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How am i permabanned for this?

zoe sucks··1 votes·1,985 views

Game 1 Pre-Game yung edvard: ad yung edvard: c yung edvard: adc In-Game yung edvard: feed zed, no balls yung edvard: zed no r yung edvard: go mid gp yung edvard: go mid yung edvard: GP yung edvard: GO yung edvard: MID yung edvard: PLS yung edvard: all ur doing is baiting down the zed yung edvard: who can 1 shot me yung edvard: no yung edvard: i cant do shit when zed is there yung edvard: lol stuf yung edvard: losing to cleaver rush zed yung edvard: noob yung edvard: u died 1v1 xd yung edvard: he literally said: "little whore" yung edvard: i told him to leave myl ane yung edvard: gold 3, 51% winrate yung edvard: dont talk trash gp yung edvard: ur actually hardstuck gold yung edvard: XD yung edvard: ur 2 ranks above me yung edvard: took u 400 games yung edvard: "kill yourself cait" xd yung edvard: haha yung edvard: stfu yung edvard: gj! yung edvard: can u report gp, he is legit extremely toxic yung edvard: hoarunge yung edvard: worth? yung edvard: atleast u got my ga guys yung edvard: wp yung edvard: they have no ults yung edvard: get siht on yung edvard: easy yung edvard: gg yung edvard: easy yung edvard: Easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy

i got perma banned for typing this. how? i am playing caitlyn btw, so if u say it's wrong of me typing "kill yourself cait" xd, and "little whore", i put those in exclamation marks to tell the enemy team what he said to me, so they could report him. how is this perm-banable???????????????????

50 Comments

Bright Claws4 votes

just stop doing any of these things. pls. asking to report in all chat is so damn cringy

yung edvard1 votes

if no one is going to report him, then how is he supposed to get punished?

HalcyonDweller4 votes

It only takes one report to flag the game for review. You don't need to ask anyone to help report someone, just report them yourself. Any additional reports beyond the first won't actually do anything to affect whether or not they get punished.

yung edvard2 votes

My bad, i actually believed that it would require a certain amount of reports for Riot to actually give a damn about it.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

No worries dude, that's a misconception still held by a lot of people. You're not alone in being confused about it.

OniZetsu6662 votes

[{quoted}](name=yung edvard,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=t6BfroZb,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-13T16:28:05.054+0000)

if no one is going to report him, then how is he supposed to get punished?

When people still think an automated system needs multiple reports to get noticed. If the system was ran by people then sure. But its not. All it would take is your report. Btw I'm pretty sure asking for reports is reportable in itself and is considered harassment.

Bright Claws2 votes

[{quoted}](name=yung edvard,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=t6BfroZb,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-13T16:28:05.054+0000)

if no one is going to report him, then how is he supposed to get punished?

Just don't ask people to report him. Seriously. That's just bullying. It only takes one report to go through to get someone punished so long as its punish worthy and you're not being a troll. Why should it be any one else's business if its only affecting you? My single reports on 4 people who gang up on me asking a total of 9 people to report me always ends up with me not getting punished because I did nothing wrong while at least 1 - 2 of the other people do.

yung edvard1 votes

I just wanted the enemy to know why they should report him, so i don't just tell them to report him for absolutely no reason.

Unker1395 votes

[{quoted}](name=yung edvard,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=t6BfroZb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-06-13T16:29:03.265+0000)

I just wanted the enemy to know why they should report him, so i don't just tell them to report him for absolutely no reason.

Why do they need to report them. If you report, it will get reviewed.

yung edvard1 votes

As mentioned, i genuintly thought it would take a certain number of reports for Riot to review the case. I've reported hundreds of players (where i believe i was the only one reporting them), for harrasing me, yet i've only been giving the in-client message, that someone has received a penalty, a maximum 2 or 3 times. I'm not a soft person, so i can take a bit of tilt talk from people, which means i've only reported people that said stuff like what happened in this game (Kill yourself, your mom is a whore, etc.)

HalcyonDweller4 votes

Well the problem here is that the in-client message is not consistent. You don't get notified every time someone you report gets punished. Riot has a bunch of reasons for this, but none of that really matters in the end. What it comes down to is that you aren't always told that Person X from your last game got punished, even if you reported them.

Chubby Chernobyl2 votes

Or....you need to learn how to control you internet rage and understand that you can't tell the tone or connotation of what your saying through text. It's up for the receiver to interpret meaning. I didn't see a j/k after any of that. Just saying.

yung edvard1 votes

You can't call that rage, legit no way. And i am not blaming him for anything, im mostly just defending myself.

Chubby Chernobyl1 votes

You know how I don't get permabanned for chat. /mute all:)

yung edvard1 votes

Thank you, definetely a useful comment!

TheEvilQueen1351 votes

it only takes one report to get a review, more reports doesn't do anything extra. also you must have gotten some punishment previously

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Punishments are cumulative, if you've had a 14-day ban and not reformed since, then any punishable behavior would have resulted in an escalation to the last stage of punishment. Punishments accumulate in this order: 10-game chat restriction -> 25 game chat restriction -> 14-day ban -> permanent ban.

Here are the things you did which the system could have seen as punishable:

  1. You rank shamed a teammate. "ur actually hardstuck gold"

  2. You quoted somebody else's use of zero tolerance language - "kill yourself cait" xd

  3. You repeatedly told someone to stop talking, saying stfu, don't talk trash, etc. If their chat bothers you then you should have muted them, instead of retaliating.

  4. You called for reports against another player. Which is unnecessary (see my other comment) and which constitutes harassment when combined with other behavior against the same player.

yung edvard1 votes

Saying he is hardstuck gold isn't really rankshaming, rather stating a fact.

Am i not allowed to quote someone else? How else am i supposed to tell them what he said. And for the record, i was playing Caitlyn, so i wouldn't say it's anything bad to say, especially when im talking about myself. If i say my teammates are trash, i will get banned, but if i say directly in chat; "I'm actually garbage," then it isn't offensive?

Am i not allowed to tell him to shut up when he is saying stuff like "little whore", and "kill yourself", amongst other things? (this is just what i remember him saying, he sent atleast 10-20 lines of directly shittalking me."

And for your last argument, i thought a certain number of reports was required for Riot to give a damn, because normally people report each other for inting, all the god damn time, even though they are just having a bad game.

Karunamon2 votes

Am i not allowed to quote someone else?

Generally, no. Quoting toxicity means you're quoting someone that everyone else on your team should have muted already. For two, this is a great way to wind up on the wrong side of the automatic system. (Someone says "kys", you say "lol, 'kys' is bannable", both of you will get banned)

Am i not allowed to tell him to shut up-

No. Mute them. Don't subject the remaining 3 people on your team to your slapfight.

And for your last argument, i thought a certain number of reports was required for Riot to give a damn, because normally people report each other for inting, all the god damn time, even though they are just having a bad game.

Generally yes, but it's over a series of games, not number of reports in one game.

Chat is policed a lot more harshly than inting just because it's a lot easier to automatically detect.

yung edvard1 votes

How the hell am i not allowed to quote somebody. You have to be legit braindead, if your under the believe that quoting, makes you the violator. Quoting is legit used for telling people, directly what other people said, just like you just quoted me. It wouldn't make sence to rephrase it in a positive way, such as if he said "Go killyourself", i would say "He told me to go do something that would most likely make me end up dead."

Karunamon2 votes

Because there's no reason for it. Everyone has a chat history, everyone can see what everyone else said at a glance.

You have to be legit braindead, if your under the believe that quoting, makes you the violator.

Because as I just got done saying, it's automatic. Don't quote toxicity.

yung edvard1 votes

And you say we should have muted him already? He started the game off by giving up his role for a friend of mine, because my friend didn't want to lane against the opponent. He seemed like a nice guy, then i ask him to leave my lane and he instantly starts raging (probably because he died in my lane) and kept running down to my lane, to take all my xp and cs :/ I hadn't muted him earlier, because i'd had no reason to do so.

Karunamon1 votes

I'm saying you should have muted him rather than gotten into the shit with him.

yung edvard1 votes

As an extra add: can i see all of my chat log for all of my games? I can stand 100% in for me playing as a positive player after my 14-day-ban, and i can 100% say that my behaviour is reformed from what it used to be when i got 14-day'd.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=yung edvard,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=t6BfroZb,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-13T19:22:09.317+0000)

Saying he is hardstuck gold isn't really rankshaming, rather stating a fact.

Just because something is true doesn't mean it is right or worthwhile to say. In this case, what you said served to escalate the argument with that player and turn team chat into an even worse experience for the other 3 players who had to put up with your "slapfight," in the words of Karunamon.

"Stating facts" is a very bad excuse. Communication has multiple levels. There's the basic level of words and meaning, but there's also a second layer to the communication, one of implications, ego and conceptualization. You wanted him to be quiet. You attempted to force him to be quiet by humiliating him for his failure to climb the ladder. You can defend the basic level all you want, but the second layer is plain as day to see. It's just not defensible.

Am i not allowed to quote someone else? How else am i supposed to tell them what he said. And for the record, i was playing Caitlyn, so i wouldn't say it's anything bad to say, especially when im talking about myself. If i say my teammates are trash, i will get banned, but if i say directly in chat; "I'm actually garbage," then it isn't offensive?

No, when someone says something as awful as that, you are not supposed to quote it. And you aren't supposed to tell others what the player said, either. You can report the player yourself to ensure that they get reviewed. Repeating what they said just exposes more people to the player's offensive/hurtful thinking unnecessarily.

Self-deprecating humor is acceptable, but this wasn't self-deprecating humor. You were report calling and exposing everyone to something someone else said.

Am i not allowed to tell him to shut up when he is saying stuff like "little whore", and "kill yourself", amongst other things? (this is just what i remember him saying, he sent atleast 10-20 lines of directly shittalking me."

Well, that's a grey area. Sometimes you can do it, sometimes you can't. It's not a line I'd recommend toeing though, it would be too easy to do it too much and wear out your bad-game protection and then wind up punished without realizing if you were crossing the line. You're safest just muting them. You want them to stop talking shit at you, and muting them effectively does that, so there's no need to tell them to shut up.

And for your last argument, i thought a certain number of reports was required for Riot to give a damn, because normally people report each other for inting, all the god damn time, even though they are just having a bad game.

No, the system doesn't simply ignore individual reports, it reviews cases the same regardless of how many reports are made against an individual in a single game. Reporting alone doesn't make it less likely for punishment to occur.

yung edvard1 votes

You really can't say, that telling him that he is hardstuck gold is too offensive. Being gold 3 (as of his case) means he is above the level of 75% of other players, which isn't bad in any way. You CONSTANTLY see people saying that others are hardstuck D5, and it isn't something that will make you receive bans.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Dude, it's over. You did things and got punished for doing them. Either learn from them or don't. But don't waste both our time arguing semantics like this. You told someone to stop talking because they were hardstuck. Your tone and intent were obvious. There's no excusing that.

And this was just one of multiple things in the log which each individually could have been questionable. Looking at everything together I'm not surprised it resulted in a punishment. I'm not Riot, I didn't decide to punish you, and I don't control whether or not your punishment gets reduced or lifted. I simply explained why your chat log could have resulted in a punishment.

yung edvard1 votes

You obviously can't see the chat, cause Riot Games haven't heard of context. I didn't tell him to stop talking because he was hardstuck, i told him to stop talking because he told me to kill myself. I believe there's a difference.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

That's not what you said when you told him to stop talking. You mentioned his rank and failure to climb the ladder. There was literally no valid reason to even touch that subject, it had nothing to do with what he said to you.

What prompted you to speak is not the same thing as the reasoning you used to try to make him stop talking.

You're still arguing semantics. Do it again and this conversation will be over.

naruto12671 votes

why would riot perma ban some one for trying to play the right why, mostly people would get banned are the one that are trying to help other people and then get perma ban for trying to help or a troll person doesn't do something right and the person trying to correct the person gets perma ban. riot needs to rethink why the person got perma banned

Karunamon4 votes

yung edvard: stfu yung edvard: can u report gp, he is legit extremely toxic yung edvard: get siht on yung edvard: easy yung edvard: gg yung edvard: easy yung edvard: Easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy

Ah yes, I can see how this is the height of helpful chat and playing the right way.

yung edvard1 votes

I wrote this after their Zed had completely shit on me in a 1v1 and as the nexus was about to explode. If people can't tell that it's meant as a joke, and report me for saying it, they legit need to learn how to interact with others.

Karunamon3 votes

"Just a joke bro" doesn't work in real life and it doesn't work here. It's not other people's job to try to understand what of your noise is a joke and what is serious, it's your job to not make noise in the first place.

yung edvard1 votes

Where does "Just a joke bro" come from.

yung edvard1 votes

Where does "Just a joke bro" come from. And if you mean that me saying easy easy easy easy is harrassing or offensive, then you must be ntus.

Karunamon2 votes

"Harrassing", no. "Offensive", no.

Poor sportsmanship? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Read the summoner's code.

yung edvard1 votes

I guess that fast-typing easy is a bit unsportsmanship

GreenLore1 votes

And calling others "noob" or to "stfu" as well.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

{quoted}

Ah yes, I can see how this is the height of helpful chat and playing the right way.

ahhaaa

yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: Easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy yung edvard: easy

i like the part when he says easy

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

It's not what you said is permabann-able, what you said was penalty worthy. Since you just got off your 14-day ban, you received another penalty. You used up all your chances despite all your warning. Also, the "easy" part really encourages people to report you for un-sportsmanship-like attitude. It's not an attitude that is respected, instead it's inflammatory and will easily get you a report.

yung edvard1 votes

Maybe spamming "easy" as my own nexus is exploding is a tiny bit "unsportsmanlike". Also it's been a few months, at least, since my 14-day ban, where i haven't been saying anything poorly about my teammates, and overall encouraging better behaviour. And what i said is seriously on the bare edge of penalty worthy. Come on, im not directly "flaming" him, it's not hatetalk, and it's at most just a TINY bit hard language. If someone out in society where to tell you to kill yourself, or say that your a little whore, most people wouldn't go by, with just telling them to shut up, so rather than this being offensive, i would say it's quite the opposite.

EDIT: I found out we won that game, and i spammed easy right after i'd just been completely shit on in 1v1 by the enemy Zed and he was spam emoting me as we won the game :)

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

This isn't about them. This case is about you and you alone. Your teammates weren't there typing for you.

But yes, you did deserve this ban.

yung edvard1 votes

You say i used up "all my chances". I have had 1 ban/restriction before this. That was a 2 week ban, and was definitely deserved, since i said some pretty disturbing things.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Some behaviors are considered severe enough to skip to a 14-day ban and bypass the chat restrictions completely.

Chubby Chernobyl1 votes

Probably should stop blaming others.

P4ppino1 votes

Do you not know how the system works? It takes literally 3 minutes to look up the words that gonna lend you an instant punishment, no matter the context. You should've been more careful. No hard feelings.

Bluaris UwU 1 votes

EUW smh

TrulyBland1 votes

You are going to be on very thing ice for quite a while after a 14-day ban, which would mean that your generally negative attitude might actually explain the permaban by itself.

If it has been a rather long time since the ban and you believe you've otherwise behaved positively, I'd recommend writing a support ticket, since it could be that you quoting what was said to you pushed you over the edge. In that case support might be willing to show leniency, but I really wouldn't expect anything because, as said, your behaviour in this game was definitely not okay by Riot's rules.

yung edvard1 votes

THIS IS THE PERSON WHO TOLD ME TO KILL MYSELF: http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=thediaryoflee So i've been instantly permabanned for this, and the guy that says "kill yourself" to others can keep playing the game? How very nice.

He insulted me in the game where he played Gangplank, 11 GAMES AGO. I managed to play 1 ARAM, and after that i was instantly perm-banned. He is still going, hello?

Vlada Cut1 votes

Pointless and infatile. Justified.

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