Thoughts from the community?

LegitMelonhead·Jun 24, 2019·1 votes·1,638 views

This is the ticket I sent to support in response to my chat restriction. Or very close to it (small edits since copy/paste). Thoughts? I'm never on the forums so I assume y'all know a lot more about this than me.

Teammates blatantly said they were going to report me for racism (ridiculous by itself - twice as ridiculous if you consider that support can check the logs). I think I'm the victim of some automatic anti-racism flagging. I've got the logs of what I said. Maybe you can check the logs for the game and hit the players who are abusing the report system? They blatantly said they were going to lie about it.

While I'm no angel, the worst of the bunch is either directed at myself, or in one case the reaction to a troll. Here's the chat logs with notations. I don't think this is punishment-worthy. Game 1 In-Game

LegitMelonhead: Jesus. Must have been brain dead in champ select. Banned renekton for some reason. Ah well. ********** I am the one who banned Renekton. I was talking about myself. ********** LegitMelonhead: I was on reddit. shit rots your brain. that must be it ********** Reddit rots my brain but I go there. ********** LegitMelonhead: why's he still up there? LegitMelonhead: getting gold LegitMelonhead: watching the jg take 300g from me LegitMelonhead: the usual LegitMelonhead: are you fucking kidding me dude ********** Zac jumped into lane, took the cs, stayed for a wave, jumped on the krugs I was taking (common thing for trynds) ******** LegitMelonhead: aight, top lane is yours LegitMelonhead: top open ********** Top was open. Couldn't go back there when Zac would jump in for CS. Would have gone 0/15 ********** LegitMelonhead: root? somethign? ********** Not exactly an insult, but I was in bushes waiting for Neeko to root Ori but she ignored ********** LegitMelonhead: if you take a big wave for no reason, don't dive onto the top laner who's getting krugs to compensate ********** Standard. ********** LegitMelonhead: especially if it's 2 minutes after you miss an E-Q combo LegitMelonhead: Just giving some common sense pointers to zac LegitMelonhead: I can dream, no? ********** much time passes here ********** LegitMelonhead: man, I went negative ********** My KDA dropped to <1 ********** LegitMelonhead: ran there from base why you pinging me? ********** fight brewing at inhib tower. I based and ran straight there but Draven had died and was spam pinging me ********** LegitMelonhead: i cry, so you go 0/1400 ********** Draven player fed his laner, said my crying was why he died. I question that logic. ********** LegitMelonhead: he has rift ********** Alerting the team! TEAM PLAYER HERE. ********** LegitMelonhead: lel LegitMelonhead: Well, I took my spanking. ********** After enemy said "bad trynd no cookie" (or something ) for trying to kill them. ********** LegitMelonhead: bruh, zac taxed like 20cs from me wtf are you talking about. then the krugs I was killing LegitMelonhead: I'm 30 down from where I'd be without jg "help" LegitMelonhead: besides, you can't bait a trynd with "where's your cs" when half of trynding is dancing and collecting xp in a losing situation then scaling ********** Not wrong. ********** LegitMelonhead: crying lol LegitMelonhead: all you two boys can do is try to god mode me b/c your minds are so weak ********** Seriously - THIS is all they get in response?! This is a factual commentary on what they were saying and "weak-minded" is hardly toxicity incarnate. I'm hit with a barrage of toxicity and THIS is the worst I give back?! I should get an extra honor level! ********** LegitMelonhead: nah dude, game's a write-off LegitMelonhead: team toxic af. was over at 14:00 ********** They were. It was. Enemies were pretty cool. ********** LegitMelonhead: Zac must be from a coastal state. all his insults begin with attempts to diagnose. lol LegitMelonhead: I'll agree with that LegitMelonhead: gg LegitMelonhead: wp LegitMelonhead: report trynd for typing LegitMelonhead: apparently

Not really anything in that game punish-worthy, right?

Post-Game LegitMelonhead: np gl ********** Here I wished someone GL with their promos. **********

Game 2

In-Game LegitMelonhead: lel ********** Kayn flashed to KS me. Thought it was funny stuff. ********** LegitMelonhead: instruct about red not typically being a farming tool and lvl 2 ganks too ********** One of his buddies had given him a bit of advice so I banted here a bit. Didn't know he was actual troll. ********** LegitMelonhead: dang you gonna ks and not even krug me? kay ********** Then walled-into the krug I'd taken to low hp and smited. ********** LegitMelonhead: I didn't think vikings were so fragile ********** Bants with Olaf ********** LegitMelonhead: wurf LegitMelonhead: you have more smite ate the ready, dipshit? ********** Situation: The 2nd time I was stealing an enemy jungle camp, and the second time Kayn ducked in, smited, ducked out. Only this time he headed straight for a fight. Which he lost - in part, because he was following me around smiting camps I was stealing. ********** LegitMelonhead: fucking hell guys it's literally 4v5 and you're losing LegitMelonhead: well step it up! I BELIEEEEEVE IN YOUUUUUU ********** See? TEAM PLAYER HERE. You can check the times on these they're right after one another. ********** LegitMelonhead: it ain't easy keeping two jungles clear. I'm busy LegitMelonhead: not with no essence reaver. you win. with, trynd wins ********** Enemy wanted to race me. ********** LegitMelonhead: I'm anti-trolling ********** Pretty sure I won us the game by forcing the fed Kayn to leave the jungle. Also I had to take a call. ********** LegitMelonhead: yes i am ********** I was. ********** LegitMelonhead: pls LegitMelonhead: eh, kayn can carry ********** He could. And did. ********** LegitMelonhead: Hey. was the race to 0 hp? If so... you won. LegitMelonhead: :D ********** Enemy asked if I wanted to race earlier. I said this when I killed her. We both lol'ed and smiley faced. This was a positive interaction. ********** LegitMelonhead: 1/6 demon headed yalls way ********** I'm talking about ME here. I'm giving my own disgracefully low KDA. This is ME, the 1/6 demon. ********** LegitMelonhead: nah I was actually in a deep phone conversationo I was only a little salty nuts about kayn smiting two jg camps from me LegitMelonhead: which... you shouldn't do Post-Game LegitMelonhead: hell if I trolled every time a jg was a butt, I'd have a 5% win rate. LegitMelonhead: kek ********** I think calling someone who dips in - smites - dips out, a "butt" is pretty darn tame. **********

Well, there you have it. Pretty sure I was auto-restricted because the players in game 1 reported me for racism - because, apparently, that works. This isn't exactly toxic stuff I'm saying here - and the most toxic stuff I'm saying is about my own poor performance! And the on time I said we were still losing I followed up with "I BELIEEEEEEEVE IN YOUUUUUU"

It's got to be some auto anti-racism thing. Please look into and/or fix this I know I'm no angel, and I should /mute all more often, but I'm CERTAINLY not racist and rarely ever approach anything that could be called remotely full-on-toxic. And I used to be fairly toxic so I consider my collected reformation attitude a milestone. This incident flies in the face of that pretty hard.

Thanks for your time.

11 Comments

HotarµJun 24, 20196 votes

Teammates blatantly said they were going to report me for racism (ridiculous by itself - twice as ridiculous if you consider that support can check the logs). I think I'm the victim of some automatic anti-racism flagging. I've got the logs of what I said. Maybe you can check the logs for the game and hit the players who are abusing the report system? They blatantly said they were going to lie about it.

The system is entirely automated meaning if you didn't behave in a racist way you'll never receive a punishment when someone tries reports you for that behavior.

Also, if you received a standard chat restriction on your first offense that means it wasn't for racism, as those punishments always result in an instant 2-week ban.

While I'm no angel, the worst of the bunch is either directed at myself, or in one case the reaction to a troll. Here's the chat logs with notations. I don't think this is punishment-worthy.

Riot and most of the community disagrees with that statement.

For starters, Riot doesn't want negativity in any capacity meaning it doesn't matter if you're responding to a troll or being the aggressor, everyone is subject to punishment if they break the rules. You can respond to them constructively or civilly but the second you stoop to their level you're opening yourself up to reports of your own.

These chat logs aren't heinous, but they've definitely got some light negativity and passive-aggressiveness which would usually warrant a punishment.

LegitMelonheadJun 24, 20191 votes

I agree there's light negativity, but this threshold is too low. This is elementary school levels of mommy-state monitoring of what should be a competitive environment. Of course there's got to be a line, sure, but... KYS - way over the line. Are you fucking kidding me, dude? - apparently, also way over the line but I honestly can't imagine this level of fragility in myself so I find it difficult to relate.

It is what it is, though.

edit What's the odds on the people who said, in chat, they were going to lie about me to get me banned - which btw, WORKED - getting banned, I wonder. 1Million:1?

zPOOPzJun 24, 20193 votes

What's the odds on the people who said, in chat, they were going to lie about me to get me banned - which btw, WORKED - getting banned, I wonder. 1Million:1?

Considering the IFS (automated system) is the one who judged and gave you the punishment, the odd of someone able to lie to the IFS to you get banned is about 1 in LMFAO

HotarµJun 24, 20194 votes

This is elementary school levels of mommy-state monitoring of what should be a competitive environment.

The rules boil down to "Don't insult others."

You can swear (albeit not directed at anyone), banter competitively, and say anything aside from a few keywords. If that's "elementary school levels of mommy-state monitoring", League might not be the game for you.

Riot has no plans to change their rules and the overwhelming majority of players have absolutely no problem following them. You can adhere to the very simple rules or continue wasting your time and money by receiving multiple punishments.

It's your choice.

What's the odds on the people who said, in chat, they were going to lie about me to get me banned - which btw, WORKED - getting banned, I wonder. 1Million:1?

Considering the logs you posted were inherently negative and they violated the rules, it makes sense that you would receive a punishment.

It's not like you stayed completely silent or positive all game and then received a punishment. Those players didn't influence the system to give you a punishment you didn't deserve, you broke the rules and got punished accordingly.

LegitMelonheadJun 24, 20191 votes

"mommy-state levels" is objective - this IS. League not being the game for me is subjective. I went out of my way to say it is what it is, and that my opinion was that this was over the line. Not looking for a lecture on a reality I already know exists, but I could tell you had it in your quickdraw holster. You may go now.

HotarµJun 24, 20193 votes

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"mommy-state levels" is objective - this IS.

No, actually, the majority of the community (98%+) has no problem abiding by the rules and they don't complain about them. Most people tend to receive one punishment and never any after that because they know how to control themselves.

Objectively speaking, our rules work and the majority of the playerbase takes no issue with them.

League not being the game for me is subjective.

If you can't abide by the rules, it's not.

I went out of my way to say it is what it is, and that my opinion was that this was over the line. Not looking for a lecture on a reality I already know exists, but I could tell you had it in your quickdraw holster.

Nobody is lecturing you here. You asked for thoughts from the community, and our consensus is that this behavior is unacceptable. League is a team game and you shouldn't spend all game bickering with your teammates, players want polite and respectful teammates to work with.

Again, follow the rules or don't. If you choose not to, you're just going to keep wasting your time, effort, and money. That's the reality here.

You may go now.

That is just adorable.

LegitMelonheadJun 24, 20191 votes

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No, actually, the majority of the community (98%+) has no problem abiding by the rules and they don't complain about them. Most people tend to receive one punishment and never any after that because they know how to control themselves.

This is called "conditional probability fallacy". Cows kill more people than wolves every year. That does not mean a cow is inherently more dangerous than a wolf. I doubt even 2% of players bother to get on the forum. Saying that means 98% of players like things just fine the way they are is ridiculous.

Objectively speaking, our rules work and the majority of the playerbase takes no issue with them. Of course the rules work, Riot is the one making them. There's no debate here. But you have zero evidence that the majority of the playerbase takes no issue with them. Issue a chat restriction for any player that gives the same light negativity I did - you'll find that (imaginary) 98% dry up pretty fast.

If you can't abide by the rules, it's not. Didn't say I couldn't. Offered an opinion and you broke out your quickdraw lecture.

Nobody is lecturing you here. You asked for thoughts from the community, and our consensus is that this behavior is unacceptable. League is a team game and you shouldn't spend all game bickering with your teammates, players want polite and respectful teammates to work with. You're right, but you're TRYING to lecture me. I asked for thoughts originally. Then we talked. Then I offered my opinion that the threshold is too low. And then you attempted. And here you are attempting again "league is a team game" and all that. If someone else wrote what you wrote, you'd wonder what relevance it has and why they're continuing to attempt to lecture someone who just came here curious about "negativity" thresholds.

Again, follow the rules or don't. If you choose not to, you're just going to keep wasting your time, effort, and money. That's the reality here. Never said I wouldn't, couldn't - but I thought I did but didn't. And who are YOU to talk about wasting time - here's (failed) lecture #3.

That is just adorable. I'll repeat it then: You may go now.

HotarµJun 24, 20195 votes

This is called "conditional probability fallacy". Cows kill more people than wolves every year. That does not mean a cow is inherently more dangerous than a wolf. I doubt even 2% of players bother to get on the forum. Saying that means 98% of players like things just fine the way they are is ridiculous.

Compliance and a lack of complaints is generally a good indicator that a system is working and that it's intended clientele is content.

Think logically. If the punishment system were really that bad and widely panned, there would be more widespread outrage. The Boards, Reddit, and Twitter amongst other platforms would be bombarded with protests and heated arguments.

Do you know what we have instead? A minute amount of posts on the Boards (and the Boards alone) by people who have just received punishment and as a result they're trying to find fault with the system because they couldn't possibly be in the wrong.

Sound familiar?

Of course the rules work, Riot is the one making them. There's no debate here. But you have zero evidence that the majority of the playerbase takes no issue with them. Issue a chat restriction for any player that gives the same light negativity I did - you'll find that (imaginary) 98% dry up pretty fast.

The reason I brought up the 98%+ statistic is because less than 1-2% of players are toxic enough to receive punishment. (Factually supported by permanent suspension reform cards.) If the overwhelming majority of the community can abide by the rules without it impacting their gameplay experience, why can't you? And how exactly is that indicative of there being "zero evidence" that the punishment system is reasonable?

Didn't say I couldn't. Offered an opinion and you broke out your quickdraw lecture. You're right, but you're TRYING to lecture me. I asked for thoughts originally. Then we talked. Then I offered my opinion that the threshold is too low. And then you attempted. And here you are attempting again "league is a team game" and all that. If someone else wrote what you wrote, you'd wonder what relevance it has and why they're continuing to attempt to lecture someone who just came here curious about "negativity" thresholds.

How exactly does my comment about working with your allies not directly correlate to negativity thresholds?

You were negative in game. Your teammates reported your account and you were found to exhibit rule breaking behavior. The community set the precedent for the IFS as it's parameters were based off of the Tribunal. Your negativity was found to be below the level of acceptable by the majority of the community who helped forge the rules in the first place.

Pretty simple.

Also, side note, I love how because you disagree with what I'm saying that means I'm just "attempting" to debate, as if all of my points weren't validated by statistical and or anecdotal evidence. It's cute.

Never said I wouldn't, couldn't - but I thought I did but didn't. And who are YOU to talk about wasting time - here's (failed) lecture #3. I'll repeat it then: You may go now.

I love how you keep bringing up debates and lectures but you show absolutely no respect or grace whatsoever.

This is the part where you say something like "Well you're not respecting me by saying _____" and then we go back and forth and so on and so forth. Let's cut all that out and I'll leave you with some facts before I end this conversation:

Your behavior is unacceptable as deemed by both Riot and the community.
Continued infractions will lead to more and more severe punishments, up to and including a permanent suspension.
If you want to continue fighting the rules, you're going to continue wasting your time, effort, and potentially money. And even though you've been very rude and dismissive, I don't want to see you do that. I hope you can improve your behavior.
To dispute the rules you need widespread support, something the community will not give you as they have agreed upon the rules for the IFS through their own display of punishments as doled out by the Tribunal.

Good luck and have a great day!

zPOOPzJun 24, 20193 votes

Game 1 In-Game

LegitMelonhead: Jesus. Must have been brain dead in champ select. Banned renekton for some reason. Ah well. LegitMelonhead: I was on reddit. shit rots your brain. that must be it LegitMelonhead: why's he still up there? LegitMelonhead: getting gold LegitMelonhead: watching the jg take 300g from me LegitMelonhead: the usual LegitMelonhead: are you fucking kidding me dude LegitMelonhead: aight, top lane is yours LegitMelonhead: top open LegitMelonhead: root? somethign? LegitMelonhead: if you take a big wave for no reason, don't dive onto the top laner who's getting krugs to compensate LegitMelonhead: especially if it's 2 minutes after you miss an E-Q combo LegitMelonhead: Just giving some common sense pointers to zac LegitMelonhead: I can dream, no? LegitMelonhead: man, I went negative LegitMelonhead: ran there from base why you pinging me? LegitMelonhead: i cry, so you go 0/1400 LegitMelonhead: he has rift LegitMelonhead: lel LegitMelonhead: Well, I took my spanking. LegitMelonhead: bruh, zac taxed like 20cs from me wtf are you talking about. then the krugs I was killing LegitMelonhead: I'm 30 down from where I'd be without jg "help" LegitMelonhead: besides, you can't bait a trynd with "where's your cs" when half of trynding is dancing and collecting xp in a losing situation then scaling LegitMelonhead: crying lol LegitMelonhead: all you two boys can do is try to god mode me b/c your minds are so weak LegitMelonhead: nah dude, game's a write-off LegitMelonhead: team toxic af. was over at 14:00 LegitMelonhead: Zac must be from a coastal state. all his insults begin with attempts to diagnose. lol LegitMelonhead: I'll agree with that LegitMelonhead: gg LegitMelonhead: wp LegitMelonhead: report trynd for typing LegitMelonhead: apparently

Post-Game LegitMelonhead: np gl

Game 2

In-Game LegitMelonhead: lel LegitMelonhead: instruct about red not typically being a farming tool and lvl 2 ganks too LegitMelonhead: dang you gonna ks and not even krug me? kay LegitMelonhead: I didn't think vikings were so fragile LegitMelonhead: wurf LegitMelonhead: you have more smite ate the ready, dipshit? LegitMelonhead: fucking hell guys it's literally 4v5 and you're losing LegitMelonhead: well step it up! I BELIEEEEEVE IN YOUUUUUU LegitMelonhead: it ain't easy keeping two jungles clear. I'm busy LegitMelonhead: not with no essence reaver. you win. with, trynd wins LegitMelonhead: I'm anti-trolling LegitMelonhead: yes i am LegitMelonhead: pls LegitMelonhead: eh, kayn can carry LegitMelonhead: Hey. was the race to 0 hp? If so... you won. LegitMelonhead: :D LegitMelonhead: 1/6 demon headed yalls way LegitMelonhead: nah I was actually in a deep phone conversationo I was only a little salty nuts about kayn smiting two jg camps from me LegitMelonhead: which... you shouldn't do

Post-Game LegitMelonhead: hell if I trolled every time a jg was a butt, I'd have a 5% win rate. LegitMelonhead: kek