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Perma banning is 100% useless

Akagi Shigeru··3 votes·880 views

I've been playing league since like season 3-4 and last year i got my account perma banned. i was toxic and it happend. the point i have is since my first ban i stopped caring. it took me 3-4 season to get banned cause i, to a degree, tried to censor myself. all perma banning my account did was make me stop trying. since my first ban I've had multiple account banned for various reason. now you can say i'm an anomaly but the fact is i am not. a lot of players who have been perma banned end up getting other accounts and become more toxic because they have already lost there account, so what does it matter. by taking there account away you are essentially making it easier for them to decide to be toxic. there has to be a better solution. cause perma banning isn't working. league is still extremely toxic at most levels. simple fact is you only have a few actual fixes not just patches

  1. ip ban. If you are truly trying to get rid of toxic player completely, you can't just get rid of the account. it is a free to play game and takes mere seconds to make another account or they can buy one at any of the 100's of websites that sell them. so you aren't stopping them just slowing them down. ip ban is the only way to actually stop them.

  2. something similar to what blizzard does. you can make the suspensions longer like first offense 2 days then 4 then 8 and so on. in which case they still have the account to come back to so they are less likely to abandon it and just go troll on another account . especially if its an account they have invested money in. cause eventually you will have a year ban but you can get it back so there is some incentive cause if you go a year without your main and get it back finally with all your stuff you'd be much less likely to be toxic on that account at least in my experience.

  3. make it like low priority queue. except every time it is deemed you have done something ban worth, the queue increased by 20 minutes and by 5-10+ games. there will come a point where you have to leave queue open for 24+ hours just to play 1 game. you'd get 1 game a day and eventually will learn to shut up or be in queue for a week to play 1 game.

i have yet to truly learn a lesson from my ban. thousands of players are doing the same things i am. the simple fact is that proves your current system isn't working. make the game healthier. that's the point right? if so, you need to change your process this isn't working, it really isn't

33 Comments

zPOOPz8 votes

ip ban is the only way to actually stop them

False, it's the WORST way to stop them because it doesn't actually stop them while causing numerous collateral damages

something similar to what blizzard does. you can make the suspensions longer like first offense 2 days then 4 then 8 and so on. in which case they still have the account to come back to so they are less likely to abandon it and just go troll on another account

Base on Rito's historical experiments with perma chat restriction and higher numbers of punishments before perma (more than the 4 we have now), it doesn't panned well.

make it like low priority queue

Rito already axed prisoner's island and its variations system

Chermorg6 votes

So, there are some misconceptions in your post. The first one is that you think that players who are permanently banned come back in large numbers. In fact, Riot has statistics and have stated that many permanently banned players never come back to League - and those who do are no longer toxic.

IP bans do not work in todays world where at a push of a button you can get 10 new IPs per minute, indefinitely, forever.

There does not need to be more bans as Riot’s statistics show that players who are permanently banned would never have reformed anyway (save for a very small percentage). Allowing players to ruin more games before they get a permanent ban will not do anything to solve toxicity.

Your refusal to learn a lesson does not mean that others are doing the same.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

i'm sorry but someone is wrong. the fact that you can go to twitter reddit and low level games and find thousands of players who are playing and are still extremely toxic it makes me believe riots numbers are fudged

Chermorg3 votes

Do you have proof of these “thousands of players who are playing” still? You are making a claim with absolutely no evidence.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

i'm making the claim off the evidence your game provides. go make a low level account and level it up and every game ask who's a smurf and when people say they are ask them if there main is banned. 75% of them at least will say yes. not only that go check twitter i personally see at least 15 people banned a day talking about going to another account. its not uncommon

zPOOPz1 votes

how many games you have played as low level account and how many people in twitter say this (let's ignore the facts that a lot of people who says they are smurfs are not actually smurfs and people who says they make new accounts to troll may not actually do it.... it's very easy to type), League has millions of players. 15 people or however many games you played as low level are a drop in a bucket.

Chermorg4 votes

As someone else said, you will be placed with smurfs if you make a new account. That is the very definition of matchmaking system.

Further, I find it quite surprising you have enough friends on twitter to see 15 people banned per day. The average number of follows, combined with the chance they play league at all, makes it virtually impossible this “statistic” is correct. Please stop pulling things from “experience” and actually use valid statistics with legitimate numbers.

Keep in mind that I can go to twitter right now and claim I am coming back on another account, but it does not mean I actually will. Many people threaten to come back on a new account, but then realize that they won’t have skins/progress, and they leave again.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

its not about who i follow most of them post pictures of the player banned screen and tweet them at things like @twitchsharer. even if my numbers aren't 100% accurate they are still telling. half of the players who buy accounts from these websites are perma banned other half being people who want a clean account. yes my numbers might not be accurate but they are close and i'm going off number i have personally seen. you are going off number from a company who's best interest are making the game seem extremely healthy. in both cases, its in the person telling the numbers best interest to make the numbers seem more beneficial. the fact that the game is still considered by most players in other communities to be among the most toxic, shows that either 1 of 2 cases are possible. either when a player is banned a new player pops up to takes there place of toxicity or much of the toxicity you thought was fix by bans is in fact not. players like tyler1 bread players like tyler1 meaning they show its ok to get banned then just make another account. you can't think tyler1 is an anomaly can you? he shows that people come back if you've been around twitch you know that views emulate there favorite streamers

Chermorg2 votes

And do you realize that these account selling websites don’t actually sell as many accounts as they claim? Further, much of the time, those accounts they’re selling are already banned.

The solution to toxicity is not to allow players to stay in the game who are being toxic. For players (such as yourself) who refuse to reform after multiple warnings, the only solution is to remove them from the game - and if they come back, continue removing them. There is no reliable and viable way to forcefully remove players from the game - or Riot would certainly do so.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

but once you ban them you aren't being effective. honestly i've cost more lp loss since my ban than all the seasons before my ban combined.

zPOOPz3 votes

one person does not extrapolate to millions of player base

Freevageeter1 votes

In fact, Riot has statistics and have stated that many permanently banned players never come back to League - and those who do are no longer toxic.

Just because they stated something doesn't mean it's true. Riot's been known to lie a lot, they could just be saying this so they don't look like a shit company.

Chermorg2 votes

Would you care to provide any proof for Riot Tantram lying about their behavioral statistics? When Tantram came on as the Senior Engineer WhateverHisTitleIs for Behavior Systems (or whatever), he cleared up a lot of the “lies” that Lyte and others had spread - but most of them weren’t really lies just misconceptions or misinterpretations anyway.

Given that Tantram has said this, the burden is now on the person making the claim Tantram is lying for no reason to prove he is lying.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

the fact is we only have our personal experience lyte lied a lot. why is it that tantram isn't. just cause he cleared up someone else's lies does not mean he isnt providing his own in its place. the fact is we are going off a persons word saying this is fact with no transparent evidence. it's not like these records are made public nor are they performed by an independent company so why wouldn't they lie to make it better? while we see this as a game and e-sports its a company and companies widely lie to make there stock/product look better

PresBushDid7111 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akagi Shigeru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgAfY4n9,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2018-03-28T20:29:48.776+0000)

the fact is we only have our personal experience lyte lied a lot. why is it that tantram isn't. just cause he cleared up someone else's lies does not mean he isnt providing his own in its place. the fact is we are going off a persons word saying this is fact with no transparent evidence. it's not like these records are made public nor are they performed by an independent company so why wouldn't they lie to make it better? while we see this as a game and e-sports its a company and companies widely lie to make there stock/product look better

For the sake or argument let's say he is lying. Your solutions still don't work. IP bans would mean if one person in a college dorm got banned the entire dorm would be banned.

The longer queue, why wouldn't someone just make a new account if they got to a certain point? It is highly more probable someone will make a new account than leave their client open for 20 hours plus, hoping they are around when it finally pops. People could easily just disable their enter key if they get a 14 day ban, and yet we don't see much of that.

Lastly, prisoners island... would you even have enough people in certain queues? If not, would people be willing to wait for those times.... or just make a new account?

Freevageeter1 votes

Would you care to provide any proof for Riot Tantram lying about their behavioral statistics

Can you prove that they were telling the truth?

AeroWaffle3 votes

Not everyone is going to value their time so little that they keep coming back to a game that has their progress reset again and again.

Would you keep coming back to a game that constantly deletes your save files?

Most people choose to move to a different game.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

define most. cause so far I've leveled multiple accounts and in most games 5-7 of the players are leveling an account cause they are banned and they opening state it.

AeroWaffle1 votes

As a smurf, you are running into fellow smurfs.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

agreed but when it happens every game and many of which are different players it shows that i'm not in the minority

AeroWaffle1 votes

How would you know that? If a player leaves you're not going to see them in your games anymore. They left.

PresBushDid7112 votes

Anicdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence.

ModPeriscope2 votes

It might not be perfect, but I don't see a reason to stop permabans solely because you don't think they work.it'd be great if we could permanently exile players from the game, but it's just not feasible. Feel free to make a new account, but if you're not gonna reform, don't complain about the free stuff you're not getting.

Rayjay Redfang1 votes

It does waste peoples time if they have to grind up accounts again and also money, but I do think that more ban times or other punishments between the final perma were a thing.

I wish they had more verification for account creation so that a permanent is more than just creating a new account and not learning anything .

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

yes it costs time but as far as money you can get a level 30 account for less than it cost so sub to a twitch streamer

PresBushDid7111 votes

Likewise, you day that you came back more toxic. However, you were already banned from the game, which is the highest level. Therefore, you didn't get more toxic, you just continued on to another account.

Akagi Shigeru1 votes

yes im much more toxic now but not only that now since i don't care about the account i started int feeding which takes 100's of games to get banned for if you don't do it every single game. so i mean at the end of the day all the permaban is tell the player. it doesn't matter what you do the worst thing that can happen is you get to keep being toxic on another account

PresBushDid7111 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akagi Shigeru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgAfY4n9,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-03-28T19:51:32.900+0000)

yes im much more toxic now but not only that now since i don't care about the account i started int feeding which takes 100's of games to get banned for if you don't do it every single game. so i mean at the end of the day all the permaban is tell the player. it doesn't matter what you do the worst thing that can happen is you get to keep being toxic on another account

You can't be "much more" or even more toxic than bannable toxic, which already happened on your old account. The only difference is that your punishment level starts new, it doesn't say anything about your behavior. Like I said, you have just carried over from your last account what you were already. Also, have you thought that perhaps your view of things might be a bit skewed? It would be like going to the mall and smashing stuff and then saying thousands of people are smashing stuff because you see it all the time. You create a toxic environment, then seemed amazed at the toxicity around you.

Akagi Shigeru2 votes

ok firstly i am not creating the toxic environment. league does that for me. it was known to me as the most toxic game before i played it. its more like going to the mall, seeing thousands of players smashing stuff then following there example.

PresBushDid7113 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akagi Shigeru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgAfY4n9,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-28T20:32:19.089+0000)

ok firstly i am not creating the toxic environment. league does that for me. it was known to me as the most toxic game before i played it. its more like going to the mall, seeing thousands of players smashing stuff then following there example.

Yet millions upon millions play it with no problem.

Pandeonor1 votes

Permaban forces the banned who wishes to play further on to open more accounts. Costs time, effort and as he will be banned later ont here too - so no money, no skins, no friends, no solid progress in game.

So overall: a permaban is more effort, less fun.

Even if not one single person would mind a ban it is a punishment and therefore "works". But can easily be proven wrong that all players wich were toxic are irreformable returning toxic players.

SnyperWulff1 votes

So let me felt this straight, you got banned, and now out of petty child like behavior, you've decided to ruin the game for other people?

It's a shame Riot can't find a way to prevent you from making a new account, people like you are the problem. Grow up and stop being petty.

Jobriq1 votes

This whole post sounds like OP just wants to be banned again

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