I think that Riot should bring back the Honourable Opponent honour again, since I meet so many nice people in matchmaking in the enemy teams I think that it would be a good idea to atleast make the same think as with team honour that you should be able to choose the most honourable player from the enemy team too. [zombie-brand-clap]
Partybringer24 votesJust had a game where i was 
against a 
. Both teams were talking about how fast we were so we raced. I walked up to the enemy 3'rd bot turret and they let us.
(Jhin won but i hadn't built 
yet)
AleksaTeemo9 votesWas that jhin doing this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrP0H-n0x3Q
Partybringer4 votesyes he was
Kei14310 votesthey will.
They said it in the Honors Launch Q&A.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesI can't wait for it! It was one of my favorite parts of some games. And honestly, when I have a crappy team (as in personality, not skill) I would rather honor an opponent than my toxic buds.
Elikain1 votesThat's the reason why we should not have "Honorable Opponent" category in the first place. If you would be using this honor category as a "my team was shit so i better vote for the enemy team", this is clearly not the intended use of it.
"Honorable Opponent" doesn't translate to any of the categories reserved for teammates. "Tilt-proof, chill" - how would you know that if you weren't a part of their communication? "Leadership, strategy" - how would you know who was the shotcaller on the enemy team? "Team player, friendly" - how would you know if you weren't in the same team as them?
The only way i can see "Honorable Opponent" kinda work would basically be an honor equivalent of "GG WP" in chat. But people always throw this mindlessly and don't really mean it so it also loses its meaning in honors anyway. This would be a team wide honor, not just an honor that recognizes an individual.
And again, if you can't really distinguish its use, there's no point in even having it.
HungryJack6192 votesNobody is saying that they should use the 3 already-existing honors for the enemy team. People are saying they should bring back the honor entitled "Honorable Opponent". It doesn't need to "translate to any of the categories reserved for teammates" because it would be its own category.
Elikain1 votesAnd i already said in multiple of the comments in this thread that "Honorable Opponent" meant nothing in the old Honor system, because it wasn't being used in the predefined context by Riot.
"Humble in Victory, graceful in Defeat" was never what Honorable Opponent was being used for, which was the intended use case anyway.
HungryJack6192 votesAnd that's where your argument breaks down. It seem like your issue is that people simply weren't using the honor properly, but then again NOBODY uses honor 100% properly. 9/10 times that I give honor, I'm giving it to whoever carried me (or to whoever helped me the most if I carried), and I'm just picking one of the three at random.
Short of making it punishable to misuse honor, or removing honor entirely (which is what they did with honorable opponent), you'll never get people to stop misusing honor. And if they're going to do it for honorable opponent, then they might as well do it for the others as well.
And by the way, I commonly see what I consider to be "honorable" behavior by opponents. I've killed players and have them say in all chat "that was a good kill." Or if one of our guys is intentionally feeding, it's the opponent that says "I'm sorry that xyz-champion is feeding, I'm going to report him after." This is in stark contrast to the people who would otherwise respond by flaming, or encouraging the int to keep feeding.
Honorable opponent has a specific use, and it's ridiculous to claim that it shouldn't be brought back just because you don't think people used it properly.
Elikain1 votesHonorable opponent has a specific use, and it's ridiculous to claim that it shouldn't be brought back just because you don't think people used it properly.
Honorable Opponent wasn't being used properly and therefore, Riot removed it from this iteration of Honor. You can argue me on this matter all you want, it's not going to come back until Riot figures out how to implement it properly and fairly for everyone. if it has concise and exact use cases, it should be used in in those cases to convey the meaning it's meant to convey.
The reason why previous honor categories were also redone was because they were vague and people, among not honoring most of the times, didn't even know what are they honoring for. They thought that the last honor on the list carried the most weight, which was ridiculous. "Friendly" was being considered as a "meh" honor and mostly being used for people that didn't want to feel guilty for not honoring their entire team but not feeling like they contributed much to the fights.
If you're just looking for a "pat on the back" button, you can freely express your humbleness in chat to the enemy team, if that's what you're aiming for.
HungryJack6193 votesI just fundamentally disagree. You keep claiming that nobody understood the old honor system, but I thought it was perfectly clear what words like "Friendly" mean. Especially when you're talking about a subjective system that in no way effects actual gameplay.
Also, your claim that people that weighted the honors based on their place in the list seems made up. I have never, since they made the honor system, met anybody who thought that (because it wasn't true and there was absolutely zero reason to think that it was).
Like I said, you're entire argument is based on an assumption that people don't understand what words like "Friendly" and "Honorable" mean, which I disagree with. "Friendly" means the person was being friendly. "Honorable opponent" means you had an opponent that was being honorable. If players are unable to grasp this very basic concept, then that's their own problem. We shouldn't dumb our systems down to the lowest common denominator.
Kartagia2 votesAnd i already said in multiple of the comments in this thread that "Honorable Opponent" meant nothing in the old Honor system, because it wasn't being used in the predefined context by Riot.
"Humble in Victory, graceful in Defeat" was never what Honorable Opponent was being used for, which was the intended use case anyway.
Neither is honor system used like Riot wants. Usually it is used as MVP defined by score alone in solo Queue thus making whole system moot point. Current categories for honor only show the total lack of understanding of Riot. Honoring someone enduring constant verbal abuse without tilting is not honorable but strength of will - or more likely muting all.
I have always used Honorable Opponent for what is was stated for.
rtbf22561824110 votesI think that Riot should bring ban the Honourable Opponent honour again
According to some players, they really should.
since I meat so many nice people in matchmaking in the enemy teams I think...
Good gods, what the hell are you up to?
PaladinNO4 votessince I meat so many nice people in matchmaking in the enemy teams I think...
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Good gods, what the hell are you up to?
Yeah, I was like "Jason? Is that you!? :O"
https://orig00.deviantart.net/8dc2/f/2017/111/2/2/jasonvoorheesinsta_by_kid_eternity-db6nywk.jpg
I support the request about bringing back Honourable Opponent though. More than once, members of the opposing team are way more honourable than the team I'm on.
Dignitis2 votesSorry for the mistakes there lol in my country it was after 12 p.m. when I wrote it, I wasn't looking at the spelling. I changed it now tho.
PaladinNO2 votesTrust me, it was meant as a friendly jest. No harm or offense intended in any way. :)
But just to explain it, and why it was a good laugh: Word jokes works the best when they are accidentally paired with a fitting sentence. And this one was a really good one.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Just in case you didn't know what you wrote: To "meat" someone is a slang, and basically means to chop/cut them into pieces or otherwise brutally murder them. ;)
Hence my Jason reference, because he did that. http://fridaythe13th.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Voorhees
And I haven't watched the Jason movies for an eternity, and I simply loved the unintended reminder.
Dignitis2 votesI have distance to myself and I dont take too much stuff seriously tbh, but thanks for marking the incorrect words ;)
Yasuicide9 votesWhat about chosing 1 between all 10 players? So instead of just skipping when you lost horribly you can honor an opponent instead of a teammate if you want to. Or if you won easy because the enemy team had an afk/inter you can honor an opponent for staying cool
Elikain1 votesNo. You are not required to spend your vote on anyone, if you feel like no one deserved it. Riot specifically wanted for us not to feel pressured into having to vote for someone. If you don't vote for your team, you might be inclined to spend it on the enemy team to not feel like a "waste" of a vote.
The categories we have right now don't translate at all for the enemy team because they all imply you having been actually playing with them in the same team, to know if the category accurately represents them in the given situation. An "honorable opponent" is, in my opinion, very vague and pointless voting category. I was very rarely using it when i could honor all 5 teammates and only in situations where the enemy team was playing with an AFK player. This doesn't even constitute as an honorable opponent but i used it as a "don't feel bad" mechanic.
This wasn't even the intended use of the honor and i didn't even know what to use it for. I don't rate enemy teams' performances, i only rate my own.
Yasuicide3 votesWhat about chosing 1 between all 10 players? So instead of just skipping when you lost horribly you can honor an opponent instead of a teammate if you want to. Or if you won easy because the enemy team had an afk/inter you can honor an opponent for staying cool
Elikain1 votesIf i skip honoring when i "lose horribly", i do so because of a valid reason. If i didn't feel in particular like anyone in my team deserved to get honored, imagine how much i actually care to honor an opponent for "playing well".
The issue here is that my team lost because they didn't try hard enough, which in my current ELO is what usually happens. Things start rolling downhill and hands are thrown in the air as if saying "we're fucked, don't bother anymore". That means that the enemy team effectively by my team giving up early, which means that there are really no "GG WP" messages coming from me. I don't honor opponents unless in those very specific circumstances i (and you) outlined but that's not what "Honorable Opponent" should mean.
Blackstone013 votesYou are misreading it entirely. It says "you CAN honor an opponent if you WANT to", so you can still say fuck it and honor nobody, but the option is still there.
Elikain1 votesI'm not misreading anything. "Honorable Opponent" meant nothing before and it means nothing now, when we're discussing it. No one said anything about what's it supposed to mean, everyone just used it as a "feel good" mechanic to spam enemy teams that were dealing with an AFK player.
Unless you can provide me with a clear reason as to how and why this would be used, the reason for its existence isn't being justified. Honoring your teammates is worth more than honoring your opponents and it makes no difference if this option is in the game or not. I'm not against everyone having a choice in deciding who to honor, it's your vote and i don't care how you want to use it. But if the reasoning isn't here, the justification can't be as weak as "because we had it before".
HungryJack6194 votesI'm not sure what language you've been speaking, but both "honorable" and "opponent" have definitions in the dictionary. If you want to know what they mean, look them up. "Honorable opponent" simply means that you ascribe the adjective "honorable" to your opponent.
Bronze 6 Yasuo4 votesBut there are no honourable opponents.
Peritheus3 votesSure they'll bring it back in Overdue time, I mean how many months/years go by does Rito typically pull for requests like that as they get bottled down by
their flurry of priority list and therefore cast into the shadow realm where 1 lucky ancient request eventually gets picked out,
finally giving the ones that have so long awaited together what they desire the most but by then their faith hath fleeteth as they are mostly disbanded from distraught by then haha, oh you classic rapscallion you, rito did it again.
AyoLiko4203 votesfrfr my teams toxic af always.. enemy team usually understands my pain and is coo..
MadViking3 votesThis was the only time I actually got honor.....
Miror B2 votesConsidering I've refused to honor like 99% of my own teammates, it'd be nice to also not honor my opponents as well. Also, the first line made me giggle a bit as for a second I thought you were actively handing out meat to people while playing them in game.
Lady Celestia1 votessavage troll lul
The Ecdysiast2 votesHonorable
ftfy
Reyna Rivets2 votesI think that Riot should bring ban the Honourable Opponent honour again, since I meat so many nice people in matchmaking in the enemy teams I think that it would be a good idea to atleast make the same think as with team honour that you should be able to choose the most honourable player from the enemy team too. [zombie-brand-clap]
"Bring ban" (instead of back) and 'meat (meet) so many nice people"? Sir, you seem to have been hit by the Autocorrect bug. Just thought you should know. :)
RaXoR12342 votesI'm with you brother
NOHITDETECTIO2K2 votesIf I got hugely outplayed by lets say an enemy jungler at one point in the game, and it was just so clean that even I'd try it; I'd honor for having my number. Or if the entire enemy team trash talks and is toxic except for one, i'd honor that player for not being a disruption to the game and chat feature. These are a few times i'd feel the need to honor an enemy. I say bring it back indeed.
Metal Janna2 votesAs a support main, whenever I lose, I usually honor the player on my team that did the most to carry. Jungler if he ganked, mid if he roamed, ADC if nobody helped but he put up a good fight and didn't flame just because we lost... But I would like the option to also honor the enemy support who did a damn good job of getting his ADC fed and defeating us in lane. Sometimes the enemy support teaches me a bit about builds or obscure mechanics, and I appreciate that. For the duration of the game we're enemies, but if you show me the kindness of helping me to get better, then I think you deserve an honor.
THE D1C1 votesHow do you meat them, like cut them into steaks and make them into sausage?
Hannibal also does that when he meets people.
Somebody Love Me1 votesMake it like Overwatch, where you have the option to honor someone from either team at the end of the game
Knalxz1 votesI think I honored more opponents and received it more the nay of the other kind of honors before the rework so I'm totally fine with this. It's always nice to be able to give your enemy a pat on the back because at he end of the day it's all just for fun.
Elikain1 votesThis isn't a good idea, in my opinion. If you're playing a team VS team game, the only honors you should be concerned about is on your team. There's no point in honoring the opponent because the same honors apply to them as well. If they're honorable in any way, their teammates should be able to recognize that and honor accordingly. The opponent's vote isn't needed.
Riot could either leave you with two votes (1 for your team, 1 for the enemy team) or they could still leave you with one, making you choose between your own team and the enemy team. Either of these options are bad because the first one is almost implying that after you choose if you want to honor one of your teammates, you should also do that for the enemy team. The second option implies that if you don't spend that vote on your team, you can do so for the enemy team.
Why would you even care how the enemy team performed? You should only be concerned about your own team's performance. And the categories we have now can't even be properly conveyed when we're talking about the enemy team as that requires communication and playing with them to know for sure. That's not something that's known to us, as their opponents and you should also not be concerned about establishing a good rapport with them in the all chat, in the middle of the game.
Reyna Rivets3 votes@Elikain :
Your argument makes no sense to me. By its very nature "honorable opponent" is just that: honorable opponent. If it were honoring a teammate, the honors would be what they currently are.
Also, having honorable opponent honors means that - even if you're a cocky pompous arse of a Draven main and your team hates your guts - the opponent can still say "This guy played really well mechanically. We don't know what transpired in team chat or in the enemy jungle (i.e. stealing buffs/camps) but we think this person is honorable for playing well."
The above gives weight to the all chat "report this person please. I know they played well, but they're also being toxic and rude to us". That would make the enemy team think twice about giving that person honorable opponent.
Finally, this leads me to my coup-de-grace point: Honorable Opponent was a nice thing to have when one team completely stomps another. You got the enemy team that stomped you honoring you and it just felt really good. (Though I do agree that each enemy should only be allowed one honorable opponent vote per game, since the old system was kind of "honor the everybody for everything".)
Elikain1 votes"Humble in victory, graceful in defeat" was the original and intended usage of Honorable Opponent category. There were never players who legitimately deserved this.
"Report this shithead for feeding", bickering between themselves in all chat or rubbing their victory in the other team's face were the usual interactions between teams. This category was never being used as intended. Why do you think i've kept my all chat disabled for 2 years and still do to this day?
There's never any reason to strike up a conversation with the enemy team nor to keep the communication channel open. There's no point in having the option to discuss a strategy or be all buddy buddy with them, in the middle of the game. If you wish to make friends, do so in the post-game lobby.
You got the enemy team that stomped you honoring you and it just felt really good.
The enemy team wipes the floor with you. It's apparent that the game is over and yet, the enemy team isn't finishing the game faster, they decide to chase kills and screw around with your team knowing full well you can't fight back. They're inflating their own scores and that's the whole point. They're not giving you a fair chance to come back. They're stalling the game to make it less of a hassle of having won that easily and swiftly. They're only padding the game time in order to get the chests because they can't actually earn them, they have to resort to "shooting fish in a barrel" tactics.
This drags to 30 minutes with your team also not cooperating or wanting to surrender, for whatever reason. The game feels like a massive waste of time and then you see that "honorable opponent" notification. A pitty "reward" for being their fish in the barrel. "LOL thanks for the game even though it wasn't even challenging. Don't get too mad bro, it's only a game. GG WP!" - is what it says on the label.
This was your high point of getting honored by the enemy team? This was a consolation prize for being a punching bag that didn't complain in the chat.
No, thank you. Unless Riot can find a way to address this and actually make it worth to honor the opponent(s), i don't want it returned in this manner.
Reyna Rivets1 votesI like it when the enemy team intentionally stalls a snowballed game to pad their stats. I've turned games around that way. Sure it doesn't happen often, but boy oh BOY is it satisfying when it does. Then you get to grin smugly in the post-game lobby as they blame each other for throwing, and watch as they tilt off the face of the known universe.
They get cocky one time under tier 3 tower and all of a sudden the defending team has a scrappy ace, a couple more towers and vision around baron pit (or in low elos we just do the baron and defend the base that much more adequately....seriously support shotcalling is literally herding cats ;-; ).
But that's what I signed up for in solo queue so I might as well get a reward from BOTH teams instead of (maybe) just one for getting the crap kicked out of me. :)
Elikain1 votesI've had my fair share of games where the enemy team fooled around chasing kills and then we managed to come back because they let us scale by doing nothing - not even objectives. But those games are a few and far between. I'm not known to surrender any game easily but if i honestly feel like my team doesn't have any redeeming qualities, i just want to lose laster, if my loss is guaranteed.
And no, if my team doesn't surrender for any reason, i'm also not the person who'd go afk, flame or generally stop giving a damn about winning the game in general. I'll begrudgingly play it to the end anyway. But that doesn't mean i like being forced into playing the game if everyone knows it's a loss but they're just too stubborn to surrender and are angry that everyone's losing.
Receiving "honorable opponent" after this kind of a game means nothing to me. The opponent wasn't honorable for intentionally prolonging the game and my teammates weren't honorable because they intentionally let it get long instead of admitting a loss and finishing it.
DarkRitual2 votesI'm not sure if you're aware, but some of us play this game for enjoyment, and sometimes help make it more enjoyable for everyone, which includes the opposing team sometimes.
I used to get honored by opponents from time to time by cracking the right joke at the right time, as an example.
Elikain1 votesI play this game because i enjoy it as well. And that doesn't include every person i've met in my 8 years of playing League.
The experiences i have from interactions between the teams were mostly negative which led me to actually disable all chat 2 years ago. I never came back to it since and i didn't even feel like i was missing a part of the action. I was in the game to play it at the best of my ability and i could also joke with my random teammates, if the opportunity presented itself.
Talking with the enemy team made no sense and it still doesn't.
PaladinNO3 votesA question, if I may: Do you have this icon?
Because if you do, that means you sufficiently acted towards or interacted with the opposing team to be considered an Honourable Opponent yourself, and to even be in the top 10% at that on the specific server.
Why would you even care how the enemy team performed?
Easy: This is a game - and a social one at that. This is NOT a matter of life and death. "Implying" (to use a word that seems oh-so fashionable under the circumstances) that a member of the opposing team may very well deserve a point of honour more than anyone on your own team.
The player, regardless of team(!), who behaved the most honourable - or in plain English, forwarded the most pleasant behaviour/provided the best playing experience - should get the honour point.
And I don't see anything wrong with that.
Sc3X20161 votesI think so too man
loligotboosted1 votesSince there is no incentive for good sportsmanship I say ggez everygame now
