Stop doing this to Tyler1

WOOD DIVISION 3·Jan 9, 2018·108 votes·9,794 views

I just started watching Tyler1's stream and I was really enjoying it, he lost a game as Quinn and kept his composure against a pretty cancerous team. The second game start's and he gets Draven and he is super happy. As the game is about to start, the jungler switches to ghost and cleanse and proceeds to run it down Tyler's lane. My question is why? Why do this to a person who is REFORMED? How is this making the league community any better? Tyler at one point was the exact definition of toxic, but he made up for it and all is forgiven. This is a very sad thing to do to a person, not only is it petty, but it just wastes people's time. Mind you this is in a Gold game, so the incentive to win isn't as high as a higher elo, but that does not excuse anything. How can we improve the community if people continue to do this? Tyler1 is a REFORMED person now and he should be welcomed back with open arms not to all of these mean people who wish to ruin the game for everyone. That's really all I have left to say about this situation, I hope you all keep winning your games, moving up the elo ladder, and most importantly of all have a good day ^~^

236 Comments

TheProfezzorJan 9, 201856 votes

Though I don’t give 2 shlts about tyler1 and honestly think his fans are simpleton people if they find him amusing he has been allowed back. If he does something wrong he is to be reported. If someone is inting him they ought to be reported as well.

Rmn33kJan 10, 20182 votes

People are foolish to find him entertaining? Have you ever seen his streams mate?

Jo0oJan 9, 201847 votes

He earned the dislike of wide swaths of the community. This is what they think of him.

Lock OnJan 9, 20189 votes

So that inting piece of shit should ruin the game for everyone else?

hi im sebJan 9, 20189 votes

no, he still deserves to be punished and its not ok to do what he did

this was just an explanation for why that happened

Tomoe GozenJan 9, 20186 votes

It's not your call to make whether he deserves to be punished more or not. Riot did their absolute worst and make it impossible for him to stream League or upload games on YT less he gets immediately ID banned and that was a year long sentence.

What everyone's doing right now is basically doing the same thing he did a year ago. Now i wish Riot just took note of their names and over the next week, banned them all without the chance to appeal it.

T4underboltJan 9, 20186 votes

you see how biased it is? Riot has already treated his games exceptionally. The system insta banned trolls in his games after 1 trolled game from each troll. The system was adjusted to be more sensitive for his games. Why they can punish trolls for him so fast, but they wont do so for rest of the community? OH well. Answer is simple. He brings players. He advertise the game. Especially now that he claimed to be reformed and Riot can advertise another "great" decision they did, by letting him stream. So they want to use it to show false face of the game. It's not that it took them so long to unban T1 because they didnt want to believe he reformed or something. They were just thinking of using this situation for their best interest in making more money. Apperantly they will succeed. They had to do something considering fuck ups in last 6 months every patch.

Tomoe GozenJan 9, 20181 votes

Advertisement matters to Riot but not to a point that they'll let a truly toxic player rake up the dough and they'd in turn, face the other way when it comes to ignoring their behavior. This isn't Youtube and the Paulers. What kind of advertisement was tyler1 to Riot exactly? Yesterday i watched his stream and his peak was about 376k viewers at some point, and a lot of subscribers on his first day. No amount of his money went to Riot in any way.

And when did they step on the gas in terms of banning more toxic players for less? I said that i wish they did that after his games because those players exhibited the same behavior tyler1 was banned for in the past. So, they aren't allowed to troll him back for whatever reason because in turn, they lose the game intentionally for their team as well.

Secondly, players can reform. If you strongly believe that once banned, you get no more chances, you should also advocate this for everyone and not just make an exception for tyler1. Because Jensen (mid laner for C9) also had a history of unacceptable, toxic behavior in his past (before his pro career) and yet, he's on the team as a reformed player. And he isn't the only one.

Thirdly, i don't stand behind tyler1. I found his previous behavior to be utterly disgusting and i was glad he was out. But Riot only ID unbanned him, which means they aren't going to actively target him once they confirm his identity. Not a single of his previous banned accounts was unbanned and Riot manually reviewed his active accounts for the signs of any toxicity, in order to reach this verdict. And it wasn't even them who reached out to him, it was tyler1 reaching out to them to appeal his year long ban.

T4underboltJan 9, 20188 votes

Im not saying you should have only one chance and game over. He had 22 chances and wasted all of them. Him getting unabnned id after all this ruined games and toxicity is equal to unabanning casual gold player account permabanned for flame. They wouldnt normally do that. Actually at all unless the punishment was mistake in the system

rtbf225618241Jan 9, 20185 votes

This is not an excuse. This comment itself is worthless in this context because inting itself is punishable.

Jo0oJan 9, 201818 votes

I'm not offering it as an excuse, I'm offering it as an explanation.

Inting is never okay, but Tyler1 built his entire reputation and career out of it. It's unsurprising that his very presence, regardless of what kind of conduct he personally exhibits, would incite more toxicity. It's one of the reasons why so many people were skeptical about his ID ban being lifted.

Folks hate Tyler1 for any number of reasons. Insisting that he's reformed answers only some of them.

rtbf225618241Jan 9, 20183 votes

Well it would only take an ignorant person to not see how he has reformed. He's still self-centered and all that but he knows where to draw the line unless he wants faith in him completely broken. It wouldn't even be funny at that point.

Jo0oJan 9, 20187 votes

I think you're projecting some opinion onto me that I'm not expressing.

I dislike Tyler1 based on his history, not his current behavior. Regarding his current behavior, I think he shows signs of being reformed, though time will tell. At no point have I claimed that he is not currently reformed, or that folks inting his games are justified in doing so.

xCupidJan 9, 20183 votes

No I'm sorry he hasn't reformed and never will be. I dare you actually watch his stream and pay me 20 dollars for every time he screams, belittles, taunts or flames a opponent.

I'd be a rich man in no time ;)

Jo0oJan 9, 20183 votes

I said he showed signs, not that he certainly was reformed. I think he's still a douche, and may get himself banned, but so far he hasn't crossed the line into Riot's shit list again.

OxyrottenJan 9, 201835 votes

Because Tyler promotes toxicity by name alone. Just his presence is a detriment to other players because of his reputation. Reformed or not.

AmazoXJan 9, 20187 votes

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Because Tyler promotes toxicity by name alone. Just his presence is a detriment to other players because of his reputation. Reformed or not.

Bullshit.

OxyrottenJan 9, 201814 votes

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Bullshit.

Yet here we are swearing at each other.

AmazoXJan 9, 20184 votes

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Yet here we are swearing at each other.

Because nobody ever swear'd in boards at all even before T1 became a thing. Because nobody loves T1, he has 300K+ viewers for a reason, people donate to him for a reason, he is reformed now, get over it, you arguing with me won't change anything, down voting me won't change anything because you can't seem to accept the truth and are so butt hurt about it. [zombie-brand-clap]

OxyrottenJan 9, 20185 votes

Sure, but nobody ever swore over tyler1 before tyler1 became a thing... Your logic is so flawed and there's no saving it lol.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Jet SettJan 9, 201813 votes

It seems everyone who dislikes Tyler1 are the ones being toxic now.

Troll for TrumpJan 9, 20183 votes

Tyler1 is promoting toxicity towards him, not at anyone else.

Most popular streamers have that happen to them too, through stream snipes.

Other types of players similar to Hashinshin or Tyler1 may also find teammates that'll troll them.

Streamers promote toxicity directed specifically at them, not toxicity in general.

OxyrottenJan 9, 20188 votes

Dude, seriously? Toxicity towards them is still toxicity in the game. Toxicity towards them is still toxicity in the community. Toxicity towards them is still toxicity. Period.

There's no way you can tell me that toxicity towards them is not toxicity in general. That doesn't even make sense. How is toxicity not toxicity?

AbyssionKnightJan 9, 20184 votes

So are you proposing every streamer that creates toxicity, whether they ask for it or not, should be banned? Even if they themselves never do anything toxic?

I don't see your point. If a streamer is toxic to others, if they say in game chat toxic things, start inting etc, then sure, ban them for their toxicity. If other people are being toxic in games though, you remove the toxic players not the victims of their toxicity.

OxyrottenJan 9, 20183 votes

Did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth just because your angry and want to argue lol.

If other people are being toxic in games though, you remove the toxic players not the victims of their toxicity.

And now I don't see your point, what does that have to do with anything?

AbyssionKnightJan 9, 20183 votes

Look at the OP.

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My question is why? Why do this to a person who is REFORMED? How is this making the league community any better? How can we improve the community if people continue to do this?

You responded with:

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Because Tyler promotes toxicity by name alone. Just his presence is a detriment to other players because of his reputation. Reformed or not.

And when you were told

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Tyler1 is promoting toxicity towards him, not at anyone else.

Most popular streamers have that happen to them too, through stream snipes.

Other types of players similar to Hashinshin or Tyler1 may also find teammates that'll troll them.

Streamers promote toxicity directed specifically at them, not toxicity in general.

You stated:

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Toxicity towards them is still toxicity in the game. Toxicity towards them is still toxicity in the community. Toxicity towards them is still toxicity. Period.

So let's follow that train of logic, shall we?

If streamers promote toxicity towards themselves due to their name, and reputation, and if promoting toxicity towards yourself is itself a toxic behaviour, then by your own logic streamers are toxic. Riot is against Toxic behaviour and bans it. So, if Streamers are toxic for drawing toxic behaviour towards themselves, on the basis of their name and rep, then Riot should ban them for toxic behaviour.

I'm just questioning how that logic is at all productive or answering the OP's questions, since you're basically just saying that streamers ask for toxicity, so they are toxic, and they deserve the toxicity they get.

OxyrottenJan 9, 20185 votes

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If streamers promote toxicity towards themselves due to their name, and reputation, and if promoting toxicity towards yourself is itself a toxic behaviour, then by your own logic streamers are toxic. Riot is against Toxic behaviour and bans it. So, if Streamers are toxic for drawing toxic behaviour towards themselves, on the basis of their name and rep, then Riot should ban them for toxic behaviour.

I'm just questioning how that logic is at all productive or answering the OP's questions, since you're basically just saying that streamers ask for toxicity, so they are toxic, and they deserve the toxicity they get.

Your making huge jumps in conclusion. Your assuming that streamers are toxic when that is a generalization obviously so your train of thought lacks correlation. Like I have to use both hands to count the fallacies in your statement. Tyler has developed a reputation for toxicity, you can't argue against that. You just can't. No matter how hard your trying you can't. And your really trying hard, but what your saying is such a reach and has no coherency.

If streamers promote toxicity towards themselves due to their name, and reputation

This is an assumption and a fallacy.

and if promoting toxicity towards yourself is itself a toxic behaviour, then by your own logic streamers are toxic.

Another fallacy, there is nothing connecting the too. Even using my statements your still making assumptions with no logic.

Riot is against Toxic behaviour and bans it. So, if Streamers are toxic for drawing toxic behaviour towards themselves,

Again another fallacy and your statement lacks correlation. No one is saying streamers do this.

Riot should ban them for toxic behaviour.

Your statements lack anything linking them together. Besides that you just disproved the point you were trying to make. Riot DID ban Tyler for this. Literally just for this. That is the entire reason for the ID ban. How can you argue that? Like really you can't. And please stop putting words in my mouth. Your making assumptions and using my words to shoehorn your assumptions into some abstract concept that only exists in your head.

AbyssionKnightJan 9, 20184 votes

Dude, you literally said Tyler promotes toxicity, and that reformed or not, his very name and presence are detrimental to everyone around him. YOU SAID THAT. So why you're not claiming that's an assumption and fallacy on my part when that's what you said.

When you got a response pointing out his reputation promotes toxicity towards himself, not towards others, YOU responded saying it doesn't matter since toxicity to yourself, or others, is still toxicity. So again, YOU established the concept that someone promoting toxicity towards themselves is promoting toxicity in general. People have been banned in the past for taking actions in game that, while not toxic in and of itself, are done with the intention of inciting others to rage and be toxic. So yes, promoting toxicity would be toxic behaviour and therefore ban worthy.

sir d wreckJan 9, 20185 votes

Tyler past behaviors promote toxicity now. He doesn't actively promote it on purpose, it's just that now the mere fact of him playing a game is bound to bring out the worse in people. It's not right that they do this, but I'm not surprised in the least that this is happening. It sucks, but maybe he should have thought about that before he got 20+ accounts banned. Do you even realize how many games he's ruined for people? Not everyone is going to jump into Tyler's arms for a big hug now that he's not toxic, because he kinda burned those bridges long ago. Eventually people will stop doing this, but for now Tyler has to relieve what he did to others... which I'd say has a certain ironic twist to the whole thing.

OxyrottenJan 9, 20184 votes

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Tyler past behaviors promote toxicity now. He doesn't actively promote it on purpose, it's just that now the mere fact of him playing a game is bound to bring out the worse in people. It's not right that they do this, but I'm not surprised in the least that this is happening. It sucks, but maybe he should have thought about that before he got 20+ accounts banned. Do you even realize how many games he's ruined for people? Not everyone is going to jump into Tyler's arms for a big hug now that he's not toxic, because he kinda burned those bridges long ago. Eventually people will stop doing this, but for now Tyler has to relieve what he did to others... which I'd say has a certain ironic twist to the whole thing.

This.

Abyssion Knight - It's not right or healthy anyway you look at it but it's there.

HydroxlicJan 9, 201825 votes

The best part of all this is when people claim he's "reformed" I decided to click his stream to see if he was and first thing out of his mouth is "Maybe if this Annie turned off her monitor she would play better". To me this isn't really reformed, sure so far he isn't running it down mid like before but so far this is just turning a 180. It's only a matter of time before hes back to his usual self.

Edit: And after ever kill he says "fucking bitch" really stellar reforming there.

HaIlMonitorJan 9, 201845 votes

Oh get real. Outside of pro's almost all the streamers say stuff like that. If he isnt running it down, throwing games, and typing crap who cares?

HydroxlicJan 9, 201818 votes

and almost all streamers don't have the reputation of being a complete asshat who's main selling point is pure toxicity and being proud of 22 perm banned accounts along with an ID Ban.

Pandemic PunchJan 9, 201825 votes

Almost all pro streamers say things like that too. Even Faker :-)

TherìcalJan 9, 201832 votes

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The best part of all this is when people claim he's "reformed" I decided to click his stream to see if he was and first thing out of his mouth is "Maybe if this Annie turned off her monitor she would play better". To me this isn't really reformed, sure so far he isn't running it down mid like before but so far this is just turning a 180. It's only a matter of time before hes back to his usual self.

Edit: And after ever kill he says "fucking bitch" really stellar reforming there.

He can say whatever he wants as long as hes not typing it.

InfernapeJan 9, 201822 votes

Heh it's like Karma's repeating itself.

OleandervineJan 9, 201812 votes

https://i.imgur.com/uYpCWic.png

Eternal TormentJan 9, 201810 votes

That's probably because not everyone is convinced that he is reformed. I myself stay neutral to it. if he is, he is. if he isn't, that's the end of it.

But there are people who don't believe he is reformed. and like in that game you saw, there are people who want to make sure others don't believe he is reformed. In real life we call them "manipulative low lifes". because that's what they do. they provoke situations then twist the blame in a way that is socially debated or undeniable. In this case debatable because "T1 reformed?" is not yet 100% answered in everyone's eyes.

Long story short, someone just tried to use the situation to bait tyler1 into being toxic again.

T4underboltJan 9, 20182 votes

No. They dont want to make him look like he didnt reform. The attempt with ghost cleanse jungle is simple revenge. Allowing him to play after id ban and 22 permabanned accounts is equal to unbanning a single account of regular player who got perma which by riot standards will never happen if the punishment was just. People dont like him being treated as special just because he is a streamer thus promoting the game.

HereComeSexyTimeJan 9, 20182 votes

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No. They dont want to make him look like he didnt reform. The attempt with ghost cleanse jungle is simple revenge. Allowing him to play after id ban and 22 permabanned accounts is equal to unbanning a single account of regular player who got perma which by riot standards will never happen if the punishment was just. People dont like him being treated as special just because he is a streamer thus promoting the game.

Revenge? Why would the SILVER AND GOLD PLAYERS today who had NEVER BEEN IN A GAME with him before want revenge?

Eternal TormentJan 9, 20181 votes

Because he doesn't. Revenge is a term you associate with when Things are personal. This wasn't personal. This was some bandwagon Jumper who thought "Let's test if T1 is really reformed".

Stars ShaperJan 9, 20183 votes

A bandwagon T1 created by having others imitate him.

https://d3gqasl9vmjfd8.cloudfront.net/9b53272b-638a-4758-a6ab-3fa7bd1a9ac5.png

Eternal TormentJan 9, 20181 votes

that's precisely the issue where people's opinions split. People only see that he created toxicity. noone ever asks if he wanted to. yes, he used to want to be toxic himself. But in These days, he doesn't want to be toxic, or at least wants to avoid it as much as possible. But people don't see that. they just see his past and judge the whole ordeal based on that.

he USED to be toxic, he USED to inspire it. he doesn't These days and whoever actually uses his past Reputation to justify their own sabotaging really, and i mean REALLY, Needs a hobby.

Stars ShaperJan 9, 20184 votes

But he didn't get famous because he was good, he got famous because he was toxic and inting. The fact that now that he is getting his own medicine and his supporters are pleading others not to do so it's just hypocrisy. They should rejoice to see his exemple being spread enough that he himself is now dealing with what he did to an abnormous number of ppl.

I don't condone their toxicity, they should be banned too asap because this is a litteral cancer for the game. But it's just karma coming back at him.

Eternal TormentJan 9, 20182 votes

May be. But i personally think it is not karma, but a deluded sense of justice. Karma is more...natural. Yes, i too agree on your current comment. Tyler1 used to be toxic and int in massive scales, and toxicity and inting should never be condoned no matter who does it. But tyler1 reflected on what he did. He already had to feel guilty over it and face the harsh truth of his mistakes without people rubbing it in his face. That this erupts into a community wide argument, i agree again, is hypocrisy.

But i personally think such shouldn't be a case to begin with. Just because tyler1 hurt others shouldn't mean he has to be hurt too. Yes, Maybe i am too soft and he does deserve it. but since when has a chainreaction in negativity ever been positive.

You don't go abusing former bullies just because they bullied others do you? It's the same Thing by metaphor. they made it hard for others, but they are FORMER assholes for good reason. And we should really aim to be better than this. Following tyler1s footsteps from when he was the worst only really makes one Picture, that we are by any means no better despite our "good intention" or "serving karma".

Thats at least what i think. again, it's just my opinion and i could be direly wrong or just see it with a soft eye.

Stars ShaperJan 9, 20183 votes

I'm more critic towards his fanbase.

If you are cheering the bullies then don't get all anti-bullism when the victim it's you or your idle.

To me T1 should be just left in the anonymity of the net and never have followers.

Eternal TormentJan 9, 20183 votes

Seeing how Things developed, you might be onto something. like, i am neutral on the fact T1 is allowed to publicly Play lol again, but seeing what it is causing, it might have been a good Thing for him to stay anonymous for a bit longer. Fanbases and anti-fanbases are always a pain in the balls to deal with.

T4underboltJan 9, 20182 votes

He had 22 chances to behave. If he got another one then riot should unban at least one account per player from perma. His ID unban is unfair towards other players.

Eternal TormentJan 9, 20181 votes

He is the only Player in the record of LoL to ever receive an id ban to begin with. go figures he is the only one that receives any form of "Lift" even thought it is not really a lift but more like he is allowed to Play lol and out his account.

His case, albeit not in a good way, is a unique case no matter how you look like it. people who try to generalize or compare just want attention for their own accounts. It has been stated, and through multiple Posts various times redescribed, that tyler1 is not getting any lifts whatsoever regarding his accounts. he is merely allowed to make new ones without them being banned on sight.

people Need to stop thinking that an id ban compares to a single account ban. it doesn't.

InfernapeJan 9, 20184 votes

No he isn't. XJ9 still has an ID ban. Dopa has one from Riot Korea for boosting. Jensen got one when he was known as Incarnati0n.