got baited and outsmarted CIg PobeIter: xerath CIg PobeIter: u fed fizz CIg PobeIter: leona literally split pushed solo CIg PobeIter: as support CIg PobeIter: but ofc CIg PobeIter: its my fault CIg PobeIter: support leona split push CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: xerath feeds fizz CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: yea CIg PobeIter: no he wasnt lmfao CIg PobeIter: if i didnt throw him CIg PobeIter: he would hav elived CIg PobeIter: sure CIg PobeIter: i will CIg PobeIter: right now

This whole fiasco looks like they don't know how to stall, and stop the ports. It looks like you were doing quite well strategically, taking two turrets and the inhibitor tower. If only your team could stop and listen. But it's hard to listen. Especially after a match where you've had to listen to a guy who's done a lot of complaining about the support, about the mid laner, etc.

One thing to remember, as this is the last punishment stage, your account is on very, very thin ice. You cannot have any further infractions. Their is still time to save your account. You've done well so far, you should be fine. Just stay on this path, come to us if any questions, we will do everything we can to help you. Just keep that level head. And remember: no amount of trashtalking is worth your account. Because if you get caught, it's you who will suffer. And we don't want that. You don't want that.

CIg PobeIter1 votes

I don't think Riot has ever said exactly why only the last person to submit a report receives the popup;

Actually I know for certainty that this is NOT the case. The reason I know this is because one game I had such a terrible flamer in my game that me and another player stayed back after the game to vent. We chatted for like 10 minutes in the post game lobby and actually got the notification pop-up that punishment has been given during the lobby itself. It was the only person either of us had reported that day so we knew we were getting the pop-up for the same guy. So from experience I can say that multiple people can and do get the notification.

Taking this from this top, this is where you begin to point out the flaw in what the Leona is doing, as far as strategically. Her being a split pusher is hurting your team, because she's a tanky, engage support. It might have been a bit better to try saying "Leo, can you group up with MF? She needs those sick ults and perfect e-q combos to melt them with her ult" It serves the same purpose... it points out that she's somewhere that isn't helping the team, and has the goal of getting her back to the group. But it's not mocking.

Is there any point in that though? I'm Gold 3. People at my elo (including myself) are still bad, but they're not so atrociously terrible that they actually think split push support leona is viable. This is also NOT the first time it happened. Furthermore, he was actually dueling the enemy fed fizz (unsuccessfully of course). The fact that the leona split push occured multiple times indicates that it's a clear deliberate act of griefing. What exactly is the point of trying to actually talk to him?

I'm not really sure why you are saying they have no honor; I'll allow you to explain that one. But pointing out how weak your adc is, and then fussing with the team because they didn't do what you wanted them to DO about the griefing Leona, isn't going to help

This is why I say a lot of the stuff I said makes 0 sense without context.

I said the "you guys are seeing this right" in all chat. The enemy responded by basically saying that leona split push is good, as the leona is the strongest person on our team. At this point in time, MF was 13/3. I was pointing out how absurd it is for them to call the leona the strongest person when we had a massive MF (I myself was also fairly big at this time). I was saying that the enemy team had no honor because they're seeing a clear act of griefing and are going about justifying it under false premises. I was not at all implying that anyone on my team was weak, and this would have been apparent with context.

This whole fiasco looks like they don't know how to stall, and stop the ports. It looks like you were doing quite well strategically, taking two turrets and the inhibitor tower. If only your team could stop and listen. But it's hard to listen. Especially after a match where you've had to listen to a guy who's done a lot of complaining about the support, about the mid laner, etc.

That's not an issue. I honestly do not care about losing a few games. Why I talked so much here was because the entire team actively hard engaged 4v5 while I was destroying their base, and then flamed the shit out of me. I was only responding to heaps of doo-doo being unjustly piled on my head. That's what compelled me to post here. Other than the really early part asking why leona was prioritizing cloud drake (he used this as justification to split push bot lane while our team fought as a group), every other thing I said was either defending myself, or reacting to griefing. For example, the Xerath fed the enemy Fizz but I never called him out for it until the very last moments of the game when he joined the flaming.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

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Actually I know for certainty that this is NOT the case. The reason I know this is because one game I had such a terrible flamer in my game that me and another player stayed back after the game to vent. We chatted for like 10 minutes in the post game lobby and actually got the notification pop-up that punishment has been given during the lobby itself. It was the only person either of us had reported that day so we knew we were getting the pop-up for the same guy. So from experience I can say that multiple people can and do get the notification.

Hmmm. That's very unusual. Riot has confirmed before that only one person is supposed to be getting the popup. Perhaps the two of you happened to submit your reports at the exact same moment?

Is there any point in that though? I'm Gold 3. People at my elo (including myself) are still bad, but they're not so atrociously terrible that they actually think split push support leona is viable. This is also NOT the first time it happened. Furthermore, he was actually dueling the enemy fed fizz (unsuccessfully of course). The fact that the leona split push occured multiple times indicates that it's a clear deliberate act of griefing. What exactly is the point of trying to actually talk to him?

Well, the only point to saying something like that is to open up a line of communication that isn't branching into toxicity. You know the saying, "You catch more flies with honey?" Sometimes, you can manage to bring a toxic person back into the group if you can mollify them. I'm not saying to kiss up forever, but a little bit of Sky Williams' DST now and then never hurt anybody. And it can help you win games.

This is why I say a lot of the stuff I said makes 0 sense without context.

Fair enough, that does make more sense now.

Hellmaximus12 votes

My god, what did you do wrong? Even if he was chat restricted before, he didn't do anything I'd consider toxic, tried to keep his team from full tilting. I think what got you banned was previous 25 chat restriction + saying "worthless" "suicided" "i cant hold sht lmfao" "fking" Also i'm pretty sure riot auto system hits people who chat excessively as well.

But I don't think you will get unban since even the guy who got banned for saying "dude all game you called me a F**** " "report X on my team, he called me a F*****" was still banned even after posting on forums.

than there was someone who told another player to kys on aram for an execute revive and riot instantly banned him even after he clarified in teamchat, I mean sure they did UN-Ban him and then told him to never do it again like it was his fault for using a legit strategy, just goes to show riot is triple-downing on this automatic system response system that a lot of player don't like.

Sure I get the need for auto ban system, but for words deemed heinous by the community and ONLY those words. So far the system seems to get a lot of false positives on things the community deems fair or appropriate.

Emerald Fang1 votes

You don’t deserve a ban at all; I’ll admit I’ve done worse, much worse without a ban (back in S6 when I was super toxic).

I guess the Riot employee was just having a bad day when he looked at the logs... Because you never directly insulted anyone, you never called anyone a name, you never gave death threats. And as far as I know cursing is fine as long as it isn’t directed towards another player as an insult.

Emerald Fang1 votes

Now that I see you had the chat restriction that explains it - you have to be incredibly not toxic after 2 penalties and any player reports probably got pushed to the top of importance.

Tactrix2 votes

There is no riot employee, they don't look at logs anymore, they employed autoban bots this season, they just ban everyone who gets enough reports. Even if you don't speak at all in a game if 4 people report you, you will get a strike against you.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Send in a ticket, this seems wrong

SeductiveCelery1 votes

doesnt constitute ban imo

Alkis91 votes

Yeah this ban is not exacly justified. I've seen and done WAY worse shit than this. Even when i started playing (in S4) and a couple more years i was really toxic. I never got a single chat ban. The only ban i ever got was because of the old leavebuster.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

if you use chat regularly you Will end up banned

Cosnirak1 votes

Just doing game 1 to save myself time.

CIg PobeIter: its my first death kid

Don't call people you don't know "kid." Ever.

CIg PobeIter: if u cant see that their teamfight comp is like 3x as good as ours CIg PobeIter: u shouldnt be playing this game

Don't tell people they're too dumb to play the game.

CIg PobeIter: you guys are seeing this leona right CIg PobeIter: it's not just me that's hallucinating?

You're implying what Leona is doing is so horrendous you can't believe it. That's insulting. You're also implying your other teammates are bad for not taking issue with it as well.

CIg PobeIter: really now CIg PobeIter: 13/3 mf is weaker than leo CIg PobeIter: ok CIg PobeIter: u guys have no honor lmfao

Again you're insulting a teammate's intelligence and then insulting their honor simply because you disagree with their tactics.

CIg PobeIter: leona literally split pushed solo CIg PobeIter: as support CIg PobeIter: but ofc CIg PobeIter: its my fault

At this point you're harassing about the issue, even if you're correct that it isn't your fault. Personally I think it's fine to defend yourself from their accusations if you aren't otherwise breaking the rules, but here you're clearly harassing which breaks the rules. Riot seems to think people are in the wrong merely for defending themselves because that's "arguing with your teammates" and "chatting a lot instead of playing the game" which I think is bullshit but I still think you crossed the line here regardless.

Also just FYI Leona support solo pushing a lane isn't necessarily wrong. While I personally doubt the situation comes up often and thus I doubt it was correct here, I believe there are times where such a thing makes sense. She has 2 aoe basic abilities and come mid game if she has tier-2 boots (especially mobis) and a bunch of factors come together it makes sense for her to go turn a wave pushing towards your base into one pushing towards the enemy base before grouping up again. But if she's straight up clearing the whole wave, trying to last hit well, and then staying to push a high hp tower... yeah that's probably just incorrect. But poor play is not an excuse to harass or flame people.

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