So this is just getting ridicoules, i had 3 people today who proudly announced that they are honor lvl 0 and bragged aorund that the graves skin sucks anyway and everyone is a %%%got hwo got it. They queue in rankeds just to feed, troll and piss the whole team off with everything from stelaing the cs from the adc as support, to flashing at the beginning of the game.
"The Community has improved" Riot said, like hell it did
Chermorg20 votesThis would have the effect of creating an even more toxic environment in normals via the Prisoner's Island concept. Riot has stated they will not implement anything that would have the result of clustering negativity or toxicity in one place as it would a) be detrimental to those who wanted to play whatever game mode it was put in, and/or b) would be hard to climb out of given the rampant toxicity in the queue, and/or c) would punish those who make one mistake for basically eternity, etc. etc. etc.
flibitydoo2 votesdidn't they already invoke a prisoners island with draft pick normals by sending softbanned players there?
Chermorg2 votes"softbanned" meaning? Riot has two types of bans - an account ban (99+%), and an identity ban (<1% - the very bad offenders like Tyler1 etc).
flibitydoo1 votessoftban what I meant was like "a ban restriction from playing ranked".
I remember reading a lot of salty players (who were punished) talking about how it's annoying it was because they needed like 14 or 16 wins on normals draft and how it was a horrible punishment.
Chermorg3 votesAh - that's a long time gone and isn't a thing anymore, partially because it failed as far as I'm aware.
KVbqbFsC8e12 votesThats a terrible idea. That would make unranked games even worse. Riot already tried this with the garbage system they used before updating the IFS. This would be even more strict, someone getting a single chat restriction would lock them into normals.
AL00022 votesranked > unranked game
serious game > trolling game
serious game is serious
KVbqbFsC8e17 votesAnd you honestly think this would keep people from trolling in ranked when its very easy to troll games in ways the automated system cannot detect?
Gigglingdeath9 votes[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjAmb4m2,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:48:59.251+0000)
And you honestly think this would keep people from trolling in ranked when its very easy to troll games in ways the automated system cannot detect?
The point isn't to keep all people from trolling in ranked, the point is to deny those that have already been shown to be toxic from ranked. It's basically a step towards trying to keep ranked a healthy game mode (even though we know it isn't).
KVbqbFsC8e4 votesThey already tried it before.
It didn't work.
Gigglingdeath5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjAmb4m2,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:56:54.968+0000)
They already tried it before.
It didn't work.
When? Can I see where they tried it?
KVbqbFsC8e9 voteshttps://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/1LJP1ovA-ranked-restrictions
They got rid of it when they overhauled the punishment system to the tiered system we have now.
Gigglingdeath2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjAmb4m2,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:59:56.176+0000)
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/1LJP1ovA-ranked-restrictions
They got rid of it when they overhauled the punishment system to the tiered system we have now.
Thanks, I'll read after work. :)
Telephone Booth5 votesThe point isn't to keep all people from trolling in ranked, the point is to deny those that have already been shown to be toxic from ranked. It's basically a step towards trying to keep ranked a healthy game mode (even though we know it isn't).
It wouldn't work and it would only alienate their playerbase. Now those who don't play ranked get stuck with ALL of the trolls who are bitter and salty that they can't play ranked and will troll unranked as hard as they can as a "fuck you" to Riot.
GigglesO2 votes[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjAmb4m2,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-15T00:47:22.769+0000)
It wouldn't work and it would only alienate their playerbase. Now those who don't play ranked get stuck with ALL of the trolls who are bitter and salty that they can't play ranked and will troll unranked as hard as they can as a "fuck you" to Riot.
Good, they can get permabanned then.
Telephone Booth1 votesGood, they can get permabanned then.
Lol true, but why just ban them from ranked then? You're just adding an extra step.
GigglesO2 votesBecause them not trolling in ranked would be step 1 to recovery...
Karunamon3 votesIt doesn't need to be perfect - just better. This would definitely help.
Wukong Airlines12 votesI've met people with Level 5 Honor who are more toxic than the dishonorable people you talk about.
This system is flawed, and just because you think you are Honor 3+ doesn't mean you're better than them, you're just arrogant because of that flashy Honor badge? well bad news, you're just acting like them with this post.
Sqkerg2 votesPeople are allowed to be proud of their accomplishments ya know.
pro rusher 22 votesHaving honor lvl 5 doesn't mean anythink at all, only that you were lucky enough to not get punished yet. People with honor lvl 0 are usually less toxic, than people with honor lvl 5, becouse they know, how it is, to get punished.
Gigglingdeath10 votesI actually think this would be beneficial. If you aren't at least honor level 1 and reforming (slowly) you can't play ranked.
Edit: By reforming I mean at LEAST have your honor level unlocked.
GraćSięNieDa9 votesridicoules
Shadòw8 votesThis would probably not even be a bad idea
Simmoniana7 votesI will tell you what permanent banning does:
It motivates those people to just buy a 30k IP / blue essence loaded account and then smurf to whatever their ELO was anyway. A smurf from diamond 1 can get to diamond 1 again typically in 100-140 games played. So that's like 1 month of play. That's not really that bad.
inb4 reactions ''you got no proof''
http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=liilliilliiliil
Around 1/6 of the games I played on this account were against or with guys like the above who are OBVIOUSLY playing on a bought account. Riot doesn't care much about this anyway their president (tryndamere) even got boosted in the past lel.
They are often permabanned on their mains, don't mind bragging about it and have a winrate over 60% and often are just much better than everyone else in the game (even though nobody admits that the opponent was better or that they were playing vs a diamond 3+ smurf).
1/4 or 1/3 of the losses on this account are due to the above players. There is no ranked queue integrity if you just have higher ranked players constantly smurfing since they get banned. You just end up ruining even more games then if you let them play on their mains in diamond 3+ which is super toxic anyway because its competitive.
Gigglingdeath3 votesI will tell you what permanent banning does:
It motivates those people to just buy a 30k IP / blue essence loaded account and then smurf to whatever their ELO was anyway. A smurf from diamond 1 can get to diamond 1 again typically in 100-140 games played. So that's like 1 month of play. That's not really that bad.
inb4 reactions ''you got no proof''
http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=liilliilliiliil
Around 1/6 of the games I played on this account were against or with guys like the above who are OBVIOUSLY playing on a bought account. Riot doesn't care much about this anyway their president (tryndamere) even got boosted in the past lel.
They are often permabanned on their mains, don't mind bragging about it and have a winrate over 60% and often are just much better than everyone else in the game (even though nobody admits that the opponent was better or that they were playing vs a diamond 3+ smurf).
1/4 or 1/3 of the losses on this account are due to the above players. There is no ranked queue integrity if you just have higher ranked players constantly smurfing since they get banned. You just end up ruining even more games then if you let them play on their mains in diamond 3+ which is super toxic anyway because its competitive.
I'm confused by what this has to do with the original post. Yes, people might buy and account and smurf after being banned, BUT, if their honor level drops to 0 or is locked at level 1, they shouldn't even be able to PLAY ranked. That's what this is about. So basically, doesn't matter how many accounts you buy, if you're toxic you lose the privilege of playing ranked. As someone above said, you can buy and account, but you can't buy honor.
Dokueki Kenshin7 votesI actually like this idea. It’s attacking the spirit of the problem instead of the letter. Sure, they could buy new accounts, but they can’t buy honor, and it can be immediately revoked.
AetherArising7 votesLet me explain where i see a major problem in this.
The way that riot "detects" people reforming is entirely reliant on the community itself. If you're just an average bloke who doesnt get honored several times a game, you're absolutely, royally, fucked.
Several months ago i was chat penalized for a first-time offense. A grand total of 10 games of limited chat back in august i believe.
Since then, i've done my damnedest to try and avoid being the next tyler1, But i'm far from a shining paragon of the human race. I get frusterated, but i avoid taking anger out on fellow teammates. I've been "Honor Unlocked" since about a week or two after the flamefest i got penalized for.
To put into perspective what it was, i had just started jungling but even then i knew an important part of jungling was ganking lanes and helping teammates in fights. When i faced Lucian and Brand jungles, whom never ganked and flamed me for losing in a hard-countered lane.
So, i got pissed at them for playing poorly and not helping the team, so i flame em. Bad idea, but i was trying to get it through their thick skulls that we are humans, we dont play perfectly and we need help
3 months have passed and a new preseason, still honor 1 "unlocked".
Since being "reformed" is descided by the people you play with, and if they honor you or not, If you're stuck in a low ELO/MMR alongside people who tend to be more inflammatory (i.e mid bronze), you'll never climb OUT of low honor, so any 2nd offense is an instant demote to dishonorable.
2 minor penalties would screw you out of ranked. Minor penalties of which can be chalked up to human nature just being flawed.
So, let me just say that your idea should only work on people who have committed frequent and serious acts of toxicity, not just anyone labled dishonorable. Getting your 2nd and 3rd strikes get easier and easier as riot watches you more closely, trust me i've seen it happen myself.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesA few things. First off, you passively progress in honor just by playing. Is it slow? Yes. But it happens.
And simply being human (i.e. flawed in personality) isn't enough to get you punished. One warning, in two years. And I'm no angel at all.
AzZiree2 votesA few things. First off, you passively progress in honor just by playing. Is it slow? Yes. But it happens.
And simply being human (i.e. flawed in personality) isn't enough to get you punished. One warning, in two years. And I'm no angel at all.
I am really hardly ever toxic an i blow up one game and get a 2 week like its so screwed up no warnings nothing
Thilmer5 votesThere was a time when Riot did exactly that, and the results were terrible: you couldn't play a Normal game without having 3 flamers in your team.
To give you an idea of the problem, I started to play Ranked to have less flamers in my team. It was that bad.
Brutalmore3 votesI disagree. I was level 3 and had a moment of weakness and was a total asshole to my team. I got my 2-week ban and realised my behavoir was just uncalled for and have been trying to get back into a positive mindset and not always get so angry at a video game. Reforming a player can happen, but it takes that player to understand they are the problem and they need to work on themselves and their communications. I have 0 honor at the moment and its a bit embarrassing, but I am working on not passing judgments and trying to get to a better rank.
Gigglingdeath2 votes[{quoted}](name=flesruoy llik,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjAmb4m2,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:56:52.689+0000)
I disagree. I was level 3 and had a moment of weakness and was a total asshole to my team. I got my 2-week ban and realised it was just uncalled for and have been trying to get back into a positive mindset and not always get so angry at a video game. Reforming a player can happen, but it takes that player to understand they are the problem and they need to work on themselves and their communications. I have 0 honor at the moment and its a bit embarrassing, but I am working on not passing judgments and trying to get to a better rank.
You sir, might be an exception, but a majority of people don't reform like that. I think there'd be a different mentality if not only did you lose your free rewards, but you also couldn't even play in ranked until you've at least "proven" to have reformed. You know what I mean? I know I was pissed that I lost my honor level from getting chat restricted, but do you know how livid I would have been to realize I couldn't play my decay games and I was going to demote because I was being a whiny little bitch one game? You know how careful I would be? Getting a ward skin is cool I guess, getting random chests or whatever is cool I guess, but not being able to play the game mode that shows how "good" I am in ranked and progress there? Oh boy.
Karunamon3 votesYou sir, might be an exception, but a majority of people don't reform like that.
Riot's stats say otherwise. Most people who get even a chat restrict don't go on to get a second one.
Troll for Trump3 votesSo you're suggesting that the solution is to go full absolute authority?
Niyumi2 votesHey guess what? I'm honor 0. Wanna know why? Not because I troll and feed, oh no. 'cause I complained in chat about bad teams and broken champs.
And... judging by what op.gg says, I'm better at the game than you, so...
Mindspeaker4 votesHey guess what? I'm honor 0. Wanna know why? Not because I troll and feed, oh no. 'cause I complained in chat about bad teams and broken champs.
And... judging by what op.gg says, I'm better at the game than you, so...
Umm that negative attitude depending how you did it could also be verbal abuse.... which is a toxic quality in reality you are no differnt than a feeder and this should still apply to you
It does not matter how " good " even if you were one of the top players in all of lol if you cant act like a positive mature civilized player you deserve whatever punishment you get including this if it was one of them.
Niyumi2 votesUmm that negative attitude depending how you did it could also be verbal abuse.... which is a toxic quality in reality you are no differnt than a feeder and this should still apply to you
Yeah, okay. So complaining about broken champs (really just ranting to myself in chat), calling out trolls on my team (as I watch them inting and running under towers to die and whatnot), and complaining about having a bad team when it's 15-50 (and I'm all of those 15 kills with 1-2 deaths at most) is just me being toxic, yeah.
if you cant act like a positive mature civilized player
Hey, wanna guess something else? There's this thing... called emotions? People tend to have them. We're not robots that can just turn off certain feelings and reactions, and everybody reacts to things differently.
And I got a question for ya: Can you think of a single game other than League that will just up and ban you for chat? ... no? Huh.
Mindspeaker6 votesYeah, okay. So complaining about broken champs (really just ranting to myself in chat), calling out trolls on my team (as I watch them inting and running under towers to die and whatnot), and complaining about having a bad team when it's 15-50 (and I'm all of those 15 kills with 1-2 deaths at most) is just me being toxic, yeah.
Yes it most certainly is a true fact you are correct it is most definitely you being toxic.
Its specifically called negative attitude and possibly verbal abuse and depending what you say offensive language all three of which are reportable offences.
There is never any "context" or "justification" for responding to, reacting to any Intentional negative chat , action or play .
Also there is never any "context" or Justification to negativity commenting on something you simply don't like or what you consider "bad play" of any kind.
Basically keep your negative commentary to yourself.
Remember you don't have the "right" to be here it is a "privileged" every player is just GUEST of Riot no matter how much money that player spent on their account and their Privilege of playing in this game can and should be taken away permanently,
{quoted} Hey, wanna guess something else? There's this thing... called emotions? People tend to have them. We're not robots that can just turn off certain feelings and reactions, and everybody reacts to things differently.
nothing you said here is a justification for lashing out , having an negative attitude or becoming verbally abusive .
again ...keep your negative commentary on your side of the screen
Mature respectable civilized players actually have enough emotional control and anger management skill to not lash .
maybe you should look into some anger management classes if that is difficult for you right now.
Also you do realize you are getting stressed out over a video game right?
{quoted}And I got a question for ya: Can you think of a single game other than League that will just up and ban you for chat? ... no? Huh.
Yep Here you go .. here is more games than you asked for
soo yea ....mabey you should actually know what your talking about before making a statement like that in the future
Dota, overwatch, Guildwars 2 and HoS all have report functions to deal with verbal toxicity.
https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Report
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/31422
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reporting
The only PC game that does not have a report function that I have regularly played is TF2.
TheCharmingCharm2 votesPlease no... I just recently got banned (and by recently i mean months ago...) And i get honors every single game. Yet i'm still at honor lvl 0 It's been months of me getting at LEAST one honor per game, of course theres a few where i get none, and a few where i'm the most honored player on the team. No matter how much honor i get, i just don't ever get past honor lvl 0. It's ridiculous... and don't even get me started on the equally ridiculous reason for me being banned....
Naqel5 votesIf you aren't leveling up in honor despite receiving commendations, that means you are also doing something that earns you reports.
I Do Not Recall2 votesLike playing a champion that people think is troll even though I perform well with it? Or deciding to split push and then my whole team dies twice in a row failing to fight under towers mid and they blame me when the other team ends the game because i don't port back to try and 1v5? People report me all the time for that.
I have yet to get punished for those reports but I know people do it because they take the time to tell it to me with a nice passive aggressive :). Which of course prevents them from getting any punishment because ":)" = "friendly" by the report bots (and therefore Riots) standards.
But essentially you are telling me I can't progress in honor because people report me for playing off-meta?
Naqel1 votesThe line between "trolling" and "off-meta" is, regretably, the same as the one between defeat and victory. It is also quite reasonable to assume that even if by your own standards you are a fully reformed saint of an angel, others may not share your opinion.
I've been "stuck" on Honor 4 precisely because win or lose, I like to make sure to recognize the contribution of my allies to the end result: Sometimes that means getting an honor in return, other times it's a report for abuse.
I Do Not Recall2 votesHarassing, berating, and being consistently a dick to somebody because of their game play is toxic. In fact, that's why I got chat banned in the first place and moved to honor level 0, not for insulting or racial slurs or int feeding or trolling or verbal abuse, for criticizing my teammates playstyle too harshly.
But regardless I learned from that and now I keep my chat clean or positive.
But according to you it's ok to report me over my choice of champion and keep me at honor 0 regardless of the fact that I only put positive things or nothing in the chat.
According to you If i pick something off meta and our team loses I'm trolling, regardless of how many tears of the goddess our adc built, how many mobis our toplaner built, regardless of the fact that I went positive K/D and did as much as I could to help our team win and get other lanes ahead. The games all my fault because I'm not playing a meta champ. Therefore I'm trolling, deserve a report, deserve to be stuck at honor 0, and according to a lot of people in this thread, deserve to be banned from ranked games.
And all those people who played lulu top? or Ziggs botlane? or Lucian Mid? Ezreal or twitch jungle? Or Brand/ Annie Support?
I really really really really REALLY don't understand how people still get upset in this game when somebody picks something that "isn't meta". When are people going to get it? Probably never...
Naqel1 votesBut according to you it's ok to report me over my choice of champion and keep me at honor 0 regardless of the fact that I only put positive things or nothing in the chat.
That's a whole lot of insinuation. All I'm doing is explaining what's happening: "Don't shoot the messenger."
Plus, nobody is ever as perfect as they think they are, Riot Support guys prove this every time someone "perfect" tries to appeal a permanent ban.
I Do Not Recall2 votesNo It's not?
You literally equated trolling with playing off-meta under the stipulation that if I win I'm just off meta but if I lose then I'm trolling.
The line between "trolling" and "off-meta" is, regretably, the same as the one between defeat and victory.
Which would validate reporting me whenever I lose, which would validate my honor level 0, which would validate me being being banned from ranked for trying something new but failing.
So no, I'm not "insinuating" anything, I'm taking what you said at literal face value and making the reasonable assumption that you agree with the OP, since you have yet to disagree with him after posting several times in this thread.
with this!