My Riot experience since my 2 week ban

JJK2544··2 votes·1,580 views

So I'm looking for some actual input into my ban appeal, I got banned for 14 days for being toxic. Now while I agree I'm toxic in the chat restrictions leading up to the ban but the ban itself I was trying to appeal. The Rioter Agent 007 claimed that if your toxic then your toxic and will not unban regardless of cause or argument. He essentially shut down everything I had to say with, you were bad you get punished. It was so watered down there was nothing I could say to get him to realize that not every situation is so black and white. I agree I was toxic but I don't believe a 14-Day ban was the solution to the problem. This experience was not welcoming at all, I would love to hear an actual argument as to why I should be banned that's not just, you were banned therefore you got banned. Its a 3 strike system I get that and said I believe it should be a strike and that the next offense should be perma ban but a 14 day suspension for what I did was not just. Basically long story short, Vayne player gets into my game and constantly flames the person I'm duoing with after about 10+ minutes I flame him with %%%%, autistic, and kys. All things that I know cannot be said but what was I supposed to do, he said just mute him but that doesn't stop my friend from getting flamed. That system also promotes very carebear do not care about what people say to you, if they say something bad just mute them, but your in a ranked game and need to listen to your team mates. Normal games having the same repercussions as ranked is a flaw in itself. Normal games have different attitude and promote fun games regardless of win or lose, but ranked every one is trying their hardest to win and should 100 percent value what their team mates have to say. If they muted that Vayne then that Vayne was tracking sums on the enemy bot lane and said lets go in Sona doesn't have flash, Vayne would go in by herself and die throwing the lane for a dumb mistake that no one is really to blame. I believe certain levels of toxicity should be allowed in ranked and more importantly there should be a system to stop toxicity during the game not after. Chances are your not going to play with that player ever again therefore him being banned actually doesn't effect you, only that player hopefully getting banned after the game. I'm basically trying to reach other to a Rioter who can listen and give clear points on whether or not a 14-Day ban is just, and also to improve, what I would call an awful system, in ways that having discussions can solve, such as if your toxic you get banned. I have chat logs for the Rioter, and what I said in game. But not what Vayne said and when I asked he just dodged the question.

34 Comments

Anomander7 votes

I flame him with %%%%, autistic, and kys.

How is this in any way ok? Considering your attitude about this 14 day ban. You deserve a perma ban...

Whats worse is you know this is wrong to do and still do it trying to justify your actions......

I really hope a rioter sees your post and gives you a escalated perma ban.

JJK25442 votes

Did I ever say its ok? Honestly by that logic every calling someone anything other than being positive should be treated the same, words are words. If I said he was a moron I would consider it the same level as toxicity as autistic. What if he said something even worse and you didn't see him as a player and had some bias towards him?

Anomander3 votes

All things that I know cannot be said but what was I supposed to do, he said just mute him but that doesn't stop my friend from getting flamed.

You were trying to justify your actions. Even though you knew it was wrong and against the rules. You chose to act this way then complain that the punishment is unjust by asking for a appeal. In those three little words I quoted you are each worth a 14 day ban. Hate speech and self harm are both ZERO tolerance. Autism is also not something that is ok to use as a insult and should be considered Zero tolerance as well.

Just to finish up. Other players actions are never considered when determining a ban. Your actions are the only determining factor.

JJK25442 votes

If you had read my paragraph you should realize that I believe that is too unrealistic to just say, that there's only 1 factor ever in determining if your toxicity should be bannable, although I understand if it is the check and if its the reason for most bans. There are many more factors that should be taken into consideration. Also ZERO tolerance isn't at all in the league community. If they are that bad, which ever side you take doesn't really matter honestly, then why is it not more known? Hate speech is definitely talked about but thats a very broad term as for self harm kys is said in more matches then I can count and I dont see them getting instantly banned when I report them. If they are so bad then make sure it is known besides dont mean be to others while playing.

Anomander3 votes

that there's only 1 factor ever in determining if your toxicity should be bannable,

The persons actions who is being banned is the ONLY thing that should ever be considered. They don't have control over other people's actions. They should at least be able to control their own. Just because another person is toxic doesn't mean you have a right to be.

The bottom line is you deserve the ban. Accept it. Either continue and get perma banned(which is what i think you deserve) or stop being toxic and reform.

Whichever choice you make is up to you.

JJK25441 votes

that is simply not true, different types of murder exist. For example manslaughter vs 1st degree. Cause is almost everything regardless I still flamed and I should get punished but the 14 day ban I thought was too extreme. To just say your toxic nothing else matters is too simplistic and doesnt reflect reality.

Anomander4 votes

Good news! This isn't real life!

This is a video game ran by riot who has told You that You are toxic and got a 14 day ban.

You are either a troll or beyond help.

Either way.

You are a waste of my time.

JJK25441 votes

wow are you sure your not toxic??

42ØmegaSquadVeig3 votes

i agree to an extent but im getting mad at someone for inting a game saying just afk persay, and i get a chat ban for calling them a fucking child, like i get i can hold it in and i could of, but why should i have to hold it in when theyre intentionally making it unfun and not getting a ban?

Arkon3 votes

Doesn't this reply make you just as toxic as him for saying that you hope he gets perma banned?

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How is this in any way ok? Considering your attitude about this 14 day ban. You deserve a perma ban...

Whats worse is you know this is wrong to do and still do it trying to justify your actions......

I really hope a rioter sees your post and gives you a escalated perma ban.

Why would you ever wish for someone to be perma banned? This makes you just as bad as him.

Anomander1 votes

LOL didn't like my response to you getting banned so you go troll my other posts?

I wish a lot of people would get a permanent ban. If you are toxic i want riot to punish you. If you refuse to reform even though you know your toxic I want you permanently removed from the game. This isn't being toxic. This is wishing for less people to experience the toxicity that the OP and yourself have brought to the game.

Arkon2 votes

Never said I didn't like your response. Im open to criticism. Just wanted to see what you said in different scenarios. I guess being curious is a bad thing?

Chermorg3 votes

If you got punished again, obviously your attitude wasn't fixed by chat restrictions. That's why it escalated.

JJK25441 votes

As I said the chat restrictions were justified, but not all toxicity bans are justified ie he was constantly harassing my friend and even got banned for it.

Chermorg6 votes

You are responsible for your own actions. Fighting fire with fire is not allowed

JJK25441 votes

Again just boiling it down to hes toxic he should be banned is just unrealistic, I never said I did not own my actions but was seeking something other than what your saying now. The very innocent if hes mean just ignore him it will go away and dont say anything.

Chermorg1 votes

I'm sorry to say but you can seek whatever you want, but you won't find it on League.

League is a game where you are expected to have the self control to not be toxic back to people.

EvilDustMan3 votes

You shouldn't have flamed. And yes, autistic is hate speech, you are using a word for a disability as an insult, at a time when autistic people are having trouble being accepted. And sit there and ask yourself "is kill yourself really an okay thing to tell someone?"

Without the hate speech, you were just making things worse. You should have muted immediately and reported them. Defending yourself doesn't really do anything but escalate the situation.

JJK25441 votes

Last line doesnt make sense, escalates nothing except that I want this situation to be talked about more. I believe everything has a cause, if its justifiable or not is subjective but to just say its never ok is a huge problem. Undermines what happend before the hate speech. Saying that there is nothing that could ever warrant behaviour like that isnt thinking of situations before that. ie he said some actually horific things to my friend. And also doesnt solve the real issue that toxicity during a game isnt really dealt with. If the system can already go through and see whos being toxic and make the situation go to a real person then why cant it do it mid game as well as after game? I think I would be a great deterant to being toxic if someone gets banned for being toxic during your game.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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Last line doesnt make sense, escalates nothing except that I want this situation to be talked about more. I believe everything has a cause, if its justifiable or not is subjective but to just say its never ok is a huge problem. Undermines what happend before the hate speech. Saying that there is nothing that could ever warrant behaviour like that isnt thinking of situations before that. ie he said some actually horific things to my friend. And also doesnt solve the real issue that toxicity during a game isnt really dealt with. If the system can already go through and see whos being toxic and make the situation go to a real person then why cant it do it mid game as well as after game? I think I would be a great deterant to being toxic if someone gets banned for being toxic during your game.

Okay. He said horrific things to your friend. What do you expect to happen when you flame him back?

JJK25441 votes

For him to focus his attention to me, as well as step back and stop typing for a bit. What I wanted to achieve from the flame itself actually happend, he started to flame me back then went to all chat. So for all intensive purposes it worked.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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For him to focus his attention to me, as well as step back and stop typing for a bit. What I wanted to achieve from the flame itself actually happend, he started to flame me back then went to all chat. So for all intensive purposes it worked.

Which would have been better accomplished by you both muting him.

JJK25441 votes

Pls comment with something other than how is that stuff isnt ok, Ive already said under normal circumstances why they werent ok. Also using previous bias to say that this situation was just me being toxic again without providing a real reason isnt why this discussion is here.

General Esdeath 1 votes

chat logs?

JJK25441 votes

Which ones?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Latest ones that got you banned.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

You could've muted. Your friend could've muted. If they were really just words and didn't affect you or your friend you wouldn't feel the need to defend your friend or yourself. You wouldn't feel the need to insult back.

You were literally given tools to deal with this and chose not to use them lol Mute. Report. Let Riot sort them out. Get them being the same way two games in a row? Even better they'll be themselves you'll mute, report, and move on.

Its not that you're unjustified in how you feel about people acting this way, and its understandable you're frustrated with the ban, but it is what it is when you admitted to lowering yourself to that level. You were warned and didn't raise above it for whatever reason. The punishments exist because seriously the game would be better without people being insulting or passive aggressive. Trolls will get their day too

Friendly Ram1 votes

try posting the support logs for our viewing pleasure

Glu10Sensitivity1 votes

you said you used the words that riot has a dim view of... you're not going to get the ban lifted.

JJK25441 votes

Its just a healthy discussion Riot is a company, they are not individuals that cannot handle criticism other wise they would've gone under already. People questioning the system is how it evolves which was the main point of this post.

WinterGhost1001 votes

Using swear words or Keys is not the only reason someone can get banned for being Toxic. The small things can add up as well. Wake up just mute in-game chat and put on just nice music, I didn't have someone like me to tell them to do that and now I'm Permabanned. Please do not make the same mistake I did.

JJK25441 votes

Thats weird to me, things like "you suck" once a match is very insignificant, I think its very comparable to being passive aggressive. Both shouldn't be allowed but if someone wants to say that in a game then im not going to report them just for that 1 thing. And I would hope riot wouldnt ban someone for that. But if it continues over a bunch of games then sure a ban is in order, but Im finding the rules riot has very unclear. Summoners code just tells people to be nice for example.

Little bubby1 votes

I fucking hate riot those unfair pieces of shit dont look into any report they let an automated system take care of everything

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