Deserved "Intentional Feeding" ban ?

GrizzlyRobin·Mar 12, 2017·4 votes·2,601 views

Hello everyone !

I wanted to understand my 14 day ban for, apparently, "intentional feeding".

I was playing Vayne in the toplane and lost hard, getting 4 deaths after 8 minutes. After finishing Blade of the Ruined King, i made an horrible decision to buy some lethality items which put me even further behind, resulting in 19 deaths after 43 minutes of playing. I was getting insulted and reportcalled by my teammates, however I didn't flame back and asked them to stop being negative.

In short:

Vayne Top (because we got Ziggs bot and 2 tanks)
4/19/3 score
220 farm
31.9k dmg, second in my team
Sold lethality items for attack speed items after realizing my mistake

However i didn't intentionally feed, i got 3 reports and got banned after only 5 minutes of the match (which means Riot didn't really investigate the case).

Thanks for your feedback!

25 Comments

BarkhoofMar 12, 20176 votes

I think the problem you're having is that when you have a bad day, you REALLY have a bad day. 6/11 Kayle. 1/12 Poppy. 8/17 Yi. 7/17 Yi. 1/13 Garen. 0/9 Vayne. 4/12 Trist. 13/15 Vayne (No one had more than 7 deaths on your team). 4/19 Vayne.

A lot of these are happening on ADCs, and you aren't racking up the assists either, so it doesn't look like you're teamfighting - it looks like you're doing your own thing and either getting caught or you're intentionally going down lane when you know you're exposed. I think the other thing is that you're in Silver I, so the expectation is that you know the game and you're cognizant of the fact you need to chill out and farm safely or teamfight and help your team. I doubt the punishment was taken with only the single game you mention and that these other games were also taken into account.

I should state, I know nothing about your methods or motives, I'm merely looking at the match history and seeing what could be highlighted as possible inting.

GrizzlyRobinMar 12, 20171 votes

Agressive playstyle and lots of splitpushing. I guess i'm just playing bad but that's what the MMR is for, right? So i get matched up with and against people that have similiar experience.

Riot only pointed out the 4/19/3 game, and since i got banned exactly 3 minutes after the game, they didn't really investigate the case.

Basically if you have a very bad game AND you are getting 3+ reports, you will get punished..

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 12, 20172 votes

They may only show you one match, but that does not mean that it was the only match that led to you being punished. In fact, with regards to intentional feeding, it's extremely hard, if not impossible, to be banned based on just one match. At least without going 0/50/0.

You have to keep in mind, that Riot has a rather good system in place for tracking patterns of behavior, recording reports and issuing punishments. While it may look like you were punished after only 3 minutes, and that Riot couldn't possibly have looked into your account, that's what actually happens. With your specific match history, you've likely been reported for intentional feeding multiple times over the past two months. The system tracks this, taking into consideration things like amount of farm, was the player building an actual build (as opposed to 6 Tears on Mundo), and overall kill participation. Actual number of deaths doesn't necessarily hurt a player as much in an Inting report as a lack of assists/kills will. If you are trying to win the match, you will either a. be grouped with them and getting at least some kill participation or b. be pushing and taking objectives, in which case you will have a relatively high amount of cs or tower/inhibitor-kill participation.

You can always submit a ticket to Player Support and ask them about how often you were reported for intentional feeding, and they can tell you if it was for more beyond this one game.

GrizzlyRobinMar 12, 20171 votes

My main account has similar scores, but I've never been banned (probably because i bought some RP on it)

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 13, 20172 votes

It has nothing to do with whether you spend money on the game or not. If you spend any amount of time on the Boards, you will notice a trend in posts of people who start threads to discuss their punishments: many of them spend money. It does not make a player any less likely to be punished if they are found to be in violation of the rules.

One thing you may want to keep in mind, with the way the punishment system works, most punishments follow four tiers:

10 game chat restriction
25 game chat restriction
14 day temporary suspension
permanent suspension

But in the case of infractions that do not involve any sort of verbal rule-breaking, there is not really a need for a chat restriction. Those cases are very often punished in only two tiers. The 14 day suspension and the permanent suspension. And as you have just been issued a 14 day suspension, if your account comes up for punishment again, you may face a permanent suspension if a sufficient period of time has not passed since this ban. This is another reason why it might be beneficial to submit a ticket to Player Support, to see how many reports you may have on your account, as it might give you an idea of how many actual reports it took for you to be issued this punishment, and how many could possibly lead to a future one.

The King DiscordMar 13, 20171 votes

the ammount of reports u get in a game does NOT increase the chance of punishment you can get 9x reported and the chance will be like u only gotten 1 report

BarkhoofMar 13, 20171 votes

Well, I don't know if they go back and observe games (I've seen responses where Rioters have said as much) and I'm not sure if they take your division into account - I'm merely pointing out what it appears to be. They have said specifically that the number of reports from a single game doesn't affect the likelihood that you will be punished, but the cumulative effect is taken into account (if you're reported in 50% of your games vs. you got x9'd in only 1 of your games).

I should point out, first, you need to adjust your playstyle if you weren't intentionally feeding. The fact is that some games you have a higher rate of dying as ADC than you do in ARAMs where you've rolled ADC.

FurriesAreHotMar 12, 20171 votes

That 3/22 J4 game is suspicious. and that 2/12 Fiora game.

GrizzlyRobinMar 12, 20171 votes

I don't have any of these champions

abca98Mar 12, 20172 votes

I'm checking OP's history and hasn't played any of them in the past week. WTF are you talking about?

FurriesAreHotMar 13, 20171 votes

Whoops. I forgot to select EUW region. Silly me

SirΤeemοMar 12, 20171 votes

kinda bad, because there are literally people who troll in ranked matches and they go full feed ashe etc. and they have 50 games in a row lose (trolling) and still not banned

KVbqbFsC8eMar 12, 20171 votes

Well, if you go 4/19/3 as ADC in ranked, it should be punishable whether it was intentional or not. I don't agree with that being worthy of a 14 day ban though, but there should be some punishment for feeding that hard in ranked.

The King DiscordMar 13, 20171 votes

if u read the op that was VAYNE TOP playing her in a lane she cant play at the champ im refering too

KVbqbFsC8eMar 13, 20171 votes

The fact is he was playing an ADC, meaning if he goes 4/19/3 in any circumstance, it should be punishable.

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20171 votes

Hmm... I usually have a few very subtle things I like to check in such cases, and I almost always find at least something that's suspicious. But in this case, I'm drawing a blank (well, outside of the high death count, of course). Riot's system obviously has more data than what we see in the match history, but yeah, I think this definitely warrants a manual review.

Did you open a support ticket already? A forum thread can work quicker, but it's always a bit of a gamble, since it might just be your thread is overlooked.

GrizzlyRobinMar 13, 20171 votes

I opened one few hours ago, but I'm probably going to receive an automated response

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 14, 20171 votes

The first reply can be automated, letting you know that the case has been forwarded to the correct department/are of player support. Try to be patient, one of them will be with you soon. Don't open any additional tickets on the same situation, as having multiple tickets will merely drop your case to the bottom of the queue. Best of luck.

SukishooMar 13, 20171 votes

However i didn't intentionally feed, i got 3 reports and got banned after only 5 minutes of the match (which means Riot didn't really investigate the case).

Riot doesn't really "Investigate" most of the cases that show up. In the case of this one it was triggered by the instant feedback system.

Dragonslayer RSMar 13, 20171 votes

good job riot. please ban all this kind of intentional feeder. Also give them heavy LP punishment such as drop 1 tier directly.

SSJTribeMar 13, 20171 votes

I mean in a 43 minute game if you die 19 times that's a death around every 2 minutes and 15 seconds or so? Considering the death timer and the time it takes to walk back to lane... it's hard to imagine you did anything but walk straight into them everytime.

BigBellBruteMar 13, 20171 votes

For all those that keep claiming nobody gets banned for intentional feeding and they're toxic because of it.... Ah ah ah. We have an intentional feeding ban.

The King DiscordMar 13, 20171 votes

vayne is usually considered a TROLL pick in the top lane because it RARELY works

GrizzlyRobinMar 13, 20171 votes

Early, I was trying to trade with my opponent and their jungler was camping me. Even after 0-4, I was still winning trades against Ekko (aa cancelling, using minion waves, magic resist, ...), but Lee didn't stop ganking

Later, since I was useless i tried to take towers (my team even pinged me to do it), and I was dead seconds after i started attacking the tower. I was also grouping with my team but without any succes since their assassin was one-shoting me, hence my low assist score.

It shouldn't mather how often you die, but how: in my case, it was either a low hp opponent that I tried to kill or splitpushing

If only I could download a replay of the game I could have shown you that it wasn't intentional but mosly bad decision making ...

Master VemiraMar 13, 20171 votes

idk, my first even league account was banned first for making a snakes on a plane joke ("im tired of these mf scrubs, on this mf rift" at 30 seconds, which means its srs duh), and then perma for int feeding, after a 10 game loss streak, despite having nearly 9 towers or more taken by me split pushing while my team greifed, for the entire game, yeah, i havent spend a DIME since season 5 started, which is when i went on that loss streak