Permanently banned for banter between friends

Dash Space Lord·Jan 27, 2016·133 votes·10,958 views

So about 2 weeks ago I was permanently banned because of an audit of toxic logs in my team chat (link to it at the end). Yes it is true that the logs on their own clearly appear to be toxic but I was speaking to my IRL friends in a 5 man normal lobby in team chat, I was in a Skype call with all of them but my microphone was not working properly so I could only hear them and responded to them via text in team chat. Their names were Mcgoogles, Lightning Saix, jasonpwn, and Upwaft75. All 4 of them have posted on this thread confirming the situation I described.

Lyte has said himself that he is ok with banter amongst friends: "we've talked a lot in the past about how we're OK with players bantering with their friends" which I will link

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132485638338

EDIT: It was the enemy team that reported me, despite me speaking only in team chat to my friends

http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?I67FcEeiZ%2BJ%2BYPf3iBbC6gaN01kOII4IEwlLpYQ3Nhw=.enc&msgVersion=web

193 Comments

trash sionJan 27, 201665 votes

To get banned for this is fucking stupid lol

If everything you said is true, and you never spoke in /all, then why would enemy reports for verbal abuse even have merit?

I wish you luck in getting your account unbanned.

HippolytaJan 27, 20162 votes

Dash Space lord and Azuk the jungler is real friends and on same team for ranked play .. i check thier acounts so Azuk come to defent his friend Ofc ban deserved i hope you acount not unbanned

trash sionJan 27, 201627 votes

Funny, because I'm in one ranked team and would love to show you screenshots of both my friends list and ranked teams to show that I have no affiliation with this guy.

That aside, even if I was his friend, it's obvious that I'm not offended by his chat, so the ban would still be undeserved... correct?

ModKnightsKemplarJan 27, 201627 votes

Well, as long as you're telling the truth, I hope they resolve it for you. In the future, your friends shouldn't treat the report system like a joke, though...

Players have been asking Riot to take language and toxicity more seriously for a long time. This is some of the only collateral that is even possible with system, so it would be nice to close that loophole. But it would also be nice to be able to trust your friends not to make Riot's job harder... lol. Good luck with things!

TruckFump2016Jan 28, 20164 votes

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Well, as long as you're telling the truth, I hope they resolve it for you. In the future, your friends shouldn't treat the report system like a joke, though...

Oh come on. People always say 'report so and so' in all.

Super known/famous/common joke.

GooglesJan 27, 201626 votes

Hey this is McGoogles, one of the friends from that game. I'm just here to confirm that everything that Dash Space Lord said is true. We're all friends and we just like to give each other a hard time in normals whenever someone makes a mistake or something, but it's all in good fun. Unfortunately, Dash Space Lord didn't have access to a mic that night, so he had to respond to our voice chat with text. I can see how the logs might make it look like he was just randomly flaming a few times that game since nobody was responding to him in team chat, but I can assure you this was not the case.

I'm pretty sure what caused my friend to get reported was one of our other friends jokingly saying something along the lines of "9x Dash Space Lord" (as I'm sure we've all seen happen on more than one occasion in a joking manner). The enemy team took it seriously though and actually went through with the reports.

To my knowledge, none of our friends were offended or hurt by what Dash Space Lord said. I just don't want my friend to lose his account over a misunderstanding about some fun with friends.

Protoform XJan 27, 20166 votes

If you and all of his other teammates from that game submit a ticket you may see results? I don't know what else one could possibly do...whoever on your team made the joke about reporting him must be feeling pretty bad right now...

Turtle JuiceJan 27, 20164 votes

They have all posted in this thread confirming that it was all a misunderstanding. And you're right the person who made the joke about reporting him did actually feel really bad lol.

Protoform XJan 27, 20164 votes

This thread is one thread in thousands. You all need to submit individual support tickets referring to each other player in the game by name and explaining the situation. It is VERY unlikely that this will be fixed on the boards, if not outright impossible.

TrídentJan 28, 20166 votes

That statement is actually really untrue. You're more likely to get unbanned if you make a thread than if you make a support ticket. If you make a thread, you'll probably get unbanned within a week If you're going through player support, you'll be lucky if you get unbanned in less than two months. Kinda sad.

jasonpwnJan 27, 201613 votes

@korillo I sincerely doubt you have friends you play with if you think no one sympathizes with you here.

I was part of the game that took place, and I can too confirm that the only thing that DSL did was leave for a few minutes because he had an important thing to take care of (which he said in SKYPE not in the game), so he left for a few. But during that few, we ended up losing because of course we needed him so we didn't have to 4v5, but it wasn't a big deal. As a joke, our friend said "report anivia," something that the guy says about me when I play with him in normals when I feed. HE always jokes, he's from oce, so he doesn't quite understand that people in NA take that stuff seriously (/meme).

Really though, as a reformed summoner myself, and as this guys good friend, I can say wholeheartedly that the actions this guy had to take were not worth the perma ban. The chat logs are hilarious given context, but without context actually look quite horrible. Of course the enemy team did not know we were premade, so they followed through with what our friend said.

All in all, he doesn't deserve to be perma banned for this, especially since after the ban he received prior to this one he took very seriously and has become much better in the chat.

Lightning SaixJan 27, 201612 votes

It's me, Lightning Saix (the real one) Just posting to confirm that we were giving Dash Space Lord shit in a Skype call all game and he was replying using the in-game chat as he didn't have a mic, it was all in good fun until people on the enemy team reported him for whatever reason. All of what he was saying was in team chat to our 5 man premade so it wasn't like the enemy team could see any of it. No one was offended by anything that was said. Thanks if anyone reading this thread has the power to sort it out for us, I miss playing with my best friend Philippe.

jasonpwnJan 27, 201610 votes

For those who think the was offensive to them, I am not sure that it is your place to take offense to the remarks. This game did not include you, nor was it directed to you or near your proximity. You are simply looking at a closed chat among friends, NOT taken to all chat, and the skype call was happening during the game. Seriously, it's not your business to critique the team chat because as it is among friends that the chat was happening, as long as the friends in the game were not taking it offensively (which they weren't), then it's not your right to take it offensively. The enemy team didn't receive any banter, at all, whatsoever. Your job is to see that this was an unfortunate mistake that occurred as a result of miscommunication from our friend group to the enemy team.

Angry MonsterJan 28, 201610 votes

First off you did not get banned for one game. So lets drop that myth first. They may of used that game as an example, but that was not the only time you acted that way

2nd why the fuck were you so dumb to put questionable writing in a place that you know has consequences? You are practically begging to be in trouble, banter or not.

3rd Your friends do not really seem like your friends since they costed you your account. They may not of reported you personally, but they got other to do so. Joke or not considering the consequences not a friend

CorgiParadeJan 28, 201610 votes

"First off you did not get banned for one game. So lets drop that myth first. They may of used that game as an example, but that was not the only time you acted that way"

Why do you think you have the right to say that? You don't know that, and I don't think you understand how Riot's reform cards work. They will place chat logs up to three games (if applicable) and never leave out other recent games.

"2nd why the fuck were you so dumb to put questionable writing in a place that you know has consequences? You are practically begging to be in trouble, banter or not. "

Yeah, no, he's not. THEY'RE HIS FRIENDS. HE SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHED FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME WITH HIS FRIENDS.

"3rd Your friends do not really seem like your friends since they costed you your account. They may not of reported you personally, but they got other to do so. Joke or not considering the consequences not a friend "

You do know what a friend is, right? A harmless joke turned into a bad outcome by a company full of idiots who thought of a terrible system does not make somebody a bad friend. You clearly do not have many people to hang out with.

I'm disgusted with the fact that people actually agreed with you and upvoted your comment.

FiruJan 28, 20163 votes

I'm willing to bet he didn't get banned for just one game. The odds of that happening are extremely (EXTREMELY) unlikely. Everyone who posts these threads think they're at the exception to that rule and that they were unjustly banned when Rioters often post responses with evidence that proves the contrary.

You don't have to agree with me. You can choose to think he was banned incorrectly and even was PERMANENTLY banned for just this one game and his behavior. That's you choice.

LaughingStaplerJan 28, 20164 votes

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I'm willing to bet he didn't get banned for just one game. The odds of that happening are extremely (EXTREMELY) unlikely. Everyone who posts these threads think they're at the exception to that rule and that they were unjustly banned when Rioters often post responses with evidence that proves the contrary.

You don't have to agree with me. You can choose to think he was banned incorrectly and even was PERMANENTLY banned for just this one game and his behavior. That's you choice.

Like, I said, it doesn't matter at all if there were other games as long as the game quoted as evidence was part of what tipped the system over the edge/threshold (which is certainly the case given the chat log and his previous account status). Would a cop be ethical in planting evidence because he's doing it to a "bad guy?" Past actions have literally zero bearing on the morality of using false evidence against someone. It is never fair for a false report to count against you, regardless of past behavior. Think of it like having one beer before driving (assuming it is under the legal limit). Your reaction time is probably still worse but infinitesimally so and you're not much of a worse driver. Now, if someone injects you with additional alcohol, puts you over the legal limit and then gets you arrested, would that be moral? Let's say that if you didn't drink at all before that, the alcohol injection isn't enough to get you in trouble.

Regardless of what he did in the past, his account status was not in question and we got that chat as evidence for why it is now banned. It's pretty obvious that it's grossly unethical to punish people for what they didn't do and if the threshold for a ban is met/moved closer to by a false report, that is not a justified ban. If the OP's chat wasn't used as part of the investigation, then it should not be provided as "evidence" and he should not be banned until legitimate evidence is presented.

BTW: While not really relevant here, the fact that false reports eventually get lower weighting doesn't mean that they start out that way. The first few false reports likely have equal weighting to that of any other player. Moreover, if someone makes false reports only very infrequently (perhaps out of spite against someone), the system probably won't flag them as someone with a low report weighting because it's not an established pattern of behavior. This is why it's important to have independent verification and a fair trial.

EsRoEnJan 29, 20163 votes

dude...look riot has a pathetic way of resolving issues. they want people to be quite and pretend they enjoy playing this shit. but is clear to everyone you can only enjoy lol in a 5man premade game. if not, 98% of your games are just sickening. problem comes because of their matchmaking system (that they dont want to resolve because they get lots of money with people being FORCED in bad situations, and FORCED to get mad). they get them banned as soon as possible and people in 90% of cases create other accounts. you can see from that pathetic lie that "you are among 0,06% of lol players that have been banned for extreme toxicity" or something like that , that appears when you are banned. we all know the lvl of toxicity and how many players get banned and is not 0,06%! also riot does a pathetic job on analyzing the chat logs. They do anything possible to have your words out of context. What they are doing is like for example: a burglar comes into your house, threatens your family with a gun, and because you had to knock him out or something, you get punished for it! They tell you: “ok, he did not had the right to do that, BUT LOOK HOW YOU ACTED! YOU ARE A BAD PERSON YOU DID HARM TO ANOTHER GUY WHO MAYBE HAD A BAD DAY AND DECIDED TO TAKE IT OUT ON YOUR FAMILY”… this is riot’s conception of justice.

my own experience: I have lots of friends playing lol, they ALL curse, and flame in 90% of their games, but they play like 2 games per day, 3..4..5 days a week. Except when some of them did some homophobic comments and got chat banned, they never get banned. Me on the other hand I play between 4 to 10 hours, every day! I get reported for “TOXIC” because I am laughing at a guy who is asking for report in our team when he is 1/9 and refusing to cooperate the entire game, who curses us, and because I use sarcasm as my way of telling that guy he is bad, or sometimes even tell it straight in the face to shut up cause he sucks, his attitude and kda prove it, I get banned! The 3 games that appear in my “accusation cases” are like this.. or in one because (I had to suppose) I speak to much. I had a game with a newbie where I was trying to explain him how to farm, items to take, etc.. I got banned for toxic when actually I was helping him. A dude who did not understand my language reported me and tribunal who obviously did not understand a word also decided that talking to much is bannable.

riot should GROW UP A BIT, and understand that is a competitive game and they do nothing to even the games, they have a pathetic matchamking system that brings togheter people who have a 3/10/1 kda rate with people that bearly die in any game (win or loose), just because they are both silver or whatever. they have a very frustrating matchmaking and they punish us , as I said before just for defending ourselves sometimes. so my point is: HOW MY FRIENDS NEVER GET BANNED if they curse, and i get banned for teaching someone to play? this prooves riot's systems are full of flaws and are obsolete. is like a society of 200 years ago. is pathetic and discusting!

LaughingStaplerJan 27, 20168 votes

Sadly, Riot doesn't punish people for clearly false reports and innocent players suffer by the time said player's report weighting is lowered. And it might not even be lowered if they only make blatantly false reports rarely. Then, we have stuff like this happen. Personally, I don't report for what I can't see myself.

SarutobiJan 27, 20164 votes

If you were in skype why did you need to use the chat in game? Things just aren't adding up. But if someone reports you and the chat shows you being toxic then it's clear you should be ban. You can banter between friends, but if someone reports you that's all on you. Doesn't matter the excuse because the chatlogs will show you being toxic!

Dash Space LordJan 27, 201620 votes

As I said my microphone was not working, so I could only hear them and not respond through voice, so I responded through team chat... These are all my friends and they can confirm this on their accounts

SarutobiJan 27, 20164 votes

it just doesnt make sense especially with how Riot does their bans now. If you were permaban it would have been with a 14 day ban and 2 chat restrictions before getting a perma ban. And even then this one game wouldnt have triggered a permaban unless the things you were saying were pretty messed up things. Even among friends some things just shouldnt be said. It would help more if you actually posted your chatlog. if it was among friends then it shouldnt have been that bad. just normal "toxic" chat, unless you were telling your friends to kill themselves. In which case, i just dont know what to say.

IMP PrideJan 27, 201624 votes

Did you even read anything other than the title? you asked why he needed to use the in game chat when he said his mic wasn't working. You asked for the chat logs when he had already posted them. please do everyone a favor and actually take the 2 minutes to read a post before making some uninformed comment.

SarutobiJan 27, 20161 votes

Sorry i really dislike links since majority of the time it links to useless things. people usually post their log within the topic itself!

Photos of GhostsJan 28, 20162 votes

But those can be fake. Not this official one.

PrometheSJan 28, 20161 votes

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But those can be fake. Not this official one.

look at the url bro, it's not fake

Sypher The PoroJan 28, 20163 votes

I believe he's referring to if OP had just Copy & Pasted the logs into the post rather than link an official email.

Photos of GhostsJan 28, 20162 votes

Precisely. Those (not this one, the others) can be fake. Not this official one.

ModPrandineJan 27, 20164 votes

For this one case, from what I saw in it this is what got you punished:

call me froggen michael or im afk do it ez DO IT U %%%GOT

Regardless if you were with friends there is no need to say stuff like this. Also, in order to get permabanned you have to have a history of being punished and refusing to change your behavior despite those punishments. You also weren't punished for just this one game alone, you were punished for consistent negative behavior across multiple games, and since all permabans are handed out by a Riot employee, they had to go through your entire account history and see that you had no interest in reforming for them to decide that a permaban was the right punishment for you. I know that you admit to being punished in the past in the OP, but it takes 3 months of not getting punished in order to drop down 1 punishment tier, and unfortunately for you this didn't happen.

A shame that this happened but you had multiple chances to reform and change your behavior for the better and you chose not to do so. If you would still like to dispute your ban then please feel free to open up a support ticket with Riot. I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors.

GooglesJan 27, 201610 votes

I am Michael and that is literally not offensive to me in any way whatsoever. I thought it was hilarious.

ModPrandineJan 27, 20162 votes

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I am Michael and that is literally not offensive to me in any way whatsoever. I thought it was hilarious.

It may not be offensive to you, but to others it is. I also forgot to include this in my OP here, but we only see what you say in the chat and no one else's.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

"I should not have been banned for bantering with my friends."

Just as Riot filters out numbers in many cases, they have a program that detects and removes banter between friends. (source (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=27042870#post27042870))

This is probably news to most people, but friendly banter is hidden from Tribunal in most cases... so you never see it in a case. This is partially why sometimes in a case file, it might look like there is missing chat or context.

upwaft75Jan 27, 20166 votes

It's also not offensive to me, nor did it offend anyone else in our group that was playing. We were saying the same exact thing in to him through Skype, that's how our group is and how we mess around with each other, so it doesn't matter if it offends others, because all of it was kept in team chat and was not seen by anyone outside of our 5 man premade prior to the ban.

What does this mean? Clearly riots automated system does not work the way you think it does seeing as it took the enemy reports as serious reports, and flagged what he was saying to us, the "detected banter", as an issue. If it really was hidden, that game would not have gotten him banned considering he stayed out of all chat specifically to avoid any risk of a ban, nor would chat logs from that game have been used to justify it, since it's apparently filtered.

420 StylishJan 27, 201611 votes

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For this one case, from what I saw in it this is what got you punished: or im afk do it ez DO IT U %%%GOT

Regardless if you were with friends there is no need to say stuff like this. Also, in order to get permabanned you have to have a history of being punished and refusing to change your behavior despite those punishments. You also weren't punished for just this one game alone, you were punished for consistent negative behavior across multiple games, and since all permabans are handed out by a Riot employee, they had to go through your entire account history and see that you had no interest in reforming for them to decide that a permaban was the right punishment for you. I know that you admit to being punished in the past in the OP, but it takes 3 months of not getting punished in order to drop down 1 punishment tier, and unfortunately for you this didn't happen.

A shame that this happened but you had multiple chances to reform and change your behavior for the better and you chose not to do so. If you would still like to dispute your ban then please feel free to open up a support ticket with Riot. I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors.

Get off your highhorse, christ.

MaratsuneJan 28, 20164 votes

"Your behavior means you are no longer welcome in the League of Legends community." Ooh. Shivers. That's some cold shit yo. Anywho, talking with friends or not, based on that chat log alone I can't see why you were permabanned. Doesn't even seem that bad; I've seen worse by people I wasn't friends with. I reported them and nothing.

TeemoJenkinsJan 27, 20163 votes

Not very good friends, since they reported you.

Dash Space LordJan 27, 201622 votes

It wasn't my friends who reported me, one of them jokingly said to report me in all chat, and the enemy team actually ended up doing so, but I spoke only in team chat.

C9 BuffBabyJan 28, 20163 votes

Riot permanently banned me also for next to nothing. Said to a Fiora "If you hate Gayren then why not ban him stupid.". Apparently saying "Gayren"(Garen) is a permaban offence. I think it's just creative("Gayren") and me calling the Fiora player "stupid" and a few other things was a lot less than what the summoner was saying in chat to both teams as they flamed. I'll tell you one thing though, if riot wants to be this soft about handing out bans don't spend another dollar on this game. Seems a bit fishy because they know people have multiple accounts. Almost like they just want you to spend more money on your other accounts once you buy everything for your main by handing out these weak excuses for Permanently banning accounts. Has the idiot who banned me even seen the last episode of ALL/CHAT when they had Garen dressed in the Star Guardian lux skin. They pretty much meant to make Garen look gay. BE SAFE WITH YOUR MONEY AND PLAYING RIOT GAMES, IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOUR ACCOUNT NEXT OVER A FEW WORDS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

FiruJan 28, 20161 votes

You weren't permanently banned off of one game. Don't exaggerate.

C9 BuffBabyJan 29, 20161 votes

How would you know?

FiruJan 29, 20161 votes

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How would you know?

Because Riot only bans people permanently if that one game was terribly, terribly, terribly toxic. Was it? If not, then no, you weren't banned for just one game.

PrometheSJan 29, 20162 votes

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Because Riot only bans people permanently if that one game was terribly, terribly, terribly toxic. Was it? If not, then no, you weren't banned for just one game.

Why does it matter if he has other toxic games? This is a thread about a particular chat log which obviously lead to the ban since Riot gave it to him and he wasn't banned before that. You can always find examples of toxicity in the past if you look hard enough but the fact that this is what ultimately moved the system to ban means it was undeserved. It doesn't matter if he has 100 examples of toxic behavior before. He didn't go to the limit where it thought a ban was appropriate until this game and since this game is an example of a false report, he shouldn't be banned. Simple!

ModPrandineJan 29, 20161 votes

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Why does it matter if he has other toxic games? This is a thread about a particular chat log which obviously lead to the ban since Riot gave it to him and he wasn't banned before that. You can always find examples of toxicity in the past if you look hard enough but the fact that this is what ultimately moved the system to ban means it was undeserved. It doesn't matter if he has 100 examples of toxic behavior before. He didn't go to the limit where it thought a ban was appropriate until this game and since this game is an example of a false report, he shouldn't be banned. Simple!

Why you ask? Because permanent bans are very rarely handed out for just one game alone. Riot doesn't hand out permabans for behavioral or gameplay issues until they go through the entire account history and deem that the person in question has no interest in reforming or interacting with others in a neutral or positive manner, so obviously it does matter if a person has a history of acting up, being punished and not taking those punishments seriously enough to change their behavior for the better. Also, since this game was included in the Reform Card it couldn't have been a false report since false reports are thrown out and don't count.

PrometheSJan 29, 20163 votes

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Why you ask? Because permanent bans are very rarely handed out for just one game alone. Riot doesn't hand out permabans for behavioral or gameplay issues until they go through the entire account history and deem that the person in question has no interest in reforming or interacting with others in a neutral or positive manner, so obviously it does matter if a person has a history of acting up, being punished and not taking those punishments seriously enough to change their behavior for the better. Also, since this game was included in the Reform Card it couldn't have been a false report since false reports are thrown out and don't count.

Right, but none of that has any relevance. It's silly to even mention it. If the investigation takes into account a false report as a positive, that's still unfair. Nothing else in his past is relevant here UNLESS the system would have banned him anyway. That's like if someone steals a pen and then you punish them when someone else steals a car because "sure he didn't steal the car but we did find him stealing that pen."

Since his account wasn't banned, this wasn't the case. He got the warning right after that game and the chat logs too. If it weren't for that game, he would still be unbanned. Whether you agree or not with whatever past behavior he had, the system didn't previously consider it toxic enough to actually warrant a permanent ban until this game.

Also, assuming "false reports don't count" is nonsense. If someone FREQUENTLY makes false reports then it won't do much of anything but if they rarely report and then just decide to make a false report one day, it definitely counts. Do you think Riot has 100 monkeys on coke reading every message? Come on... it's such a naive and guaranteed incorrect view to think that all false reports bear no weight.

slippykittenJan 28, 20163 votes

Clearly the people reviewing these logs are intensely sensitive homosexuals. They so clearly lose any sense of reason when they see even the slightest notion of homophobic language. Get off your gay soapbox riot, stop trying to change the world, and let friends actually have fun when they are playing a friggin video game.

FiruJan 29, 20161 votes

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Clearly the people reviewing these logs are intensely sensitive homosexuals. They so clearly lose any sense of reason when they see even the slightest notion of homophobic language. Get off your gay soapbox riot, stop trying to change the world, and let friends actually have fun when they are playing a friggin video game.

Wow. I hope your trolling because this post is incredibly ignorant.

PrometheSJan 29, 20163 votes

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Wow. I hope your trolling because this post is incredibly ignorant.

Is is it really that ignorant when apparently any discussion of sexual orientation can get you banned? And "Gayren" leading to a ban... come on. There are several types of homophobic. One is hating a certain group and the other one is being afraid to openly discuss anything about them. We have no reservation talking about straight people so why is it taboo to use the word gay and discuss it. That's a form of homoPHOBIA.

FiruJan 29, 20161 votes

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Is is it really that ignorant when apparently any discussion of sexual orientation can get you banned? And "Gayren" leading to a ban... come on. There are several types of homophobic. One is hating a certain group and the other one is being afraid to openly discuss anything about them. We have no reservation talking about straight people so why is it taboo to use the word gay and discuss it. That's a form of homoPHOBIA.

First off, in the original post with the "Gayren" comment - are you arguing that he used that name in any other way besides being insulting?

And how are comments like the ones below furthering a positive discussion about sexuality?

Clearly the people reviewing these logs are intensely sensitive homosexuals

Get off your gay soapbox riot

That post wasn't a conversation about sexuality - it was a rant.

PrometheSJan 29, 20162 votes

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First off, in the original post with the "Gayren" comment - are you arguing that he used that name in any other way besides being insulting?

And how are comments like the ones below furthering a positive discussion about sexuality?

That post wasn't a conversation about sexuality - it was a rant.

Yes, "Gayren" doesn't have to be abusive. You could be discussing champions and he might not have even been in the game. "Blind picked Riven and didn't have to face Gayren! Whew!" etc. Besides, even if it was meant to be insulting, there's no way in hell that deserves a punishment by itself. "Oh wow, someone made a bad pun and included sexuality in it! I'm SO offended! Please ban this incredibly toxic player, whah, cry tears" Really?

That's basically banning people for bad jokes if it's all that it was. If he wrote, this "Heteriktor" talking about Viktor, would that be bannable too? It's not different at all and if you attribute first as more toxic, that's just your own homophobia manifesting since it's equally innocent in objective terms. Likewise, if someone wrote "Homoviktor" I bet you'd find that more offensive even though it's not at all objectively. What does that even mean? It's just the same as Heterviktor but applying to homosexuals instead of heterosexuals. Unless you're homophobic, why would that be any more offensive to you? So yes, there is CLEARLY a double standard here in discussions of sexual orientation and what you can say.

What you're quoting doesn't even have any relevance. I'm talking about in-game not on forums.

FreshAsFebrezeJan 27, 20162 votes

Nothing against you, just curious cause Rito hates that "f....t" word and hate speech, were you calling your friends that in team chat?

Lightning SaixJan 27, 20169 votes

yeah we were all talking shit to each other in skype (all in good humor) and he was replying to us in team chat, not all chat as he couldn't communicate to us using skype.