Take away Permanent Ban

Finnessed·Jun 16, 2016·1 votes·1,182 views

I do not believe a permanent ban is appropriate for toxic players. People who are toxic were originally people who loved the game but was soon conflicted by someone else's actions. To provide a better environment, Riot should permanently remove the chat option for those who can not prevent themselves from verbally abusing someone. Keep in mind that people do spend lots of money on this game, and banning their access to their account is rather unfair. Reports regarding trolling and afk should lead to permanent ban. But reports regarding toxicity should lead to permanent chat ban.

19 Comments

TrulyBlandJun 16, 20165 votes

Time has shown that permanent chat restrictions don't work. Ultimately, quite a few people that would be hit by permanent chat restrictions would still end up permanently banned, because they resolved to other forms of toxicity once they could no longer chat.

redniwediSJun 16, 20165 votes

People who are toxic are given multiple warnings to change their behavior. If they choose to ignore these warnings that is when the permanent ban comes out.

They are allowed a near infinite number of second chances with making new accounts. That's far more kind than I would be if I were in charge of player punishments.

Savage DeviJun 16, 20164 votes

People who are toxic were originally people who loved the game but was soon conflicted by someone else's actions.

This is blatantly untrue. Sometimes people are just assholes.

To provide a better environment, Riot should permanently remove the chat option for those who can not prevent themselves from verbally abusing someone.

First of all, this doesn't prevent abuse. Those people would simply resort to ping spamming or griefing via gameplay, both of which are much worse options. Secondly, this does nothing but harm teamplay. There's a reason we don't have chat bans in the game, rather chat restrictions. Removing the chat entirely does nothing but arbitrarily cripple communication, you're not telling your tank to focus on MR over Armor via fucking morse code.

Keep in mind that people do spend lots of money on this game, and banning their access to their account is rather unfair.

It isn't.

Rustling BushJun 16, 20164 votes

its called having a sense of control, you don't have that then you don't get to play.

FinnessedJun 16, 20161 votes

I know people who have spent $1000+ on the game and they get banned for verbal abuse. Shouldn't they still have access to an account on which they spent a surplus amount of money to enhance their experience of the game? To prevent verbal abuse, they should take away their privilege to chat.

Savage DeviJun 16, 20161 votes

We already told you chat bans don't work.

redniwediSJun 16, 20165 votes

No. They signed an agreement that gives Riot full rights to the account. Riot can take away access or limit it in any way they want.

Plus the money spent was spent. The owner of those accounts has no rights to it after the money leaves their hands. It doesn't matter how much you spend, once it leaves your hands it no longer matters.

If you don't want to lose your account then there's really only one thing you can do; follow the very simple rules Riot has laid out.

RedTaoJun 16, 20161 votes

There are people out there following the rules yet still getting banned. Look at the people in boards getting banned for not saying anything. They're sent tickets saying they said something players didn't like yet their chat cards are blank.

You dont have to break the rules to get banned. Everything is dictated by the people who submit reports.

ModPrandineJun 16, 20162 votes

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There are people out there following the rules yet still getting banned. Look at the people in boards getting banned for not saying anything. They're sent tickets saying they said something players didn't like yet their chat cards are blank.

You dont have to break the rules to get banned. Everything is dictated by the people who submit reports.

You don't have to use the chat in order to be a jerk. There is such a thing as gameplay trolling you know, so even if someone said nothing in the chat, if there's still enough evidence to prove that someone was still trolling and being a jerk via gameplay then they will still be punished regardless.

RedTaoJun 17, 20161 votes

That's very true. However it does not make me wrong. The way I see it, if someone was reported for the same thing over and over again for something, it will eventually be punished. Not because Riot saw it for themselves or they have evidence supporting it but because enough people reported it. If these people who were banned didn't say anythign but were trolling in their actions, then either a Rioter saw it for themselves or people reported them enough times. I highly doubt a Rioter saw the actions done, so it has to be the amount of people who reported them. If enough people report someone for something, then clearly they're doing something wrong so something must be punished.

Now, with that in mind, if enough reports is able to punish someone who's doing something that can't be seen by riot but there are many people who don't like this person for some reason, this would hold true to people who don't do anything wrong. You have many people out there who report people out of spite for a number of reasons. Someone was crap, someone didn't say anything, someone left you when you wanted to engage enemy, whatever it was you didn't like them. You can send a report and it's on that tally that's on every account. If you keep getting in matches with people like these, that tally gets higher and higher. Eventually it would reach a point where Riot notices. They'll see that tally mark and think this person's doing something wrong. They may not know what was wrong, but it's something that's upsetting enough people. So then they punish the person simply because enough people were upset with this person for doing nothing wrong other than just being there.

Now, with that said, this works both ways. Riot 2-week banned me for "self-deprecation" 4 months ago. 1 month ago I was declared reformed and rewarded with loot. In those 4 months after my ban I did nothing different and I'm still doing the things Riot temp-banned me for. They know full well that I'm still the same I was before, but they continue to reward me. I'm a classic example now that Riot is rewarding bad behavior while punishing good behavior at the same time.

redniwediSJun 16, 20161 votes

As was clearly shown in those other threads the message given to people after getting banned is not always correct. This is something Riot really needs to fix, but it's not evidence that these people were innocent. They did make it all the way to being eligible for a permaban after all.

Deep Terror NamiJun 16, 20163 votes

I advise you to quit spreading misinformation about the behavior systems. Players that get banned for "nothing" are outliers due to an error which will get fixed, or they aren't giving you the information of what really caused their ban. Bans are not determined by simply being reported, but by the behavior exhibited in that reported match.

RedTaoJun 17, 20161 votes

Or what? Riots not doing anything to prove me wrong for the past 4 months. What's the worst they're going to do? Remove me for the boards? That's not going to keep me from posting on the Boards. Permaban my account? They're rewarding me for my behavior despite them saying that I shouldn't be doing these things. Even then that's not going to stop me from playing the game and doing what Riot wants me to do. If Riot did not want me going around apoligizing for everything and saying I suck, they should put it down in the rules somewhere that this was not something you should be doing. Otherwise they could always give me the list of things I can say that even when reported wont result in punishment like I asked. Several weeks of asking and they have not supplied me with any template of any kind.

If bans were not determined by being reported, then I would have been booted from the game months ago. Riot knows very well I'm not changing since there's no reason to change. if you want the tickets showing it I'm more than happy to show you. Just ask and I'll show you several where they acknowledge that I've not changed and they don't do anything.

I'd say I was right on the money considering they're letting people like me who keeps getting rewarded for my behavior. I have nothing else I can do or change. I changed before and I was punished for it. I didn't change this time and I'm rewarded for it. If you want to explain their hypocrisy, go right ahead. Until they can give me something that guarantees I wont get banned, I'm going to keep saying what I'm saying. This is what's getting me rewarded after all.

Deep Terror NamiJun 17, 20162 votes

This behavior is your problem and why you got punished. You just won't stop, and you're making an effort to create a negative environment for everyone else.

Btw, you don't need to use the person who was punished with no chat in his reform card as your example anymore. As I suspected was the case and Riot Tantram has verified, his punishment was not for chat offenses, he just got chat logs in his reform card due to people adding that checkbox to the reports against him. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/faXsHil7-permanently-banned-for-no-reason?comment=0036

RedTaoJun 17, 20161 votes

Kudo's to you. He was punished for upsetting people. It still doesn't change that Riot's rewarding bad behavior and people who don't actually reform. This behavior that's creating a negative environment is now getting me loot and got me my reformed status.

I didn't want to be this way. There's only so much abuse I can take from other players before my ability to communicate with other players is almost nonexistant. I used to be able to talk shit with friends I used to have, now I can't even give advice without someone getting offended because it seemed like I was talking down at them. Apoligizing for everything and agreeing with people who call me crap is all I can do anymore. Riot seems to agree, otherwise they would have revoked my reformed status and my loot ability.

Not all unpleasant people want to be unpleasant. Not all toxic people start off toxic. I wasn't either of these things when I started 3 years ago. After a while of having to put up with people threatening me with reports for things I had no control over, asking me if I'm stupid/autistic/depressed/want to kill myself/should uninstall/etc wears down anyone who has to put up with them. Especially when you can't disagree with them becuase it's defending yourself and it's a punishable offense. It's not like Riot's doing anything to these people who're going out of their way to make people feel like crap. I'm not saying the things I say in game to make people like crap, it's bad enough that I'm in a prepetual state of feeling crap because everyone seems to say so. If I'm going to have to put up with more people calling me crap, may as well beat them to the punch. It's going to come up one way or another. If you can't disagree with them, agree with them. The opposite must be true since saying nothing isn't an option. It's not like Riot's going out of their way to get rid of these people who seem to love creating monsters like me.

If Riot wants me to stop, they're going to have to give me that list of things I can say that won't get me punished. I clearly don't have the ability to know what's acceptable anymore since I get punished for trying to change. Them rewarding me for not changing isn't helping much in reforming either, so as long as there's nothing to change to and no reason to change, then I may as well stay just the way I am.

ModPrandineJun 16, 20162 votes

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I know people who have spent $1000+ on the game and they get banned for verbal abuse. Shouldn't they still have access to an account on which they spent a surplus amount of money to enhance their experience of the game? To prevent verbal abuse, they should take away their privilege to chat.

No they shouldn't. You aren't given leniency from the rules just because you spend allot of money on this game. You can't bribe your way out of a punishment if you act up. If people get banned it's because they deserved it since they didn't want to change their own behavior for the better even after multiple warnings and chances to do so before receiving a permanent ban.

RedTaoJun 16, 20161 votes

I didn't have to change my behavior to be declared reformed. I'm now getting loot yet I'm still doing the things that Riot temp-banned me for. So as far as I can see, there's no benifit in changing your behavior when you can keep doing what you've been doing and still get rewarded for it.

Rustling BushJun 16, 20163 votes

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I know people who have spent $1000+ on the game and they get banned for verbal abuse. Shouldn't they still have access to an account on which they spent a surplus amount of money to enhance their experience of the game? To prevent verbal abuse, they should take away their privilege to chat.

nope, if you pay a few hundred dollars for a concert ticket and then jump on stage and interrupt everyone fun, then your going to get kicked out. why? because they own that space, you just paid for access to it, same principle applies to LoL.

and good for riot, no one should be able to pay there way out of being banned