Are permamently banned people ever getting one more chance?

Glacal·Oct 13, 2016·14 votes·2,241 views

Hello there,

a couple of my friends have been permamently suspended due to toxicity, and they regret it. I've been wondering if riot will actually give them one more chance in the future so those who improved themselves could play once again on their lost accounts(Some of them lost a lot of money aswell) .

I know "permamently suspended" has got just one meaning, but I remember one day riot actually removed the "Ranked restrictions" or something, I don't really remember what was the reason behind it though.

Some of my friends started their new account and they haven't received any more restrictions, but a little of them got banned again.

I guess a lot of banned people actually regret their behaviour and would love to be given one more chance someday.

If you, dear riot, are planning anything - that'd be nice if you could give us any informations about it.

Have a good day buddies!

54 Comments

ZombiemasterOct 13, 201615 votes

Riot had tried something like this in the past, but it didn't work out too well. Players who had their accounts permanently banned had a chance to get those accounts back if they could level a new account to 20 without being toxic. The success rate was very close to 0%, with the players not changing their behavior even with their accounts hanging in the balance, so Riot stopped doing this.

As has already been stated, with the current system, players are already given multiple chances to reform their behavior. They are also informed when they receive a 2 week ban that their next punishment will be a permanent ban. Now, for some people, the other chances may not be enough, and having their accounts actually be permanently banned is what it takes for them to realize they need to change their behavior. It's unfortunate that this is the case, however, sometimes that's just what needs to happen. If they do change their behavior, great, their welcome to continue playing on a new account, but there is currently no way for them to get their banned account back, and Riot currently has no plans on allowing them to try and earn it back.

GlacalOct 13, 20164 votes

I guess a solution could be allowing a permbann for int feeding or griefing games on purpose, but for simply being toxic in-game chat there should be a permament restriction or something.

If players who were restricted tended to take it off by feeding or doing other stupid stuff - they'd be permamently banned for doing that.

Although, my opinion about permbans just for being an asshole on chat isn't the right thing.

Some people simply can't control it and they regret what they said even before in the middle of the game.

GlacalOct 13, 20161 votes

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Angry MonsterOct 13, 20161 votes

and they should not be playing the game.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20165 votes

People who are toxic in chat don't deserve to play the game.

GlacalOct 13, 20165 votes

I would rather have an asshole flaming me for stupid things, who I can simply mute, but actually trying to win this game at his best, instead of a guy who goes 0/1 says "woops unlucky game guys" and gives up opening mid or just leaving the game.

Be honest with me, most of the people would prefer the first option.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20166 votes

Neither of them deserve to play.

GlacalOct 13, 20163 votes

The 2nd kind of players aren't getting punished, except for leaver buster eventually. Sadly, that's how the current system works.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20167 votes

The second type does still get punished, it's just harder to catch. The first type still deserves any and all punishments they get.

3tysonOct 14, 20163 votes

i do think a second chance might be good for people but this should be something youd get afther a long time like 6months or a year just cause i feel bad for people who got over reacted to might have said fuck you as a joke and got banned for it, or got bullied into becoming toxic like having tahm purposely put you into turret a few times in a ranked game

but other than that i agree its oke to be bad but there is no excuse to herass your team mates if you do so you dont deserve to play the game

BladeSteelOct 15, 20163 votes

They get 4 chances though....

3tysonOct 15, 20162 votes

lol that should be enough i never really got banned do im not that familiar with the way it works

i agree everyone deserves a second chance

not a fifth one

im not sure how big the chances are people that dont deserve it get banned 4times in a row

BladeSteelOct 15, 20162 votes

It goes chat restriction, chat restiction, 2 week ban, perma ban. Those are the "four chances" a person gets.

3tysonOct 15, 20162 votes

id probertly add 2 longer bans in there before perm banning people but hey im not riot

BladeSteelOct 15, 20161 votes

eh, each punishment level tells them to stop. Tells them that if they don't stop they'll be banned. They had 4 chances lol, they don't need 6.

3tysonOct 16, 20161 votes

its not about 6 chances its about their sad faces when they dont get to play leage of legends for 3 months and than 6

while stil feelimg the hope of ever playing on their accounts

ZombiemasterOct 13, 20167 votes

Riot had already tried something similar to permanent chat restriction where they just had chat restrictions pile up constantly. Some players got to the point where they had a few thousand games of chat restrictions. When they did this, a large majority of these players tended to switch to other forms of toxic behavior when they couldn't use chat any longer. You could argue that Riot should permanently ban players only once they do this, but in the long run, that's just giving players who are toxic in chat more chances before their permanent ban.

With the current punishment tiers, Riot has found that those who reach the permanent ban step have shown that they have no intention of changing their behavior, which is why Riot permanently bans them. They don't want that kind of behavior in their game, and if the player isn't showing any intention of changing it, then Riot does not want them playing their game.

As for people not being able to control what they say through chat, it is my belief that they can, though it is harder for some than for others. However, I'm not going to sit here and argue whether people can or cannot control it. Instead, I will say that for those who can't control it (or those who have a very difficult time doing so), there are options to help you. You can mute others so you can't see what they say, therefore not being able to respond negatively to it. You can minimize the chat or even move it off screen so that the chat doesn't bother you. There are other things as well, but my point is, there are actions you can take to help lower your toxicity in chat before you reach a permanent ban.

Ben SharpioOct 13, 20161 votes

players are already given multiple chances to reform their behavior

This is true, past getting multiple chat restrictions on my account, i've been temp banned twice so they DO give you a LOT of chances to reform.

3tysonOct 13, 20161 votes

i dont understand did they really all not use mute all ?

AstôlfoOct 13, 20166 votes

They don't deserve it. They already had multiple chances and warnings.

Timethief49Oct 13, 20163 votes

They can create a new account, but they wont ever get the banned one back. They have either multiple chances with chat restrictions and even a 2 week ban or they were so extremly toxic/racist/homophoic, that they dont deserve another chance

GlacalOct 13, 20163 votes

To be honest, it's not really hard to receive multiple of chat restrictions, it's enough to have a worse day and be a little of mean in 3 games in a row - that's enough. 2-3 days in a row and you might already receive 2 weeks ban. That's not really hard, that's what most of them told me - and I've recently been watching the player behavior - it seems like not just my friends have got troubles with the system.

Also they can create a new account - but they aren't ever gonna get their skins back unless they pay a lot of money again for basically the same content they had before.

Kei143Oct 13, 20162 votes

its actually pretty hard to get a restriction for most people.

Your buddies just need to stick to gameplay chat.

Timethief49Oct 13, 20163 votes

I played since pre season 4 havent recieved one yet. To the skin part they broke their Toys by using them the wrong Way so they have to buy it again.

Angry MonsterOct 13, 20162 votes

tell they to use a voip and bitch to each other on that.

WeatheredOct 13, 20163 votes

You are already given tons of warnings prior to a perm ban. If it took you that long to realize the consequences I don't think you deserve more chances.

DuoQOct 14, 20163 votes

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Hello there,

a couple of my friends have been permamently suspended due to toxicity, and they regret it. I've been wondering if riot will actually give them one more chance in the future so those who improved themselves could play once again on their lost accounts(Some of them lost a lot of money aswell) .

I know "permamently suspended" has got just one meaning, but I remember one day riot actually removed the "Ranked restrictions" or something, I don't really remember what was the reason behind it though.

Some of my friends started their new account and they haven't received any more restrictions, but a little of them got banned again.

I guess a lot of banned people actually regret their behaviour and would love to be given one more chance someday.

If you, dear riot, are planning anything - that'd be nice if you could give us any informations about it.

Have a good day buddies!

Of course you're going to regret your behavior AFTER being punished. Permanent bans are usually from people being really toxic, for example... death threats (even if they were just said in anger), intentional feeding, racism... you get the idea.

If people would just chillax and enjoy the game, without it being at the expense of someone else's experience, this forum section wouldn't even exsist.

GlacalOct 14, 20161 votes

You're being wrong, I sawthe chat messages of a couple of my friends and they were caused of anger, as they had an important game and they cared - tried to do everything they could and still lost.

For example, a guy who stood afk on the spawn on purpose, got called "you're a fucking trash to stay afk on the base without actually trying to win when we haven't even lost yet." ofc, that's not right, but is that kind of behaviour really worth of a permaban?

Another example was when I saw that my friend actually said "why did you pick blitz" his only excuse was "cuz we can grab thresh and burst him!!" so he just ignored it and thought it was a joke, then he did that and actually expected it to work, after grabbing thresh my friend <who was a jinx adc> died obviously, and blitzcrank blamed HIM for that, so he just simply wrote "ok this trash blitzcrank told me it was my fault im done finish this fucking game" as he was angry af.

it's not the right behaviour, but caused by the others stuff aswell, its not like someone is toxic just because "Why not". I was actually at his house in that moment, and I even saw enemies replying "I will report you blitzcrank, I feel bad for this jinx" on the all chat to blitzcrank spamming "report jinx, she's toxic". but well.

Reformed NewbieOct 14, 20161 votes

You know, I agree with your posts and such as of others too but in my opinion I understand how you and your friends feel. I have been perm banned what? Like 7 or 8 times now and lost A LOT.. I mean A LOT of money.. But let's be honest here, riot doesn't give a damn, they just care about them getting money and making money off skins and etc.. I still fail to see why I still even play this game or even use money on it honestly.. But at the same time your post here makes sense because I have had many games also where I'm minding my own business and such and I main jungle so when I go to help a lane and die etc.. I get blamed and etc and flamed on and of course I somewhat if not all retaliate.. Because they didn't even bother to help or react to the gank so I died.. And I get blamed for that? Nowadays when that happens I just stop helping that lane if no reaction or flamed at..

I've had many games where people rage for no reason because picks or roles or even just having a bad game/day.. and honestly when you're already tilted or having a bad game/day and someone trash talks you for it.. Yeah you better bet that it's going to get some flame back. These people are adding fuel to the fire and such and no one gives a damn because it's online. Literally the ONLY players from what I've seen and experience so far that plays for themselves in a good/fun way is high elo players or pro players. Even then they flame from time to time, if not in game then outloud. That doesn't mean they are or aren't toxic though let's be honest..

I feel like, and am sure enough that riot's banning system has many flaws.. I've even made a post about this before but who knows where it's at.. They look at who gets reported the most honestly and not really caring for what was said in game and such or happened because they have no way to review the game (From my knowledge and assumption) and go by chat logs. This is a MAJOR flaw because you can be looking at one player who had a bad game and people flamed him/her for that game and same as the next and s/he types out more rage than anyone else, whose going to get punished? Him/Her or the people raging at them? The tilted person will. You have that one person get hate because doing consistently bad or so and reported consistently because getting lashed out at, compared to the people fueling the fire.. How is this fair to them? It makes them not want to play the game or even recommend it to others also.

But I can go on and on about my reason and thought behind this but it'll fill the whole page and even riot's employee's won't give a crap about it so no point.. The best we can do is hope someone new gets hired at riot and has a better or at least smart set of mind for this kind of thing and take some kind of action against it. Or even make/get a better report system.. Thanks for reading.

GlacalOct 14, 20161 votes

You're right though, even when YOU are reading the chat logs you have been banned for - you can see that behaviour. The only reason between you and someone who just reads the logs is that you actually know what is behind those messages.

I don't think that's common you just start flaming someone for doing bad, mostly like for them blaming yo ufor playing bad, pinging or not helping you on purpose. I've had many behaviours like thresh not wanting to give me a damn lantern just because I died 3 times or something. That's quite annoying.

Let's be honest here, I'm hoping for riot to change their minds toward the 'toxic' players as the number of 0.006% is SURELY not the right one, if we counted up all active players without smurf accounts - they amount of permbans would be about 15%, and ever restricted people about 45%.

There are 2 kinds of people. Some of them simply play this game casually and don't talk much on chat, and the other kind just cares about the game, as that might be their only one hoppy, for some an escape from the real life they aren't doing fine. They are simply gonna care about their game, their rank, and while they were trying for example a week to get this damn promo, and someone literally doesn't let you win it - you are getting tilted and that keeps going till the end of the day.

Meh.

Reformed NewbieOct 19, 20161 votes

Yeah that's what I hate about it, the logs only shows what YOU said overall and not all the chat that happened in game, especially if the flame was coming from another player specifically. But the problem also is that a lot of people can't handle some kind of criticism or even "advice" as I'd call it. Like for ex: when asking someone to play safe and just farm up, you get considered to be "toxic" when you're clearly just trying to give advice or even help. No one wants to listen and when you question or even comment on their playstyle, they call you toxic. It's beyond stupid, like no it's not toxic, it's called trying to give you some damn advice so you don't feed the hell out of your laner and any others so the game doesn't become completely one sided. But nahh, people don't think about that when it's common sense. Just you "flaming" and being "toxic"

Also yeah, when getting banned and such they say it's 0.006% when CLEARLY it's not THAT little, at least not anymore that are toxic. Just because someone doesn't get reported as much or often as another player doesn't, doesn't mean that they aren't toxic. Just that other people don't report someone who doesn't talk as much. Like I can question someone's gameplay, and they respond with "STFU" and report me, and then I go to question/comment someone else or so, then that person reports me also. Then boom, there you go, I'm labeled as toxic/a flamer. How stupid is that.

Riot needs to have someone who KNOWS how to use common sense or even their brain to just look at these chat logs/reports and not just ONE side of the story and punish one person. Because if it was up to me and it was my job, I'd listen to both stories and look at what was said throughout the game, not just who typed more or swore more etc. But like stated before and again, they don't give a damn. Only the money they make because they'll keep making money even though someone gets banned permanently, most likely that player will make and start a new account and end up using money again to get RP. The cycle continues. Zzzzz

Pantheon ForeverOct 13, 20162 votes

Years ago they did allow a second chance to players who made an account and got to level 20 without incident, but then almost immediately after receiving their main accounts back 95% immediately reverted to their old ways and were punished again. The experiment was stopped, labeled as a failure, and was not seriously considered again.

Unfortunately now playing from level 1-29 is the most frustrating environment of the game filled with mostly bots, recently banned players raging for revenge, and noobs who are rightfully clueless.

GlacalOct 13, 20161 votes

Well I guess permament still isn't the thing. It should be like half year, then a year etc. This'd allow people to play on their main accs but if they tended to behave inappropriately - they'd be punished again for a long long time.

Reformed NewbieOct 19, 20161 votes

Holy sh*t yes I agree with you! Low leveling is such aids because all game modes has some type of bot grinder and mostly used to sell the account later on. I've had AI games and even ARAM games where it's CLEARLY a bot playing because of the way they move and the items built. It's ridiculous and stupid! And quite honestly low levels, no one really reports unless you're "toxic". Like I could be flaming and raging about having a bot constantly feeding on my team and honestly.... I would be the one to get reported even though the bot ruined the game by feeding the hell out of the other team. Had it in AI, had it in ARAM. And seems like nothing is or can be done about it. GF rito.

VictoriousBardOct 14, 20162 votes

Saying that it "isn't that hard to get chat restricted" is a load of crap. I've been playing this game for more than 6 years at this point and I've never even been warned about such things, let alone actually chat restricted.

GemCrashOct 14, 20162 votes

They are given chances and they wasted their chances repeatedly, that's why they are not getting more. Every permanent ban has walked through at least 3 temporary bans irrc.

BasedNerdOct 15, 20162 votes

Heya. Recently banned player here (April 2016, recent enough imo). There's no real point in "earning" your account back. In retrospect I had more than enough chances to stop. Even on this account I ended up with a chat ban before I finally decided "Meh, let me just not anymore." It is very hard to shake a habit. Trash talk is inherit to my gaming experience. I come from console. We shit talk. A lot. Worse than anything in league, if you ask me. No one ever bragged about gangraping my mom and other such vulgarities. But if you aren't willing to stop being a dick to play this game, then you probably shouldn't be playing this game. People on here are competitive, they get frustrated, yes, but learning to deal with that frustration and funnel your gamer rage into something more constructive than flaming or feeding or what have you is important to growth in character and a gamer. I wouldn't ask for my account back; I take my punishments. I spent a lot on that account and it does suck, but hey, that's life sometimes. Attempting to give permabanned players second chances is redundant; we've already had a good five or so anyway.

themachampOct 15, 20162 votes

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Heya. Recently banned player here (April 2016, recent enough imo). There's no real point in "earning" your account back. In retrospect I had more than enough chances to stop. Even on this account I ended up with a chat ban before I finally decided "Meh, let me just not anymore." It is very hard to shake a habit. Trash talk is inherit to my gaming experience. I come from console. We shit talk. A lot. Worse than anything in league, if you ask me. No one ever bragged about gangraping my mom and other such vulgarities. But if you aren't willing to stop being a dick to play this game, then you probably shouldn't be playing this game. People on here are competitive, they get frustrated, yes, but learning to deal with that frustration and funnel your gamer rage into something more constructive than flaming or feeding or what have you is important to growth in character and a gamer. I wouldn't ask for my account back; I take my punishments. I spent a lot on that account and it does suck, but hey, that's life sometimes. Attempting to give permabanned players second chances is redundant; we've already had a good five or so anyway.

You applying for riot or something? That's a stock "sponsored by riot" reply if i ever saw one >> Some people were never lucky enough to get 5+ chances like you....also...just cause you dont want yours back doesnt mean others dont deserve theirs back lol.

BasedNerdOct 15, 20162 votes

Eeeh, I mean, you always get warnings. Numerous warnings. "We all have our bad days" or whatever that message they gave you was. If you ignore the warnings, whatever punishment you get is on you. And it doesn't matter if people "deserve" their account back. What does that even mean? Do I deserve my account back just because I learned my lesson? Not really, no.

Also, no, I'm not applying for riot, weird question.

ItsOrvalOct 15, 20162 votes

It SHOULD be that your account is only banned for the 1 year, or that you chat is perma banned. Taking away someones account when they put 100s of hours and 100s of dollars into is theft.

Lunar CookieOct 16, 20163 votes

I really hate this analogy, because it takes all blame off the user. Let's put it this way. Say you have a car, beautiful car. You spend thousands to upgrade this car. You also use it to run drugs into the country. The police find it and take posession of your car and you do not get it back. It's not on the police to give it back to you.

In similar terms. You had an account and spent hundreds on the account, but then used said account to break the terms of service. That makes you voided use of it, and the riot team takes it back. Both instances, you spend money on something and CHOOSE to use it to break known rules. You did so, knowing that if you were caught or continued getting caught (reported), that it would end with the company taking your account from you. It's not Riot's fault you chose to continue these actions.

ModPrandineOct 19, 20161 votes

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It SHOULD be that your account is only banned for the 1 year, or that you chat is perma banned. Taking away someones account when they put 100s of hours and 100s of dollars into is theft.

It's not theft when you're given multiple chances to reform and choose not to do so, especially when they flat out tell you that after the 2-week ban is a permanent ban. Not only that but you actually don't own the account, you only rent it so-to-speak. Riot lets you use the account so long as you follow the rules. If you don't or won't then they take the account back and revoke your access to it as well also. If you're unwilling to follow the rules set in place by Riot then this is not the game for you to play.

P.S. Money =/= exemption from the rules.

IceKingChernobogOct 14, 20161 votes

If they got permanently banned they most likely deserve it. But they can always make another account, since riot doesn't IP ban people.

maybeplatOct 14, 20161 votes

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themachampOct 14, 20161 votes

Eh, doing something as daring as giving permabanned players another chance requires someone at riot to have courage and try to change things for the better. The problem is no one wants to risk a comfy, pasta copy job. They just use the "Some people failed 5-6 years ago so lets scrap it" as an excuse not to try again. A lot of people have changed over the course of a long term ban, its worth a shot after a certain point. Sadly though, it will take a shift in management/philosophy for things to change for the better, I also don't think that "record number of permabanned players under new system" is something for a company to be proud about >>

TrulyBlandOct 14, 20164 votes

Trying what has never been tried before would be daring. Trying what others have tried before, even though it failed miserably would be debatable. Trying what you yourself tried before, even though it failed miserably is just stupid.

"Some" people didn't fail, 99% of the people failed. And every single time they failed, they would be toxic not in "regular" games, but with a new account effectively driving out new players and thereby ruining Riot's business. You claim that a lot of people changed over the course of a long term ban... but in reality their experiment showed the exact opposite.

Look, it's a nice theory. That's probably why Riot tried it out. But it didn't work out then, and I see absolutely no reason why it work any better now.

Also: I never saw anybody at Riot claiming to be proud of a record number of permabanned players... but in the right context it absolutely is something to be proud of, as it implies the new system is working better/faster.

If without a change in law or an increase in crime, a record amount of criminals were to be convicted in a year, then that would absolutely be a good thing, and certainly something to be proud of.

themachampOct 14, 20161 votes

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Trying what has never been tried before would be daring. Trying what others have tried before, even though it failed miserably would be debatable. Trying what you yourself tried before, even though it failed miserably is just stupid.

"Some" people didn't fail, 99% of the people failed. And every single time they failed, they would be toxic not in "regular" games, but with a new account effectively driving out new players and thereby ruining Riot's business. You claim that a lot of people changed over the course of a long term ban... but in reality their experiment showed the exact opposite.

Look, it's a nice theory. That's probably why Riot tried it out. But it didn't work out then, and I see absolutely no reason why it work any better now.

Also: I never saw anybody at Riot claiming to be proud of a record number of permabanned players... but in the right context it absolutely is something to be proud of, as it implies the new system is working better/faster.

If without a change in law or an increase in crime, a record amount of criminals were to be convicted in a year, then that would absolutely be a good thing, and certainly something to be proud of.

Not to sound mean but if everyone followed that 3 step logic.....we would never have the light bulb or many other wonderful things we have today. I'm not saying it doesnt involve tweaking but not a full scale reason to say "fk it" either.

People can change a lot in 2+ years.......some dont but a good amount do. Also those are riot experiments....not full fledged psyc studies lol.

TrulyBlandOct 14, 20164 votes

Inventions are based on trying to achieve the overall goal with different approachs... but that's not what you are suggesting. You are suggesting repeating the exact experiment that failed, yet another time. An experiment that failed so miserably, that honestly, you don't need it to be a full fledged psych study. The sample size and the rate of success speak for themselves. Now if you want to somehow tweak this experiment (so that it would be different), be my guest. But I don't see how you can tweak such a very simple setup that at the same time failed so generally.

People in general can change a lot, absolutely... but when you take a look at only a specific kind of person ("toxic" gamer) and you only look at one single aspect of their personality (self control) and you only look at how that aspect manifests itself in one specific scenario (online video games), then it's an entirely different question. It's also an entirely different question to ask how long it is worth it to try to "fix" somebody at the expense of everybody they interact with. And it's yet another question to ask this from a business point of view. Riot is not their psychiatrist, they're a game developer. And without trying to be mean, the kind of people I have seen getting permabans are the kind of people that would need actual professional help to learn how to control their anger.

Look, ultimately the point is this: You only have assumptions. You say things like "some dont [change] but a good amount do", or "A lot of people have changed over the course of a long term ban, its worth a shot after a certain point", but the reality is that you don't have any numbers to back that up (again, at least not for this very very specific scenario we are looking at). Riot does have numbers. It's not the numbers you want, and it might not be a "full fledged psych study", but it's a lot more tangible than your own personal belief. (And let's not forget that Riot actually had somebody on board from the field of psychology with access to the numbers, who supported their decision.)

ElishevaOct 14, 20161 votes

Hopefully not, no.

ShinmagusOct 15, 20161 votes

I thought league was a game for everyone? Unless your a competitive person who doesn't tolerate every person on your team going 0/5 in about 8 minutes, then this game is not for you, because remember * there trying its ok* even tho ranked system is suppose to be a competitive system. this game is a joke people are so tired of it, cant wait to see the down hill climb about to begin, just like when all games do nothing about the trolls and collect there money the fan base always starts to diminish.