I'm quite upset , I DID NOT DESERVE this 10 game chat restriction

Lacuni·May 15, 2019·2 votes·2,403 views

Mind you, I have been recently perma banned, yes, I was toxic and deserved it.

When I made this new account I came across a match with a toxic Yi player, who I did not be toxic with or cuss at, just responses here and there. I reported him and another player after the match.

This Yi gave up about 6/7 minutes, collected herald just to waste it, typed in all chat "gg" I kid you not about 15 times, and went afk jungling the entire match. He also dc'd around 30 something minutes, was just talking a storm calling me bad and such

Whether you like my attitude or agree with what I say or not, I did NOT deserve a chat restriction, and I'd be amazed if this yi was not banned. Along with an adc who told me to kms and despised me for being 2/12 or something like that, I also reported, be upset if he wasn't banned, "I was 2/12 but it was a 40 something minute game tells you that I wasn't "useless", AND NOW I HAVE MY HONOR LEVEL DROPPED FOR THIS.

I received a 10 chat restriction for the following,

Game 1 Pre-Game EndlessMalady: top EndlessMalady: top EndlessMalady: top EndlessMalady: top EndlessMalady: top EndlessMalady: support then gecko EndlessMalady: yi In-Game EndlessMalady: ye EndlessMalady: so balanced EndlessMalady: can you gank EndlessMalady: me EndlessMalady: anyday EndlessMalady: ? EndlessMalady: i did EndlessMalady: we got garen EndlessMalady: nice EndlessMalady: we are winning EndlessMalady: lol EndlessMalady: got invaded and is crying EndlessMalady: at least udyr ganks .-. EndlessMalady: might as well surrender EndlessMalady: since yi doesn't care for our winning game anymore EndlessMalady: LOL what EndlessMalady: ludens is the only build EndlessMalady: reported EndlessMalady: yea EndlessMalady: he also ganks EndlessMalady: makes him scarier EndlessMalady: why would I not build garen EndlessMalady: ? EndlessMalady: build ludens EndlessMalady: Ludens is a core item on sylas EndlessMalady: are you on crack EndlessMalady: especally since his nerfs EndlessMalady: yes EndlessMalady: top, mid EndlessMalady: still a core item EndlessMalady: reported EndlessMalady: gets toxic at me but he doesn't get upset with the yi thats saying gg and not ganking EndlessMalady: this yi is trolling EndlessMalady: .-. EndlessMalady: report him please EndlessMalady: hes still jungling EndlessMalady: I do I voted yes EndlessMalady: but you're throwing EndlessMalady: I am trying EndlessMalady: you've been done EndlessMalady: since 6 minutes EndlessMalady: you went afk in jungle EndlessMalady: reported EndlessMalady: yi no one cares EndlessMalady: yolo EndlessMalady: this top got baron EndlessMalady: i made the call EndlessMalady: thats why hes complaining EndlessMalady: we have no yi anyways EndlessMalady: gg all EndlessMalady: why EndlessMalady: i thought we lost cause of me kog? EndlessMalady: reported EndlessMalady: LOL EndlessMalady: w totally lost EndlessMalady: we totally EndlessMalady: gg EndlessMalady: if oru yi was her EndlessMalady: here EndlessMalady: we woulda won EndlessMalady: l EndlessMalady: lol EndlessMalady: why you mad at me EndlessMalady: and not yi EndlessMalady: thats od EndlessMalady: no sue? EndlessMalady: use? EndlessMalady: lol Post-Game EndlessMalady: gg EndlessMalady: even tho kog and yi toxic EndlessMalady: how EndlessMalady: you were like EndlessMalady: beyond useless yi EndlessMalady: you were afk EndlessMalady: and gg at 6 minutes EndlessMalady: ikr EndlessMalady: if we had yi EndlessMalady: we woulda won EndlessMalady: how EndlessMalady: was I useless EndlessMalady: the whole game EndlessMalady: my cc? EndlessMalady: hes telling me to kms EndlessMalady: but not yi EndlessMalady: didnt even talk to em once EndlessMalady: she was EndlessMalady: enjoy your report

I truly held myself from cussing, not even once. But how do I get a chat restriction for this? I didn't do anything like I explained the yi did, he was completely toxic. Completely, and trolling and afk, talking to enemies, telling me I suck, the adc telling me to kms and stfu, but this is what I get? for being at least decently controlled? I bet you that YI wasn't even punished and that kogmaw... It's depressing I don't actually be toxic on a fresh account and now have to be punished

32 Comments

rujitraMay 15, 20197 votes

Cursing is not prohibited.

Having a negative attitude, giving up, "go next" sort of attitudes, and continually berating people for their performance are.

You had a permanent ban, and restrictions before that. Those were your chances to learn. You are refusing to learn - you're assuming the rules are "don't curse or directly call people names/insults". I encourage you to go re-read the Summoner's Code.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

I'm amazed you tell me cursing is not prohibited, and then go on to say having a negative attitude is when they went hand in hand

I didn't give up either? I said "gg" because we had just got aced or something and it was funny, the udyr chopped us in half

Also, I did not berate anyone for their performance, except yi because it truly made 100% sense, I berated the yi for trolling, going afk and DC, giving up at 6 minutes and going afk in the jungle, and saying "gg" 15 times in all chat as he told the enemies "end plz" as I was told to kill myself, and shut the f*ck up constantly and told I was bad, but I guess that's ok with you guys? I guess it's normal to never look into situations and let the toxic guys get away :)

rujitraMay 15, 20195 votes

You're a loser. You're an idiot. You suck at everything. You should just uninstall.

Negative attitude, right? No cursing there.

Damn, that was a fucking nice play. Holy shit that was good. Holy shit she's fed, we should watch for her. I got my ass kicked there.

Cursing, but not negativity.

They do not go hand and hand. It is not "funny" to give up. Saying "good game" before the game is over is negative and a "defeatist" attitude. That is not acceptable in League.

It does not matter who you are berating - it is not acceptable. You are not permitted to break the rules period. Full stop. It does not matter that "X is doing Y" or that you're frustrated. There is no exception to the rules.

Other players' toxicity is punishable but it does not make yours okay. It is fully possible for both you and the other player to be in violation of the rules and neither of you is okay.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

My jaw is wide open right now.

You're telling me that cursing and negativity don't go hand in hand, in the event and situation that I was told "Kill yourself." "Shut the f*ck up." and more.

And now you're telling me that because I said gg once, as a joke, which apparently isn't allowed, is punishable

But this yi said it literally 15 times in all chat, and asked for the enemy to end, and told me I was trash and garbage

My behavior wasn't toxic, it was just a normal person, that kept their cool as much as they could, but I'm sure these two that abused me got away scot free did't they? Because no one cares about that point that I put in my post

What a joke, you might as well remove the chat completely if this is how it works and runs,

Even if you guys are too much of babies to punish REAL toxicity, and I can't get out of this, did those two get out if it or not?

rujitraMay 15, 20196 votes

You were not punished for their behavior. You were punished for your behavior. Their behavior, their punishment. Your behavior, your punishment. If both of you misbehaved, both of you get punished. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand here.

You were not a "normal person". Normal people don't get a single chat restriction. Much less than 1% of people ever get permanently banned. You. Are. Not. Normal. This. Is. Not. The. Norm.

Your behavior was toxic, and until you accept that, you will keep getting punished.

Further, Riot is not going to give you information on other accounts' punishments - because it fosters the toxic attitude you have of "they MUST get punished so I can feel good about myself for getting them punished".

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

I was a normal person? Anyone can see that, post a poll, after what I was put to deal with and tolerate, being abused and treated like garbage, and I BARELY was toxic in response, BARELY.

And now you're telling me RIOT won't give me information because I bet they got away with it. I want the information to know justice was served. Riot obviously punishes me for this, I would expect the yi and kog got a ban. Or did they?

rujitraMay 15, 20195 votes

If you think a poll would show you're a normal person, I encourage you to post a poll and see just how wrong you are. I look forward to you admitting you're wrong when you prove yourself wrong.

It's not barely. You flamed/blamed virtually the whole game, as well as gave up. Barely toxic is something like "you're an idiot" after a bad play - and that's not punished. You were not "barely" toxic, you were full on toxic.

I'm telling you Riot won't give you information because Riot is not going to feed your selfish, egocentric, stalking, harassing, and toxic attitude by doing so. YOU are the problem. YOU need to fix yourself. Not worry about other people.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

How was all of that full on toxic...

I literally was nowhere near full on toxic

Did you not here what the Yi and kogmaw did? That's full on toxic...

Shows you guys have no clue what true toxicity is

Why don't we get in game messages when our report punishes someone anymore? Cause they get away with it, you're just defending them because the truth is they probably got scot free, and no justice will be served, they'll continue to go afk, tell people to kill themselves, and more.

rujitraMay 15, 20193 votes

Again, it is fully possible for both you, the yi, and the kogmaw to have been full on toxic.

Toxicity is not ranked. You are either toxic, or you are not. If you are toxic, you get punished. Period. It is not some "survival of the fittest" here. The "least toxic" player does not necessarily avoid punishment, and the "most toxic" player does not necessarily get punished. People who are toxic get punished. People who are not toxic do not get punished.

You do not get in game messages anymore likely because your toxic attitude causes you to report many more people than deserve it, meaning not only are your reports not resulting in punishments (people will not get punished just because you reported them) but also, Riot used to not send feedback to people who habitually made false reports. Alternatively, you could just be ignoring the fact you're getting them - people like you tend to have confirmation bias - you believe they're not getting punished, so your subconscious is ignoring the fact that you got a feedback report.

You have no clue what the truth is, and the fact you are claiming these things that are nowhere near fact tells me that not only have you not reformed, but we're likely to see you back here in a week complaining about another 14 day ban, and then a couple weeks later complaining about a permanent ban.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

Ok, let's say I was punished rightfully, ( I wasn't but lets say), Why can't I be confirmed they got their rightful punishment that I put up with? I sent the report, what does it matter?

Also, you are the one who put the toxicity on a scale, you told me I was "Full on toxic." and "Not normal."

rujitraMay 15, 20192 votes

Further, Riot is not going to give you information on other accounts' punishments - because it fosters the toxic attitude you have of "they MUST get punished so I can feel good about myself for getting them punished".

I'm telling you Riot won't give you information because Riot is not going to feed your selfish, egocentric, stalking, harassing, and toxic attitude by doing so.

Two of my responses to this very thread. I'm not sure if you're just not reading my replies or what, but it's clear you have no intention of actually discussing this and all you want to do is have the quick and final word and be right. Please make another thread if/when you're willing to discuss and accept you're wrong, otherwise there's a rant board for your rants.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

I already posted the poll,

rujitraMay 15, 20193 votes

While I believe your poll is misleading (something being "justified" does not mean it is normal), the response so far has been overwhelmingly that your behavior was not acceptable.

As an example of how your poll is misleading, something may be deemed justifiable but still not be the normal human response to something. As an example, opening an emergency exit on a plane after the flight attendants told you to remain seated and wait for instructions would not be the normal response - but if you thought you had seen fire outside the window from the engine, it may be a perfectly justifiable response.

KFCeytronMay 15, 20191 votes

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While I believe your poll is misleading (something being "justified" does not mean it is normal), the response so far has been overwhelmingly that your behavior was not acceptable.

As an example of how your poll is misleading, something may be deemed justifiable but still not be the normal human response to something. As an example, opening an emergency exit on a plane after the flight attendants told you to remain seated and wait for instructions would not be the normal response - but if you thought you had seen fire outside the window from the engine, it may be a perfectly justifiable response.

I read the poll question as "was my behavior justified," but I think some people are responding to whether the punishment was justified.

rujitraMay 15, 20193 votes

I was about to come edit this in, as I just saw your comment.

The poll is unclear, and misleading. The OP clearly has no desire to actually take this seriously and is still trying to "win".

GatekeeperTDSMay 15, 20191 votes

Riot is never going to discuss another player, their account standing, or their punishments with anyone but that player. If you ask support to investigate someone, all they're going to tell you is that they'll look into it. You do not have the right to information regarding anyone else's account, nor do they have any right to yours. Your punishment is yours, their punishment is theirs.

Jhins GirlfriendMay 15, 20191 votes

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How was all of that full on toxic...

I literally was nowhere near full on toxic

Did you not here what the Yi and kogmaw did? That's full on toxic...

Shows you guys have no clue what true toxicity is

Why don't we get in game messages when our report punishes someone anymore? Cause they get away with it, you're just defending them because the truth is they probably got scot free, and no justice will be served, they'll continue to go afk, tell people to kill themselves, and more.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Did you think typing at them and berating them all game was gonna make them suddently not want to troll? You're also just pulling the "they didn't get punished" thing out of nowhere, you don't know what happened to them.

TziMay 15, 20195 votes

board mod is right. Your behavior is not normal.

Two days ago I played a game and didn’t play well in the beginning. We got counter picked and my thresh has odd engages as well as failed ganks/roams from mid and jog. I actually only died twice in lane but ended up with eight deaths toward the end. The Pantheon on my team was extremely toxic. I typed I was going to mute him and but did not because I was recording my game and his chat. For the remainder of the game, roughly 40-something minutes, he complained. Kept trying to tell me what to build, where to go, spam pinged me when i was trying to farm my cull as I was about 50 farm behind the enemy Sivir. Told me to stop farming and group instead of shooting cross-map ultimates even though they were hitting and resulting in kills AND I got to continue farming. He only picked out the bad and never the good even though I was playing quite well post lane, I was just behind and playing like I was (playing safe, positioning extremely safe and focusing farming above all). He even got our Jax and Sylass to flame me a little.

Do you think I said anything? Do you think that I “defended” myself and told him to shut the fuck up, let him know that he’s no better and half of his calls were bad? No. I typed probably 7 times that game. A few to tell Thresh we shouldn’t engage because Sivir had more damage than me, once to explain to Panth in his early stages of flaming that I was 50 farm behind and still had like 60 stacks on Cull and then again to tell Panth I’d be muting him and later his pings because he kept going. I NEVER typed anything else after about 15 minutes except ggwp when we won and the whole game was about 45 minutes I think.

Your behavior is NOT normal and it should not be the norm. It takes 0 effort to let people shit talk themselves to death because my case is a prime example of that. I NEVER flamed him back, I never said anything at all and he STILL kept talking about me and trying to get the team to turn on me for a full 30 minutes and died like twice getting caught out typing. Let people say what they need and play the game. You won’t see them again and no about of “dignity points” in defending yourself is worth losing the time, effort, money, and friends all invested into your account.

KFCeytronMay 15, 20197 votes

Announcing reports and calling for reports are considered harassment, and they don't even make the player you're targeting any more likely to be punished, because a single report triggers a review. You did this not just once but a total of six times. You also insulted Sylas's build and suggested that he was on crack for daring to disobey your direct orders. Overall, you spent the entire time arguing with your team and berating them in various ways.

Your last account was permabanned because Riot determined that your behavior would not improve. It appears that they were right.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

I was Sylas, and I didn't berate anyone in an unreasonable way. I was being told "wtf why you building ludens against garen" And I was explaining that ludens is a good core item

KFCeytronMay 15, 20195 votes

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I was Sylas, and I didn't berate anyone in an unreasonable way. I was being told "wtf why you building ludens against garen" And I was explaining that ludens is a good core item

Okay, you were asking someone if they were on crack for questioning your build. Is that any better? Did it help the situation?

"I didn't berate anyone in an unreasonable way" - are you implying that you berated your team in a reasonable way?

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

No it wasn't necessary to say that, obviously, but I did, doesn't mean I deserve to be punished? If a child was bullying your child, and your child told you he told the other child to stfu, would you punish him?

I'm applying I berated my team "as seen at the end of game." With complete reasonable frustration in response to the Yi telling me im trash and more. Especially after what he did to us

KFCeytronMay 15, 20193 votes

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No it wasn't necessary to say that, obviously, but I did, doesn't mean I deserve to be punished? If a child was bullying your child, and your child told you he told the other child to stfu, would you punish him?

I'm applying I berated my team "as seen at the end of game." With complete reasonable frustration in response to the Yi telling me im trash and more. Especially after what he did to us

Yes, I would admonish my child for being rude to someone who wasn't hurting him or her and could be completely blocked with the push of a button.

But Riot isn't your dad. They're a business that's trying to keep toxic players out of their online service so that paying customers don't leave.

By the way, I noticed that you keep bringing up what someone else did even though no actions other than yours matter in your punishment, because it's based entirely on those actions. But I'm a fair-minded kind of guy, so I'll tell you what: if that Yi player comes on here, describes his behavior, and asks if it's acceptable, I'll tell him that it most certainly isn't, and he should expect a punishment if he makes a habit out of it. For now, though, the topic is your punishment, so no one else's behavior is relevant to the conversation.

LacuniMay 15, 20191 votes

Admirable, but I'm not attempting to dodge my actions, it's just a joke really, because I truly wasn't toxic at heart, I had to deal with it, and I truly feel they got off scot free. But I understand

KFCeytronMay 15, 20193 votes

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Admirable, but I'm not attempting to dodge my actions, it's just a joke really, because I truly wasn't toxic at heart, I had to deal with it, and I truly feel they got off scot free. But I understand

Riot doesn't know what's in your heart. They know what you wrote in chat. The things you wrote in chat were toxic. And it sounds like you are trying to dodge the consequences of that, with a title that claims you didn't deserve a punishment and several responses that deny wrongdoing (even though we can see that wrongdoing in the log you posted).

The way you're going, you will eventually have a second permabanned account.

rujitraMay 15, 20194 votes

Your heart and "true feelings" do not matter - your actions and the truth do.

Further, I encourage you to research communication skills - it's not what you say, it's what the person reading/hearing/whatever interprets it as.

As an example, I can tell you "asdf 4g8 ooogqafds0943 gasdfg" and you'd interpret it as nonsense. If I had intended to convey the message "Let's get dinner tonight", it's my failure as the sender to not communicate it in a way the receiver (you) could understand. Likewise, if I wanted to say k.y.s to, say, my best friend who speaks Dutch, it's reasonable for me to assume they will interpret it as "kiss" (love, etc). However, if I say it to a stranger, especially in a video game, it's only reasonable to assume they will interpret it as me telling them to commit suicide. The situation affects the message and its interpretation.

TLDR: While you may not have intended to be toxic, that's how it comes across both to uninvolved people here on the boards and your teammates in games. The fault is on you for not ensuring your messages are interpreted correctly. If you don't mean to be toxic, then you need to ensure you are not doing things that will be interpreted as toxic.

Kei143May 15, 20191 votes

The system punishes based on consistency x severity. Meaning you can be punished for 1game of extreme toxicity or many games of mild toxicity.

Most report callers don't know that asking for reports is considered harassment, so they do it oftenly and that mild toxicity accumulates. On top of asking for reports, you also accused of yi for trolling, had a negative attitude. All this combined eventually gets them punished.

deathgod5May 15, 20191 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports the calling for report thing isn't reportable, it might be in this context, but overall it is not.

ModPeriscopeMay 15, 20195 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports the calling for report thing isn't reportable, it might be in this context, but overall it is not.

I feel like I have to reread the same thread every time this comes up.

Bottom line, singular instances are highly unlikely to be considered negative or get you punished.

Making "Report Yi" constantly, or as part of an effort to harass or insult another player, can contribute to a punishment.

Their support site

Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.

rujitraMay 15, 20192 votes

One addition to Periscope's very good message:

It is fully possible for a punishment to be merited when the only negative behavior is report calling/harassment, even if there's no other insults/negativity in the chat logs. The bar is quite high for that so it's very unlikely, plus most players who are harassing others and report calling are also being toxic in other ways.

SyrileMay 15, 20192 votes

Also, to be fair, a poll on here is a waste of time. Buuuuuuuuut, you really have nothing to complain about when you are asking if they are "on crack" or typing continuously throughout the game. Honestly, I would say this is less toxic in the traditional sense (other than a few comments) and more that you are actively hindering your team by spending more time typing than you are fighting.

SyrileMay 15, 20191 votes

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