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Riot, the tyrant of MOBA

Angel999Apollyon··3 votes·1,599 views

I have been playing league for a few years now and one major, ugly setback always stares me in the face no matter how many accounts I create. This is the scenario.. Player a (me) is harassed by player b (troll) for literally the whole game. Player A obviously gets frustrated and says things like "stop spamming the pings on me and verbally abusing me, I hope you get banned." When literally the whole game player B force-ably harassed and told me to kill myself, called me a %%%got etc. and yet... I HAVE A 14 DAY SUSPENSION FOR DEFENDING MYSELF AGAINST THE TROLL WHO WAS VIOLENTLY MORE AGGRESSIVE AND TOXIC THAN I WAS OR COULD EVER BE AND YET I STILL RECEIVED A 14 DAY SUSPENSION FOR 1 GAME MIND YOU~! AFTER I TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE DOWN EACH AND EVERY THING THAT PLAYER B SAID TO ME, CREATING SUCH A PURE AND CLEAN CUT TRIBUNAL CASE AND YET I AM PUNISHED. THIS AUTOMATED SYSTEM IS GARBAGE JUST LIKE RIOTS SUPPORT TEAM. THE PLAYERS WHO REVIEW TRIBUNALS ARE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL AS I SEE A CLEAR!!!! CLEARRRRR!!!!!!!! SIMILARITY TO RIOT AND FAVORITISM. Now then, rant aside.. you will be removing the 14 day ban or I swear, when I come back, I will be as toxic as humanly possible because that is what you create riot. You create toxicity with automated unfair systems which break players morale to the point of toxicity. If I get mad at someone for saying unbelievably hateful things to me, that is human. we are not robots who play league. (some are robots) but not me. I should not be punished in any way for reporting someone who told me to kill myself and I damn sure best not be punished for defending myself against such cases because what you don't understand riot... when multiple people join a queue for instance, in your new group setting.. they have absolutely no regard for anyone who is not their friend or in their group. This creates yet again more toxicity. No, the "reformed players" punishment is fucking moronic as well. Tons of people were super excited to come and play and get their loot then nearly everyone who plays was hit with "you are ineligible to receive loot due to previous behavioral restrictions.." you know what that did? it made me not give a shit about being toxic or not because if I have to wait 2-6 months after my 10 game chat mute or my 25 game chat mute or my 14 day suspension as it were right now, I simply wont give a shit about hex-tech, do you not understand what you're doing is literally fucked right the hell up. You promised every player hex-tech but people who already worked off their restrictions STILL HAVE TO WAIT! We need to see the root of the problem, which is riot itself. Riot is a huge corporation, they make TONS of money. How else do you think they could fund the events that they do? That being said, riot simply does not care about cases like these, they simply just don't because they make so much MONEY from the other players. This is the entire reason for the automated peer tribunal system, it wasn't to make the game more fair, it was to make it easier for riot support team to just sit on their asses and not do a damn thing. In real pay to play games, there are moderators, there are admins, there are support teams who are literally there just to help you. In league you get absolutely none of that. There is no actual person looking at your tribunals, there aren't active mods or admins in games and therefore they use an automated system which does not account for emotion or context. This has to stop, riot, you fucked up hard. In the end both the victim and the assailant get punished or sometimes just the victim, this is not how you control your games toxicity riot this is how you make it a whole lot worse. I expect leagueoflegends to be offline by 2018 due to lack of care for your players. Remember though, and I know a forum mod will see this, if I don't get my 14 day suspension lifted for defending myself to someone who told me to kill myself I will be coming back much more toxic after the 14 days and I'll have more than enough people who agree with me and we will all be as toxic as possible until you FIX YOUR TRIBUNAL SYSTEM! THAT IS SIMPLY WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED RIOT. If you don't want toxic players, don't have a toxic tribunal system that doesn't read context or emotion. In the end, fuck riot, fuck the tribunal system, and fuck all toxic league players who act as toxic as can be then have their friends report those who have only defended their well being and the well being of the other teammates. You fucking suck riot. In conclusion, league is not a fun or alright game to play anymore, it is not kid friendly, it is not even human friendly. Just don't play league its seriously not worth your time. Can't wait to see if anyone actually does something about my case. You know, the one were I defended MYSELF against someone who told me to KILL MYSELF, for your complete information riot, it's actually illegal to tell someone to kill themselves in certain areas. Anyway, can't wait to see if this huge fuck up will be resolved or not. If not, the amount of toxicity that will be all over league due to your negligence will be on you riot. I tried very hard to make this a clear message to riot about the actual struggles of the tribunal system and banning of actual trolls not the victims who defended themselves. Hopefully they will see what truly needs to be done so we can all actually have fun on league without worrying about being reported back for telling someone to fuck off when they say extremely nasty things.

Game 1 Angel999Apollyon: hi everyone, report riven for verbal abuse and stealing my lane call in pregame Angel999Apollyon: thank you Angel999Apollyon: im muting you Angel999Apollyon: bye Angel999Apollyon: leave my lane or get reported Angel999Apollyon: now this players spamming pings so we cant see the game chat Angel999Apollyon: please remember to report for the ban on riven Angel999Apollyon: STOP SPAMMING PINGS GOD I HOPE YOU GET BANNED Angel999Apollyon: last warning, im posting this to the forums if you dont stop being toxic Angel999Apollyon: just because riven chose to go with a troll strategy we are losing we needed a jungle badly, not an idiot who thinks theyre awe Angel999Apollyon: awesome at bullying Angel999Apollyon: i feel ya man Angel999Apollyon: people like riven deserve the perma ban
Angel999Apollyon: we need to all group mid guys Angel999Apollyon: split push isnt working at all Angel999Apollyon: eat them up cho Angel999Apollyon: lol ashe, unlock your camera before using your ult... Angel999Apollyon: guys Angel999Apollyon: move Angel999Apollyon: help us Angel999Apollyon: cho? Angel999Apollyon: cho..... Angel999Apollyon: DONT AFK Angel999Apollyon: ok Angel999Apollyon: cho? Angel999Apollyon: wow Angel999Apollyon: really bro? Angel999Apollyon: cho? Angel999Apollyon: cho come mid Angel999Apollyon: stop running from fights Angel999Apollyon: you're letting us die more than we need to Angel999Apollyon: also Angel999Apollyon: cho is a tank Angel999Apollyon: not ap Angel999Apollyon: wow, toxic.try not to feed so hard next game Angel999Apollyon: a game that we all spend time on Angel999Apollyon: for you to just lose it Angel999Apollyon: cause of your lack of strategy Angel999Apollyon: report cho goth for intentional feeding :( please :( Angel999Apollyon: get fucked cho

This was the chat of the ONE GAME i got a 14 DAY SUSPENSION from. Now, my problem is, yeah you can see I got annoyed with 2 players on the team, BUT YOU CANT SEE WHAT THEY SAID TO ME THEREFORE THERE IS NO CONTEXT!!! NO CONTEXT MEANS YOU CANT PUNISH ME~!!! I WAS LITERALLY DEFENDING MYSELF FROM A DUDE WHO TOLD ME I SHOULD JUST KILL MYSELF AND A PLAYER WHO WAS OBVIOUSLY INTENTIONALLY FEEDING HE WENT 0/13. The player who told me to kill myself is named bosdrom or bosrom something like that, you can surely look at their chat logs compared to mine and you can CLEARLY SEE I did not deserve a 14 day suspension for this, it is the other way around, cho and riven from that game the feeder and verbal abuser are at fault, not me for getting upset. One last thing I will address is, in this single game the riven tried to steal my lane from the pregame on, spammed warning pings on my character for a good 10 mins straight, told me to kill myself, verbally abused me for the entire game until I had to mute them, crashed my lanes cs, and had her friends report me for literally nothing. The cho fed constantly and when asked about his build he didn't change for the team strategy or anything (classic feeder) literally the worst thing I said all game was "get fucked cho" one single line of text in one single game which it usually takes 2-3 games for something like this 14 day punishment to be applicable. Your system is broken, completely and utterly broken. Get your shit together riot or people will inevitably stop playing or wanting anything to do with league.

66 Comments

Erdrik7 votes

Player A (me) is harassed by player B (troll) for literally the whole game. Player A obviously gets frustrated and says things like "stop spamming the pings on me and verbally abusing me, I hope you get banned." When literally the whole game player B force-ably harassed and told me to kill myself, called me a %%%got etc

Emphasis mine.

Riots general policy is "two wrongs don't make a right". As long as Player B gets reported they will be judged by what they say and do. Just as Player A is judged by what Player A says and does.

Regardless of what Player B does, wishing they get banned is not sportsmanlike conduct. It is a minor thing, but if Player A is doing that frequently and consistently, then it builds up and will get Player A in trouble.

It does not matter who did it first. It does not matter who did it worse. If two players do it, both players get punished.

you will be removing the 14 day ban or I swear, when I come back, I will be as toxic as humanly possible because that is what you create riot

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

The issue is not me. If i cant defend myself and have faith that the person who violently verbally assaulted me will be punished no matter what then there is nothing to change because justice is not being served. The issue is a faulty tribunal system that does not EQUALLY punish players.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

I stand by my whole post. If riot doesn't fix this then I see no reason why I should be sportsmanlike and happy while playing league.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

Quite frankly, I see no reason to not be toxic at this point, getting suspended for 14 days only makes me feel like riot didn't actually punish the person which i reported (cuz they probably didn't) so what exactly is the point of league if you're not supposed to talk back, not supposed to report, and not supposed to say anything at all unless someone reports you.

Erdrik6 votes

so what exactly is the point of league if you're not supposed to talk back...

Umm... play the game? Last hit, take towers, kill champs, destroy nexus?

MeilinII4 votes

The reason not to be toxic is to avoid a perma and not be a shitty person. But if you want to lose your account, go ahead. All of us would be glad to be rid of you. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

Again, completely horrid response, you're literally the reason why there are toxic people on league, high and mighty douches like you. to be completely honest I'm writing down your name so if I ever see you in league I can opt out in the pregame.

MeilinII3 votes

Fine by me, I don't like playing with toxic players anyways. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Erdrik6 votes

Riot can't "fix" something that is working as intended. The rules have been set and clear for years.

These are the rules they set. You broke them. If you disagree with them then your choice is to either follow them anyway and play, or find a different game to play.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

That's exactly my point though, it is NOT working as intended AT ALL! Let me remind you this was one single game, I had no other reports on me, I had no other punishments, one single game and I was 14 day suspeneded.

Erdrik2 votes

The only way I know of to jump straight to 14 day ban is SUPER EXTREME toxicity, racial slurs, or hate speech.

Otherwise it is 10 day chat ban, 25 day chat ban, then 14 day full ban.

As I understand it, outside of the extremes I mentioned 1 game will not get you into trouble.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

i had a 10 game and a 25 game mute last week sometime, nothing like that this week.

Erdrik2 votes

Ah. Thats it then. From what I understand, it takes 3 months to go down a level. You don't restart from zero.

So if you were at 25 game chat restriction last week, you would still need to avoid trouble for 3 months to avoid the 14 day ban.

Reaper Review1 votes

{quoted}

Ah. Thats it then. From what I understand, it takes 3 months to go down a level. You don't restart from zero.

So if you were at 25 game chat restriction last week, you would still need to avoid trouble for 3 months to avoid the 14 day ban.

I think the severity of offenses can override that, though. My 14-day ban was somewhere around 5 months before my perma was.

I don't know the ins and outs of the system, though. I asked about it in a support ticket, but they told me my ban was final, so I didn't press the issue.

Erdrik1 votes

-shrug- Im just posting what Ive learned from these boards. I don't fully know the system. Its why I say "From what I understand..."

MeilinII1 votes

From what rioters have said here, it seems like 3 months is an average. What they have said for sure is that you must 1: play games 2: not get reported in said games for a long period of time to be considered reformed. Basically, play enough non-toxic games to dilute your toxicity meter.

MasterSomething1 votes

Yes, extremely toxic behavior (homophobic speech, racial slurs) will skip punishment tiers. If you were calling someone a special word for "gay" all game that will get you banned immediately.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

Also, thanks for all your responses, Ima go to bed. You in particular helped out a lot, not so much the melinII chick she was extremely rude.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

In any case, I can see that even forum mods don't appreciate true justice. When I come back in 2 weeks I'll be non stop reporting every player I encounter whether they are toxic or not and we will just see how the tribunal handles that little scenario. I will prove the tribunal is broken and I will make riot change it.

Erdrik2 votes

Your not the first person to try that, and you'll not be the last.

Ill warn you in advance. It won't work. Reports do not directly lead to punishment. They lead to reviews. And players that give false reports get flagged so their future reports have less "weight".

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

Who the hell does these "reviews" then because if i can get suspended for 14 days when i have no other punishments, something is very VERY wrong.

MeilinII1 votes

1: I'm not a mod. 2: If you report non-toxic players, your reports will be downgraded and then your valid reports might be ignored. False reports are thrown out and consistent false reports can result in a ban. But please, if you're that eager to get a perma, go ahead. 3: There is no tribunal anymore, it's the instant feedback system.

MeilinII4 votes

The issue is you not taking responsibility for your own actions. You keep getting banned because you never change.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

The issue is not me. If i cant defend myself and have faith that the person who violently verbally assaulted me will be punished no matter what then there is nothing to change because justice is not being served.

MeilinII6 votes

It is you, because you are being toxic back to them. You are both wrong, and if you both get reported you both get punished. Sounds like justice to me! [slayer-jinx-catface]

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

telling someone to fuck off, one time, is not toxic. telling someone ill report them if they dont stop saying things like "kill yourself etc" IS NOT TOXIC.

Erdrik3 votes

telling someone to fuck off, one time, is not toxic.

Its a minor thing, that in isolation would not get you into trouble. But if your doing it consistently over multiple games? Then you get into trouble.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

I got punished for one and only one game. This was not a constant thing. I didn't even receive a "negative attitude" warning. It was one single game that's what I'm trying to get through to you.

Twiggles3 votes

I'm going to take the time to quote everything in your chat log that is punishable as determined by the terms and conditions you agree to twice every single time the game is updated.

Angel999Apollyon: hi everyone, report riven for verbal abuse and stealing my lane call in pregame

Just a quick break to mention that this is THE FIRST THING that you typed into the chat. Asking others to report people is both pointless and inflammatory, and as such is considered a form of harassment. Riot's system counts reports on a "per game reported in" basis. Not per report sent. 1 report in a game is weighed the same as 9 in any given game.

Angel999Apollyon: leave my lane or get reported Angel999Apollyon: please remember to report for the ban on riven Angel999Apollyon: STOP SPAMMING PINGS GOD I HOPE YOU GET BANNED Angel999Apollyon: last warning, im posting this to the forums if you dont stop being toxic Angel999Apollyon: just because riven chose to go with a troll strategy we are losing we needed a jungle badly, not an idiot who thinks theyre awe Angel999Apollyon: people like riven deserve the perma ban
Angel999Apollyon: report cho goth for intentional feeding :( please :( Angel999Apollyon: get fucked cho

Most of your chat was doing nothing but bitching out your team, which shockingly enough doesn't ever do anything to remedy a situation.

Even if they were telling you to kill yourself, raging at them is not going to help. Your job is not to dole out justice. It is to bring injustice to the attention of those who CAN dole out justice. You have no need to verbally defend yourself against people you will never meet. You only need to mute them to avoid further problems with them (without going out of your way to tell them that you are muting them as that is simply taunting behavior) and then report them after the game. I'm not saying they should get away with such things, but that you are not the party capable of or responsible for taking them down.

It sucks that you were banned, but the facts are that contributing more negative behavior to a bad situation will never improve matters. If you had simply muted and reported, then you would be playing another round of League instead of posting this thread.

The other players' chat logs are completely irrelevant in judging your behavior. They said what they said, and you said what you said. They will be judged in their report cases just like you are being judged in yours. Had you simply muted and reported, there would not be a case against you to begin with.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

How exactly can I get a person banned then if it's just me reporting them, in that case (muting and reporting after) how is that actually justice man if its just one report?

Twiggles1 votes

I actually addressed this in my first post. Repeated below for convenience.:

Asking others to report people is both pointless and inflammatory, and as such is considered a form of harassment. Riot's system counts reports on a "per game reported in" basis. Not per report sent. 1 report in a game is weighed the same as 9 in any given game.

Essentially, one report in a game flags that game's chat for a review on the reported account. Any reports against one account beyond the first don't actually do anything since the first report already flagged the match. The system was designed this way in order to prevent grouped up teams of players from holding solo players hostage using the reporting system.

One report will get the same exact result as nine. Asking for more reports than your own is thus, pointless. I hope I answered your questions adequately here.

Angel999Apollyon1 votes

So, one report flags the entire players chat and further reports on the player do nothing because once it is reviewed by the automated system an automatic punishment is doled out and that's why I got punished as well as the person who told me to kill myself? Because they picked out like 2 or 3 lines of text? That's understandable if it's fully automated but if there is a peer review like I thought there was? then i think it should be different but if not, this still sucks.

Erdrik1 votes

Last I checked the peer review(Tribunal) has been down for .. 2 years now? I have been absent for sometime, so I don't know if there has been any updates on whether or not it is going to return.

I know Riot reviews Permas, I think they review 14 days, but Im not 100% on that.

Angel999Apollyon2 votes

It's whatever if they don't review it, I have plenty of other games to play I just saw this as a problem that needed to be addressed and explained. So thank you for all your time Erdrik and thank you Twiggles, meilinII shouldn't have posted anything, but you guys were very helpful so thank you.

Twiggles2 votes

I believe the 10 and 25 game chat restrictions are given by the automated system whereas the 14 day and permanent account bans are given to a Riot employee for review. Anything capable of earning a chat ban can result in a higher punishment if you've reached that tier.

Following is just a quick explanation of the tiers of punishment in case you were unaware.

1st tier: 10 game chat restriction. 2nd tier: 25 game chat restriction. 3rd tier: 14 day account suspension. 4th tier: Permanent account ban.

If you have already been at tier 2 in the past 3 months (the amount of time it takes without punishment to drop one tier) then the next infraction will land you at tier 3 regardless of severity.

There are occasions in which tiers 1 and 2 are skipped (like for confirmed intentional feeders and I think some hate speech). There are also occasions in which even tier 3 is skipped (like for death threats and particularly severe hate speech).

If you had been through tiers 1 and 2 in the past three months, then this 14 day suspension (tier 3) is the next logical step for your punishment.

If you have no prior punishments, then I would be surprised that this chat log got you put straight to tier 3. If that is the case, then it might have been simply the amount of times you repeated the same negative things. Alternatively, this punishment could also possibly include consideration for pre and post game chat (which is recorded with the rest for review, but not supplied to the player alongside the in-game chat logs).

Again, it sucks that you were suspended, but I hope I could at least help you understand the conditions under which it happened. You don't have to agree with the system, but you do have to abide by it if you want to continue to play this game. In three months, if you have not been banned permanently in the time, your punishment scale will drop by one tier. Three months after that, and it will be down to tier 1. Three months after that, you will be considered reformed by the punishment system. Just remember that no amount of trolling and verbal abuse is worth the risk that retaliation entails. Just mute, report if need be, and don't bother telling the offenders when you do. Let them be at the system's mercy rather than yourself.

I wish you the best of luck.

MeilinII1 votes

FYI all 4 levels are automated. That's why it's called the 'INSTANT feedback system". It punishes all four levels in about 15 minutes, on average.

Twiggles1 votes

Really? All of it is automated? I could have sworn that at least tier 4 was sent to a Rioter for review...

MeilinII1 votes

Not according to the FAQ on their support site. The system doesn't make mistakes basically ever, so there's no need.

Twiggles2 votes

I'm not entirely convinced. I just checked the support site and they never really get into those particular details. I think I'll try making an @Riot thread about it or asking an Arbiter or something. I just want to be absolutely sure I'm giving people the correct information.

MeilinII1 votes

Can't hurt. I always go by this part of the Instant Feedback FAQ, as it implies that the entire system is instant:

HOW DO PUNISHMENTS WORK? Players who are found to be causing a negative game experience are then punished** within 15 minutes of the games end.**

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH: First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction Third Offense: Two Week Suspension Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

Twiggles2 votes

Well, I made the @Riot thread. Not that I don't believe you or anything. I just want to be 100% sure. The wording on the support site was a bit vague about that exact detail for my liking. Have a nice evening. :)

Erdrik1 votes

Can you point out where it says that? Ive not been able to find it in the FAQ.

It mentions:

Players who are found to be causing a negative game experience are then punished within 15 minutes...

But it doesn't say it takes 15 minutes to do the review(only 15 AFTER guilt has been determined), and I can't find anything on the page that mentions an automated process...

MeilinII1 votes

My understanding is that it's "INSTANT" Feedback via automated system and the system reviews in under 15 minutes. I hope Twiggles thread gets a blue or red response.

Erdrik1 votes

Well yes, but its important to determine where the instant is.

If it is instant after judgement has been determined then the instant has no bearing on the actual judging process. It just means feedback of the final judgement is 'instantly' delivered to the player.

Riot reviewing manually only becomes unlikely if the 'instant' is referring to before judgement has been determined, thus implying the judgement itself is 'instant'.

To me, the FAQ does not imply it is before.

Erdrik1 votes

Reports do not directly lead to punishment. They lead to reviews. So 1 report or 9 does not matter. Just 1 is enough to flag the game in the system. Once enough games are flagged, then a random selection of that set of games is selected for review.

If the review of the games reveals a punishable offense? Bam. Punishment.

Angel999Apollyon3 votes

Gotcha, then I will still report people when I come back just all the report-able ones. Because if I only report the people who have been toxic without me being toxic I will actually succeed in making league a better place since the system probably wont change.

Erdrik1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Angel999Apollyon2 votes

but this is probably the best post yet to explain the situation even if i don't agree with it.

FrankerX2 votes

press enter pls lol

Angel999Apollyon2 votes

enter

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