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Im Diamond, but I dont have to win every Game

xBlub··40 votes·6,042 views

Well here I am. Diamond 5. Ed of the season and actually im really happy about it. But there is 1 Problem which I cant deal with. Everytime im playing normal with friends (silver/gold) i get matched with other silvers obviously. In my opinion, to play normal is training or testing new champs. So i played Gangplank for the 2 time in my whole life. Obiously after 10 secs (like seriously every single game) someone of enemy team opens the all chat "Why do we get matched with Diamond" and Im thinking evey single Game "hell, deal with it instead of crying or at least try to improve, to become better" Im really annoyed of this, cant play normals anymore cause the flame is damn insane. well wasnt the whole story yet. I left my Lane 0 2 0 cause of 2 ganks by nocturne. I started to just farm to get my Items ( actually this is what Gp has to do, isnt it?) and I made it in the end of the game to the highest farm and 8 5 3 stats. Here is the worse part of this community: In endscreen ( I lost) the renekton asked me if I am elo boosted or something, cause I did bad in his opinion or w/e. I told him that I just tried out a new champ and that im actually Mid-main. His answere was "dude, u are diamond" and here is my Point. DIAMONDS ARE NOT GODS. WE DO MISTAKES. WE FAIL. AND WE LOOSE. (sorry for caps I have to make a point) But seriously, there is a reason why we are in Diamond, there is a reason why u arent be in Diamond. And U DO NOT deserve Challenger and we are not eloboosted or ebay accounts only cause u killed us ONE TIME. this is not in an offensive way but pls. If u think someone high elo is bad keep it in ur mind or use ur adventage and rape him or w/e but dont annoy us so god damn hard with ur trashtalking every game.

67 Comments

Chronobre4k5 votes

I think it's pretty easy to fall into the mindset that diamond-tier players are these sort of gods just because for some of us, that kind of skill seems so far out of reach. But expecting you to maintain the standard in our head at all times is all kinds of unfair.

Sorry they immediately accused you of being boosted. :/ You're only human. People tend to forget that.

Sinlaire5 votes

It also doesnt help that it seems 90% of every diamond player her on Gameplay calls anything under diamond trash. LIterally saw a guy say "but you're in platinum. you can get away with buying lich bane on draven down there." just a couple days ago.

Here's a tip asshats. if you dont want to have everyone call you an elobooster when you lose one damn game, dont act like you're gods gift to man.

OP here makes an excellent point, but the thread doesnt suffer from a misconception of low elo players. it's a misconception brought on by high elo players living on the words "gold isn't high elo" and "plat is still garbage". and dont say we all havent seen it.

Gold 5 last i checked made you better than 7/10. Gold 1 better than 9/10.

If im better than 90 % of all league players, i dot care if there's millions that play. that means im better than 90% of millions if im gold 1.

Diamonds are the problem. not the bronze.

Chicken4dinner1 votes

Half the reason there are toxic asshats in my elo to begin with

xBlub2 votes

Im not an arrogant diamond player but I know these which are acting like this. e.g. Diamond 5 isnt that insan, most of them got 0 lp and play 1 game 2 weeks to not drop. I just wanted to say that Dias dont have to win every game.

ReportThisRiven1 votes

I am in silver but got really close to hold this season climbing from bronze 5. Between dealing with that and the experiences of my play, gold, and diamond friends. I agree that anything below high plat/diamond is "bronze" in every division you see the same mistakes, not warding, not knowing what to de when behind or that kills aren't the most important thing in the world, Flamers, trolls, afks. None are restricted to a single elo. I hate when someone on my team says wtf a plat 5 on the other team. IMO that's a good thing. The plat thinks he's better than you so will likely tilt easier and was probably carried by a high elo friend in placements who knows. Not saying the skill doesn't increase. Just that EVERYONE can play at that level and capitalize on the enemies mistakes. If you don't you are simply choosing to make a mistake before letting the enemy do so. This is also called the throw >.> #longasspost. Some of the best players I've seen in solo que were in high bronze lmao

Killer of Poros5 votes

Well a lot of low elo players are constantly told they're shit compared to plats or diamonds so when they see someone who's supposedly god like compared to them they're going to get pissed when their standards aren't met.

PDE5 Inhibitors4 votes

To be fair, avoiding ganks and such are things that aren't exclusive to your "main" champs.

xBlub5 votes

there is no shame to die cause of a gank. Reason of my post was that a lot of lower elo player thinks if u, as a dia player, die one time that u are elo boosted or something. well i have no probs with there opinion but rhey could keep it in there chat anyway

PDE5 Inhibitors5 votes

I agree. A good portion of high elo players are one trick ponies anyway, so they probably aren't going to play well with a new champ. All I'm saying is that the bad cs or ganks can't be attributed to "it's a new champ" because wards are the same for all of them :D

xBlub2 votes

I outfarmed renekton in lane.

xBlub2 votes

and btw sometimes its hard to handle a new AA-animation (like karthus) so farming isnt that easy from time to time

JediSenpaiNP1 votes

Yeah, Skittles take some time to handle.

T RexHasTinyArms4 votes

I think there's sort of two parts to it. I mean the first is, why would you get salty over something as trivial as a worse player calling you bad in an off role. Maybe I'm wrong, and you played really well as GP that game, but I bet it's really different than the stuff you play mid, and if you were vs a diamond top main you would have been stomped. I see plat support mains in my normal games playing solo lanes and probably half the time they do really poorly because an assassin mid or something is really different than a tank support. Personally I would probably get stomped as ADC all the way to bronze ELO games. I know I'm worse in an off role though so I don't mind someone calling me out on it bc why would I want to play my main champ/role in normal (although I have been lately playing my main role to practice some new champs for preseason).

Second is the piece of to what degree is a higher elo player expected to have an advantage over a lower elo one. D5/P1 players have a big advantage over gold players, but not as much over a P3 player probably bc the elo/mmr gap is probably half if not more than that in difference. I played a second account to solo and see if I could get to gold w/out duo or if I got carried, and it was bronze to start where I could pick up something similar to stuff I play (maokai in the game I'm thinking of) and still do really well, but when I hit mid silver I couldn't do that any more really. If it's high silver and GP is really different or you haven't played w/ him/vs him much (which would make sense given he's on perma ban) then you may have just an okay game instead of really strong, but vs low silver many P1/D5 players I've seen/played w/ can stomp even w/ something they aren't used to bc there are many basics that people get wrong at lower ranks such as judging damage in trades (so the higher elo player can figure out from a few trades how the match up is and then use that to win and get kills while the lower elo player didn't learn much from the first trades).

Of course that's all assuming that the higher elo player isn't solely a 1 trick who was mechanics based. I've known Riven/Lee players who were so good mechanically they could make plat/low diamond just w/ the strength of the champ, but didn't really learn some of the other aspects of the game that apply no matter what champion you're on. Not having the game down, but knowing 1 champs amazingly well let them get high elo w/ the champ, but they play medium/low elo level on almost everything else.

xBlub2 votes

I absolutelly agree with every part of ur text. The point is that i think normal is to practice and to improve urself. Obviously I suck at top and at jungle aswell, because I have no Idea how to play vs offtanks and such. Cant even handle rumble.. lol. the point is im mainign mid for 3 seasons so i know every match up and how to win vs champs and stuff. But do I have to rek toplane only cause im Diamond? No! I practice top to can handle it in solo q if I have to play this role. So the only thing that I want is that lower elo players dont be that offensive vs higher elo players if they loose or suck or w/e. there is a kind of repect vs each other. I dont want to get flamed every time I die in anormal game.. u know what I mean :l

T RexHasTinyArms3 votes

Yeah, I think a lot of it comes from how rude people in low elo are treated on the boards/reddit and stuff most of the time. If you hear "God, you're (below plat, and sometimes plat too). You fucking suck at this game, you just need to git gud if you want to improve (no advice on improving, just don't suck so much)." all the time than when you have someone who is perceived as being part of the group saying that and they don't stomp you there is a lot of misdirected animosity. I think there needs to be more understanding that high elo players tend to main certain roles or champs and be great at them, but not at the whole game necessarily, but there also needs to be more understanding that being at the 50% mark for a community doesn't make you complete shit and pointless.

Texas doesn't have the best education in the US, but my high school was top 10/top 5 in the state, I started college on a full ride academic scholarship despite not being in the top 1/3rd of my graduating class (then transferred schools junior year), and although the university I graduated from wasn't a top school I graduated w/ honors while working a full time job, and attended an ed psych program at UT that is top 10 in the country where I got my masters. It took me a little while to learn to not be a prick about being smart, but by the time I was finishing my masters I had an appreciation for what those top 1% and .5% of academics look like and I stopped being a prick to people w/ an average education. I found that to be pretty true for most of the people I studied w/ and so I'm always kind of surprised when it isn't just gold players insulting silver and bronze bc they don't understand how big the gap to the top is, but diamond + players often being really rude instead of encouraging improvement in lower elo players. You guys know how big the gap really is and can explain that a bit of improvement will go a long way toward moving up, and sometimes I see high elo players saying that, but often it's just really insulting stuff. I think when people see that it's easier to remember the rude players instead of the nice ones and so that frustration gets taken out on guys like you who seem to be nice and pretty chill w/ low elo players (not all "lick my boots scrub I'm fucking better than you"). Not sure if that makes it any better to put it in that perspective, but I think it's something that's always going to be there as long as the community takes such an abrasive approach to dealing w/ players below their own rank.

Fasmodey1 votes

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I think there's sort of two parts to it. I mean the first is, why would you get salty over something as trivial as a worse player calling you bad in an off role. Maybe I'm wrong, and you played really well as GP that game, but I bet it's really different than the stuff you play mid, and if you were vs a diamond top main you would have been stomped. I see plat support mains in my normal games playing solo lanes and probably half the time they do really poorly because an assassin mid or something is really different than a tank support. Personally I would probably get stomped as ADC all the way to bronze ELO games. I know I'm worse in an off role though so I don't mind someone calling me out on it bc why would I want to play my main champ/role in normal (although I have been lately playing my main role to practice some new champs for preseason).

Second is the piece of to what degree is a higher elo player expected to have an advantage over a lower elo one. D5/P1 players have a big advantage over gold players, but not as much over a P3 player probably bc the elo/mmr gap is probably half if not more than that in difference. I played a second account to solo and see if I could get to gold w/out duo or if I got carried, and it was bronze to start where I could pick up something similar to stuff I play (maokai in the game I'm thinking of) and still do really well, but when I hit mid silver I couldn't do that any more really. If it's high silver and GP is really different or you haven't played w/ him/vs him much (which would make sense given he's on perma ban) then you may have just an okay game instead of really strong, but vs low silver many P1/D5 players I've seen/played w/ can stomp even w/ something they aren't used to bc there are many basics that people get wrong at lower ranks such as judging damage in trades (so the higher elo player can figure out from a few trades how the match up is and then use that to win and get kills while the lower elo player didn't learn much from the first trades).

Of course that's all assuming that the higher elo player isn't solely a 1 trick who was mechanics based. I've known Riven/Lee players who were so good mechanically they could make plat/low diamond just w/ the strength of the champ, but didn't really learn some of the other aspects of the game that apply no matter what champion you're on. Not having the game down, but knowing 1 champs amazingly well let them get high elo w/ the champ, but they play medium/low elo level on almost everything else.

I get rekt as ADC in my elo lol, if team wants to lose, they just have to let ADC to me.

Shac Norris3 votes

Upvoting this, i've seen this happen so often :l

Like people understand that people who are higher elo are better than them, but they think that since they are better at the game, they never lose against anyone who's lower than diamond... :l

SF Kunta3 votes

I agree. The struggle is real, im diamond too and happens EVERY normal game. Everyone thinks we have to play perfectly and dont miss any skillshot because we are diamonds. Its really annoying how people thinks diamond players cant just relax and try a new champ/play with his friends relaxed and without tryharding,

DorkunedAuras3 votes

This is why I don't look up players I'm against ahead of time. if you go in thinking they're diamond, you play passive when you could win lane if you tried to. You also don't get the attitude to mock them for failing.

Earlier, I was playing my main in normals (RekSai top) and apparently the Renekton I was killing in lane was diamond V. I didn't give him flak for it when he mentioned it. I just figured he was having an off game, or, as a later found out, he hadn't played Renekton for about 2 years. sometimes you just fail. Doesn't mean you don't earn your diamond ranking, just means you're having fun in normals.

Only Play Darius3 votes

To be fair normals matchmaking is pretty shitty, especially TB. I OP.GG every game and there is consistently 2 plats and a diamond against a team of silvers, and 300 MMR differences between the teams are commonplace. Also 5 man premades against solo players is a huge issue in TB and I am worried about the upcoming "Dynamic Queue"

But then again constantly laning against players 10-15 divisions above me, while painful, has forced me to improve my game. Now when I do play ranked (Bronze 3) I find it almost too easy, whereas if I stayed in ranked and constantly played against players who don't abuse weaknesses or punish mistakes I would probably never have gotten better.

Aurelius Maximus3 votes

If I go less than 15-0-15 I'm boosted. If I do, I'm a scrub who picks on low elos for fun. my diamond border gets me greif in about 80% of normal games no matter how I play

o Maui o2 votes

Retaliation is not how a grown-up person sticks up for themselves; it's how an immature person tries to exact revenge for a perceived wrong. Sticking up for yourself is focusing on completing the task at hand to the best of your ability, then filing a report at the end of the game to see that the offender is held responsible for their actions.

Roodrak2 votes

I play alot of normals, and in my experience, rank doesnt matter at ALL. I've done premades where my friends give up just because they are facing a diamond. I've never met a Diamond player (1-5) that I'm 100% unable to beat. Rank only means that that person learns from mistakes. If a Bronze plaayer tried to beat a Diamond, and I mean really tried (putting all their bullshit excuses away) they would have a real chance.

Cerbearus2 votes

Well, I once got my ass handed to me by a 5 man premade challenger team in Dominion http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag2/cerbearus/dom_zpsurnbcatx.jpg http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag2/cerbearus/dom2_zpszo4al042.jpg

Auryiel2 votes

I have to admit, sometimes in ARAM I get matched with very high elo players (mostly plats and diamonds, got of a few masters or challengers or w/e I don't know which border is which) and sometimes I can't help but think ''Man, why are they so bad?'' but I keep it to myself (also it IS ARAM lol).

Also I played a normal once, like a month ago, versus an LCS player (I did not know this at the time, several people were fanboying over the guy and I thought they got trolled but I later checked it out and I'm 95% sure it was the pro player, either way he was at least in one of the highest ranked tiers) and he really didn't play surprisingly well either... As in the guy's a support main and aside from ganking me mid (which most supports do not do at silver/gold elo) a couple of times, he didn't do anything exceptional, both in and out of lane

So yeah, people, despite their rank, can play badly once in a while for whatever reason. It's funny and/or frustrating to notice, but I don't see the point in talking about it in chat.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Im d4 and i routinely get dumpstered by silvers when i try to play top in norms. People seem to think that diamonds are infalliable gods... because the alternative is realizing that its humanly possible to play better than a silver who secretly deserves challenger

JediSenpaiNP1 votes

Maybe I can help clear up this behavior, as while i don't do it, as a bronzie, i can see why. When we see Diamond, or even plat for that matter, we are WELL aware that this guy must be really good at the game, since we can't even get out of bronze or silver, and they managed to pass gold. But the thing is, we don't always know WHY. So we just assume everything is the problem. Some it might just be map awareness, some it might be mechanics, but we don't always know for sure, and assume because its everything, you have great control over everything in the game. So when we do manage to ever outplay or get a kill on a Diamond or Plat, we still don't understand the fact that A. People make mistakes and B. Plats, nor Diamonds, are invincible and all-knowing. We get mad, because we assume automatically that was what we lacked in, and thats how you all got to plat+. That about, imo, sums up why bronzies and silver medals act like that sometimes.

Joe Dredd1 votes

i get u people get happy when they beat my riven in normals like my riven doesnt have a 20% win rate

when i play riven ur basically playing against CoD bots with recruit difficulty

Davy Crockett1 votes

Bruh, I got boosted to wood 5, you got nothing on me.

Blue Mystified1 votes

not you obviously you're a sweetheart but a lot of diamonds/plats call anything below them absolute garbage disgusting cancer pieces of trash so it's hard to not have this generalization against diamonds and higher ranked people in general. I mean, pretty much every vocal high ranked person has a trashy opinion about Gold and below. If i won against a diamond i wouldn't say anything (i have before actually i remember she was an ahri) but the second they mention "cant believe i lost to garbage tier" or something like that it just goes out the window. I'm sick of people treating diamond and plat like it's achieving immortality

Kwon Ri Sae1 votes

I agree with this. It's like... yeah, I'm playing Nami Mid in Normals with my Silver friends, stop complaining enemy team "why are we matched with DIamonds, lol must be boosted."

Enchanté1 votes

Honestly I used to have that mindset... meeting a higher elo player and beating them, the first thing I said is "lol wut, is this ebay account?" but I kept it to myself. But now I rarely cared about it and actually felt happy if I got matched with higher players. This post also actually opened my eyes to another perspective.

Auryiel1 votes

I have to admit, sometimes in ARAM I get matched with very high elo players (mostly plats and diamonds, got of a few masters or challengers or w/e I don't know which border is which) and sometimes I can't help but think ''Man, why are they so bad?'' but I keep it to myself (also it IS ARAM lol).

Also I played a normal once, like a month ago, versus an LCS player (I did not know this at the time, several people were fanboying over the guy and I thought they got trolled but I later checked it out and I'm 95% sure it was the pro player, either way he was at least in one of the highest ranked tiers) and he really didn't play surprisingly well either...

So yeah, people, despite their rank, can play badly once in a while for whatever reason. It's funny and/or frustrating to notice, but I don't see the point in talking about it in chat.

Matarra1 votes

And then people wonder why we smurf, im fucking sick of playing normal's just because im diamond 4.

xBlub1 votes

thats it

Gorgannan1 votes

Eh, diamonds skill is downplayed a lot, but unless they're diamond 3-1, they're probably not a huge threat. People need to stop complaining.

Masters on the other hand, I can't learn from them :P they're so far above me that I don't even understand how they're winning.

OlmUAZ2s6w1 votes

Diamond 5 tends to be the place boosted players are. So you'll get flammed for that.

Enchanté1 votes

lol... If the account is boosted, it means it has diamond/plat elo, you won't be playing with them at the first place. Seriously people never learn how matchmaking works? Well, I don't really understand it fully since I'm not a Rioter afterall. I got matched with a lot of plat and diamonds (while I'm actually only Silver 4 this season, I don't really climb or play ranked that much), IMO I think this is probably happening if that diamond/plat player is queuing with his/her unranked/lower rank friends. I do found out that they are duoing, I've met a plat player duoing with his unranked friend, therefore I got matched with them, pretty obvious.

If that diamond/plat player is actually NOT queuing together (solo), means that your elo just somehow reached them, (or their elo is the one who dropped, but it's really rare). Boosted accounts elo will drop sooner or later anyway, they won't stay there for long, since loosing games will lower your elo bits by bits, if the account owner can't cope with the elo.

Aren't you suppose to be happy about it? I got really happy getting matched with diamonds or plats, and it actually gives me motivation to play ranked and climb. Sadly I didn't have enough time to climb and I prioritize having fun in normals instead :)

3tyson1 votes

I beat diamond therefor i should be diamond or u boosted hurr durr

Jakobi1 votes

I enjoy the occasional "you bought your acc %%% skrub go get cancer" remark

lHopeBotWins1 votes

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Enchanté1 votes

Dude, you have no idea what's happening to him. Maybe he got some tiny emergencies like his juice spilled on his table and gotta wipe it out fast or something, or the best possible reason is, he is lagging. Lagging really disrupt your cs ability, I've faced that before, I know how it felt.

If none of the above is the case, means he's really boosting :/ really that simple. That's what he got anyway, loses money for boosting, got his elo dropped back to his original ability after loosing a lot of games. Nothing for you to fuss about

61939590DEL11 votes

No offense if your diamond or plat, you guys should have learn the other lanes & different roles back when were in Bronze. If the majority of diamonds & plats lack in is area i can assure you that these players Duo in solo Queue just achieve to get Diamond or Plat.

Again each "Role" in TB goes by MMR, so it's possible for a bronze to be put up against a diamond "who sucks @ his new role".

Tho the majority of why some bronze, silver & gold can't get out of their division it's because Plat or diamond smurf accounts. In Rank one day Solo Queue I got match up with a duo team against me their Leblanc was just raping havoc onKatarina & others, so yea i even noticed the Leblanc was the only warding on his team evenitem 3361 if he tried to carry he eventually had no vision to poke cautiously. He took me out twice, but that's expectedeven if I was the only enemy warding, I survive 3 encounters against this Leblanc who was 41-4-11 & my team manage to win by vision. When I look him up he was Diamond 3 probably boosting someone up in bronze, which is why boosted Diamond or plats seem to suck which when they should not.

xBlub1 votes

k u definetl didnt get what I want to say with my post. you are jsut one of those mad kids cant climb in solo q by themselves, flaming everyone to get carried or something =9 i made it by my own to dia but I am a onetrick pony (midmain) and if its enough to hit dia with this i see no reason why you cant hit it aswell. maybe cause u are bad =)

44czwnFiUW1 votes

Fuck off.

Silents4291 votes

I am unranked and go against Plats and Golds a lot on my own, with friends it's pretty common for the Diamond guy to pop up, as we have a diamond friend too.

I found when I stopped checking LoLNexus all the time I actually got better because analyzing your opponents in that manner makes you have wrong assumptions about them, I have played games expecting to get destroyed because the guy I am going against was Gold 1 only to find I was better then him and could have won, other times we see a bronze and expect less, sometimes we see weird runes or mastery setups and still underestimate them.

Man In Sky1 votes

Dude I'm on the same boat as you. When I norms, I get gold 1 - Diamond 2 around there. It's terrible lol...

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

Never ever stat people when you play. You only get into your own head if they're higher rated then you or you get on a winning streak.

EVERYONE you are against is Wood 5 and horrible. Go into the game with that mindset and you will be amazed how far your ego takes you. Draven

PandahHeart1 votes

I don't think I've ever been matched with anyone Diamond+ in any game mode. Well maybe I have, I just didn't know or look at those times. I started looking this year and the highest I've played with or against is Plat 3.

I think it would be cool to play with a diamond and learn from them though lol.

Meet The Fakers1 votes

I totally agree with all of this. I am Platinum 5 and when I play with my real life friends i get put with silver and bronze players. I play normals to practice lanes i NEVER play. But when you start losing to a silver they flame you with all of this hate and elo boost accusations. It is absurd because i worked my ass off to get to where I am now. Am i not allowed to practice new champions without demeaning comments being thrown in my face?

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