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WTF? IS THIS EVEN REMOTELY ENOUGH TO GET A PERMA BAN?

intense··1 votes·2,876 views

im actually so fucking pissed off, ive spent probably around $800 on this account and I havent been suspended in at least over 5 months or something. I just had a game where teemo was banned so I was kinda grumpy at the beginning plus a khazix was being a dick, here are the logs. (Kha was the only one to report me and it was basically an instant perma ban, it was under 5 minutes after I was out of the game, my team also thought i wasnt toxic as i got 2 honors after the game ended.)

Game 1 In-Game intense: we lost intense: stoip intense: stfu intense: reoirt kha intense: report intense: and cait intense: report my whole tam intense: team intense: youre a random intense: gank me intense: you said no to an easy gank youre trolling intense: nope intense: kha inting intense: report kha for givinjg up intense: why would i vote no intense: faster out of this game with a troll jg the better intense: its the thirst thirstiest time of the year intense: yuh intense: aye intense: i have just one query intense: want a sprite cranberry intense: the answer is clear intense: its the thirst thirstiest time of the year intense: ? intense: i voted yes intense: youre 0/7 but im the troll? intense: kha 1/6 intense: dude you are right riot will ban me for taking krugs intense: im so scared intense: ? intense: im literally doing better than you intense: in what way am i trolling intense: like actually intense: ??? intense: maybe if you didnt feed intense: we woulda had a chance intense: i was top the entire time intense: how is it my fault youre doing bad intense: youre in denial at your own lack of skill intense: so you look for someone to blame it on intense: youre the only one reporting me

Is this even worth an instant perma ban? the only thing I said that could be considered offensive was "stfu" but i was getting spammed missing ping for using flash to kill morde. The 2 people flaming me (kha and cait) were the 2 doing the worst on the team. I wasnt trolling and I wasnt inting.

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KFCeytron8 votes

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the matches that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several matches. You might see three matches, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Did you find something in Riot's store allowing you to break the ToS? No, because such a service is not offered. Regardless of how much money you spend, you are required to follow the same rules as everyone else. If the IFS determines that you've been validly reported in violation of those rules, you'll be punished according to those rules. If you wanted to avoid a punishment, you should've followed the rules.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.

Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.

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the only thing I said that could be considered offensive was "stfu"

Actually, most of your chat was devoted to arguing with your team, calling for reports, calling out teammates' scores, giving up, blaming your team for the loss, calling teammates unskilled, and so on. The only non-negative thing you said was the non-sequitur rhyme (one query sprite cranberry etc.).

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but i was getting spammed missing ping for using flash to kill morde. The 2 people flaming me (kha and cait) were the 2 doing the worst on the team.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

A low score per se isn't punishable by anything other than a lower chance of winning that match.

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I wasnt trolling and I wasnt inting.

True, but you were toxic in chat, which is also against the rules. You do this habitually with no indication that you'd ever change, so Riot permabanned your account.

SweetShiroNeko1 votes

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You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the matches that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several matches. You might see three matches, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Did you find something in Riot's store allowing you to break the ToS? No, because such a service is not offered. Regardless of how much money you spend, you are required to follow the same rules as everyone else. If the IFS determines that you've been validly reported in violation of those rules, you'll be punished according to those rules. If you wanted to avoid a punishment, you should've followed the rules.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

Actually, most of your chat was devoted to arguing with your team, calling for reports, calling out teammates' scores, giving up, blaming your team for the loss, calling teammates unskilled, and so on. The only non-negative thing you said was the non-sequitur rhyme (one query sprite cranberry etc.).

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

A low score per se isn't punishable by anything other than a lower chance of winning that match.

True, but you were toxic in chat, which is also against the rules. You do this habitually with no indication that you'd ever change, so Riot permabanned your account.

I dont see you proving your assumptions. Or should I call you a murderer and copy paste random crap from your country laws and call that proof?

rujitra11 votes

What assumptions? They assumed nothing. They explained how the system worked to the OP, and then you come along and don't provide anything useful except a false assertion that they were lying.

MagicFlyingLlama4 votes

You almost certainly got multiple warnings in the past, including one that cant be skipped and clearly states any further infractions will result in a ban.

So what did you do? You did nothing but flame for an entire game. GG.

intense1 votes

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You almost certainly got multiple warnings in the past, including one that cant be skipped and clearly states any further infractions will result in a ban.

So what did you do? You did nothing but flame for an entire game. GG.

I understand riot doesn’t care about context, but I was honestly the least toxic person on our team aside from 1 player. Most of my “toxic” messages were in response to khazix flaming tf out of me for no reason. I’m just saying sometimes context matters.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

No amount of "context" can explain you flaming all game.

intense1 votes

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No amount of "context" can explain you flaming all game.

except it can. I was being flamed with way worse, vulgar language and my messages were just responses to what I was being flamed for.

Tanerian3 votes

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except it can. I was being flamed with way worse, vulgar language and my messages were just responses to what I was being flamed for.

I manage to not get banned every single time my teammates flame me. So far I've been banned/restricted... hm.. 0 times out of the numerous times I've been flamed in 5000+ games.

There is one key aspect that has helped me. One thing I was able to understand that so many others don't, or won't.

You don't have to respond to flames.

It's actually really simple.

Also. There is nothing in the rules that says you only get punished for flaming if you "started it", and nothing that protects you from being banned if you did not.

So no, the context of the game does not matter. You could have ignored them, and we would not be here.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

That does nothing to justify it. You dont get bonus points for escalation.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

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I understand riot doesn’t care about context,

>goes on to say that they should've looked at the context

intense1 votes

Saying they don’t care about context and saying why context matters is different and I never said they should’ve looked at the context.

Únholy2 votes

Bro,

Embrace the whip.

Regards, Bro

Upgrades2 votes

Are you a masochist? Your recent thread post and now this comment has me thinking.. xD

RIP my 139001 votes

I didn't even finish reading the first 10 lines of the chat log and I knew you had already broken rules. Asking to get your teammates reported is a bannable offense. If you have a history of unsportsmanlike behaviour, this just adds more fuel to the fire and will get you banned.

I'm not sure why people complain that they get perma'd on accounts that they have spent money on. No amount of money can be used as leverage to dodge bans. Paying for in-game content doesn't warrant you being toxic in chat in any way. I can understand your frustration because you lost all that paid content, but considering you have to offend consistently to get banned, I say you deserve it.

intense1 votes

The last time I was punished had to be more than half a year ago, I really am not a toxic player lol.

RIP my 139001 votes

Congratulations? Your ban history isn't relevant; if you break the summoner code, you get banned.

Quiet Dude1 votes

If you haven't had a history of negative behavior or haven't received a 2 week ban in the past, then no. Maybe a lighter consequence. But because you show a clear history of toxicity and a refusal to improve, then yes.

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