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Descending Spark··4 votes·2,853 views

So around 5 months ago when I did not play this game seriously I admit I was a bit of a toxic mess and got 2 chat restrictions. Lots has changed over 5 months. Recently I had started taking the game very seriously and I even dropped a ton of money on this game. Last night and the night before I had really toxic encounters and I reacted. Reacting to feeders and I even trolled around for a flex que match that we we're losing at.

Perm banned for spamming CY@ in chat, flaming a toxic singed and toxic ammumu who shot first and I got perm banned for reacting. So if we experience frustration which happens a lot for every player in this game and someone gets on your nerves in chat you'll get perm banned for it. Proof RIOT doesn't care about you whatsoever. I got perm banned for those 3 games. It seems if you are in any toxic situation and agitate it even a little, you are going to get banned for it. Broken system. GG. Also should I mention the day before yesterday I went on an 11 win streak and then the following day went on an 11 loss streak and you're expected to be a little angel. Pathetic system.

go ahead RIOT delete this post to.

Three games. Three games

I'd like my 200$ back. 200$ I spent because I felt comfortable and protected in your system and wanted to add to my experience.

110 Comments

AeroWaffle11 votes

If Riot didn't care, they wouldn't have banned you for poor behavior.

Descending Spark1 votes

not true. it's just their system. the support team can do nothing about it either. It's just the rules. Talk shit even if its not your fault and suffer

AeroWaffle11 votes

When you talk shit, it's your fault. You're the one talking shit. You're in control of what you say in chat.

Descending Spark2 votes

no, i know it sounds like im some kid bitching but i wasn't the one that started it. if i could show you the full chat I would

AeroWaffle5 votes

I'm not saying that you're responsible for emotions that you feel when someone goes out of their way to make you upset, I'm saying you're in control of your actions.

If you choose to continue the flame war between you and some other player, it's your choice. Mute and report them (if you feel it's appropriate). Don't lower yourself to their level.

Great Muta1 votes

You really aren't in control of your actions in league because you get punished if you take any action.

League controls you, you don't control League.

TrulyBland13 votes

If League controlled him the way you imply, then he wouldn't have been punished.

You also seem to have a pretty weird definition of "being in control". Being in control does not shield you from the consequences of your actions, quite the opposite in fact.

And even if we assume all of what you say is true, your point is paradoxical at best:

If he's in control of his actions, he deserves punishment. But if he gets punished for his actions, according to you he's not in control of his actions. But if he's not in control of his actions, he doesn't deserve punishment. And if he doesn't get punished for his actions, he's in control of his actions. Aaand loop.

Kei1435 votes

you weren't the one that started it, but were the one to continue with it.

It takes 2 to argue, so you are still at fault.

Descending Spark2 votes

not something to be perma banned for.

President Swa1n2 votes

Depends on your chat logs. Post them.

Zielmann5 votes

You're responsible for every word that leaves your, er...fingertips. So unless somebody else took over your keyboard and was typing for you, it was your fault that you said anything you said.

Not typing is easier than typing. And what exactly do you expect retaliating against these people to accomplish?

Descending Spark2 votes

what is the point of having this chat in game then if you're going to be treated like you are in middle school for saying a couple cus words. Pathetic

Great Muta2 votes

All it serves is to get people in trouble the majority of times and that it does.

It has lead many people like myself to believe that League wants to get people banned so they will have to buy boosts and buy champs on another account.

Descending Spark3 votes

its all a money grab and its sad because in many aspects this game is flawless. with regards to the system its just absolutely busted. if the system is that ticked off with my 3 games then at least perm ban my chat, not my entire account. Zzzzzzzz

Jon11747 votes

Oh hey you summoned Great Muta, congratulations

Zielmann5 votes

But they allow cursing... that by itself won't get anybody banned.

You have a valid point, though. By and large, the chat doesn't feel entirely necessary. At least in my experience, many games go by where almost nothing is said in chat (especially since the ping options were broadened a while back). You can communicate just about anything you need to with pings now, so maybe the chat itself isn't so necessary now.

But there are times when chat has been a nice addition. Joking around with allies, or even the enemy team, is pretty fun. I've run into some really cool people in this game that way. And sometimes there are still things you can usefully communicate in chat that pings don't always cover, like a longer-term or more complex plan, or suggesting your ADC grabs Executioner's Calling to help keep Soraka at bay.

Realistically, having the chat isn't inherently bad. And if you can compose yourself properly, it's pretty easy to either ignore whatever negativity is there, or else just mute it if it's bothering you too much. Then you can report those people after the game. Suddenly, your account is in perfectly good standing, while the people who were 'at fault' for the negativity to begin with will be the only ones getting punished.

Kei1434 votes

talk shit

and

not your fault

don't co-exist in the same sentence. You chose to talk shit, it was your keyboard, your hand, your enter, your thought process.

If that's not your fault then I don't know what it is.

Descending Spark2 votes

Helloooooo it didn't say in the I agree to the terms that you have to be an angel 100% of the time. I talked back towards an overly toxic player that was also flaming my mates. I had a bad day and thats it. I didn't threaten anyone and i wasn't abusive

Kei1434 votes

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Helloooooo it didn't say in the I agree to the terms that you have to be an angel 100% of the time. I talked back towards an overly toxic player that was also flaming my mates. I had a bad day and thats it. I didn't threaten anyone and i wasn't abusive

That is fine, no angel 100% of the time.

Just be prepared to deal with the consequences after you are done not being an angel often enough.

Great Muta1 votes

They didn't ban him, just his account. And he's free to make new accounts ;) just like I did

This is the RBSC passive aggression we've talked about Aero.

AeroWaffle12 votes

Hey, look. More hypocrisy from you.

Great Muta1 votes

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AeroWaffle7 votes

OP claimed that Riot doesn't care, because his needs and desires were not fulfilled by Riot. But he's not the only player. Riot bans people for behavioral reasons because they are considering the needs and desires of the other players.

And you continue to be hypocritical. You criticise people for passive aggression, then in the same post insult them.

Great Muta1 votes

Don't worry man. Riots not going to have any players left by 2018 without massive reform in this system.

AeroWaffle12 votes

The same was said of 2016.

And 2015.

and 2014.

fumiefan1 votes

Have you seen the queue times lately? These are getting worse than CSGO with 90 million less players.

President Swa1n2 votes

That bears little to no significance. I would eat a snake if both games used the same queue finding algorithms.

fumiefan1 votes

Do you prefer rattle or king cobra? Just curious.

President Swa1n3 votes

Please don't. You know for a fact the two games aren't the same and have different factors affecting matchmaking times, perhaps the most significant being role assigning.

fumiefan1 votes

We might as well go back to "callin' it" because I at least got the role I wanted more often then. I think a lot of people would actually go for it with q times and autofill.

President Swa1n1 votes

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a lot of people would actually go for it

Yeah, I don't think so. Not sure about your experiences, but Blind Pick is just so toxic and convoluted. I haven't had any issues lately whatsoever with queue times. And no one likes autofill, but it's like taxes; they're kind of necessary. In this case, for queue health.

fumiefan1 votes

I've had issues with both. Autofill didn't start happening until recently.

Would much rather go back to the blind system.

President Swa1n1 votes

Autofill was always there, albeit only for low population queue times.

I simply disagree with you.

Oleandervine10 votes

Perhaps you shouldn't flame others and you won't be banned?

If you murder someone for murdering someone, does that make you any less of a killer?

Girard9 votes

You don't get banned for one offense. Post your chat logs if you really feel confident that you did nothing wrong. If you don't feel like saying anything nice, don't say anything at all. It's really not that hard.

TyrekGoldenspear7 votes

Being a little angel and not flaming the crap out of people are two different things.

I get your frustration but the amount of money you spent is not taken into account when it comes to bans.

Plus in one of your games you trolled because you figured the game was over anyway.

In the future I suggest looking at losses from a different perspective. When the enemy team is clearly winning in one of my games, I switch my focus to learning. I try to figure out how their carry is doing what they're doing and how I can prevent it next time. Perhaps if I had roamed I could have shut them down when they got too big, or maybe I shouldn't have roamed at all and tried to take down mid tower when they were all bot.

Plus, if you're in a toxic situation and report but don't add to the flames you have literally nothing to worry about.

Trust me, it does not make you any less of a person just because you don't respond to their taunts. Because if you do respond you're doing exactly what they want from you in the first place. They may be playing on alts that they don't care about the status of, so if they can drag you all down into the permaban pit while they laugh about it, they will.

Descending Spark2 votes

90% of the time that advice is already in my head when I'm playing a game. I went on an 11 win streak 2 days ago and then the following day went on like a 10 loss streak and got highly frustrated. then some kids on the other team totally set me off by flaming me for not being able to land skill shots with Zed. I just got frustrated, that really something you should be perma banned for? I never threatened or talked shit enough to make someone want to kill themselves. its a competitive game...you're expected to be an angel. You are responsible for the things you say but I did not for a second think I would get perma banned for the things I said. I know whats bad and whats not. im not a shallow individual

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

I get it. I once had a 20 game loss streak with Azir.

It was disheartening, but never once did I flame somebody.

I was more focused on improving myself, and man did it feel good when I hard carried as Azir.

Yes, you are responsible for the things you say, but this was 3 games, which means you had at least 3 chances.

I am not condemning you, but now that you know how you respond when you're frustrated, you can either mute all or simply play a more relaxing mode like bots or ARAM.

Descending Spark2 votes

I just had an awful day yesterday in general on top of my loss streak, and as I said those things in chat I really didn't think I was going to get banned for it all. I'm not a bad player, most of the time I hold composure. They counted my previous chat bans from 5 months ago on top of the games I had yesterday. It's just the system.

Descending Spark2 votes

I just had an awful day yesterday in general on top of my loss streak, and as I said those things in chat I really didn't think I was going to get banned for it all. I'm not a bad player, most of the time I hold composure. They counted my previous chat bans from 5 months ago on top of the games I had yesterday. It's just the system.

thanks for the reply

LordItchyPickle1 votes

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90% of the time that advice is already in my head when I'm playing a game. I went on an 11 win streak 2 days ago and then the following day went on like a 10 loss streak and got highly frustrated. then some kids on the other team totally set me off by flaming me for not being able to land skill shots with Zed. I just got frustrated, that really something you should be perma banned for? I never threatened or talked shit enough to make someone want to kill themselves. its a competitive game...you're expected to be an angel. You are responsible for the things you say but I did not for a second think I would get perma banned for the things I said. I know whats bad and whats not. im not a shallow individual

You shouldn't call people an idiot. Just make mushroom swasticas with teemo

https://gfycat.com/EthicalEmbellishedDragonfly

BewareTheIdes1 votes

league is turning into a troll breeding ground for sure. That is why so many troll techniques have evolved in league that the system never detects. Like i can make a lane that is shit talking me lose. All i have to do id "gank" feed one or two kills then say sorry after each time. No ban unless it is obvious feeding and the teammates don't even realize it sometimes it is that good. I have seen it happen in my games and it is such a grey area that riot will never ban them for it. The trolls are evolving and it's because they are making new accounts all the time. Just Look at gbay99's video about the third reich guy and having the club tag NAZ! like come on. He is clearly a troll that has multiple accounts and is buying them, you are never going to ban these people when they can get new accounts so easy. Just create a Lower priority queue that only trolls and leavers go into like Dota 2 did. Then they can suffer at their own medicine as they try to escape a hell of their own design.

Great Muta3 votes

This was a pretty good reply Tyrek. 9 out of 10 score from me. More of this please. This is what we should be seeing around here.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

And this was a pretty good reply to somebody's post on the forums.

Based on this post I can clearly tell that your goal is to make the forums (particalary the PB&M) an overall nicer board that supports banned players and helps them reform.

So try to make your goals more clear and leave the name-calling and conspiracy theories at home, K? ;)

BewareTheIdes1 votes

You know stalking someone like that and commenting that stuff is harassment right? Why don't you just ignore it and say thanks? That last bit seemed really spiteful and mean. You should take your own advise and be a better person.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

You know what you're doing is closer to stalking right?

All the stuff he does in the PB&M boards is quite public, it's impossible to not see him.

As for the last bit, made it as soft as I could, but he needed to know that his previous methods of getting people to change weren't working and he needed to make more replies like the one he made to me.

Besides, people who know me on these boards know I don't make mean and spiteful comments.

BewareTheIdes1 votes

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You know what you're doing is closer to stalking right?

All the stuff he does in the PB&M boards is quite public, it's impossible to not see him.

As for the last bit, made it as soft as I could, but he needed to know that his previous methods of getting people to change weren't working and he needed to make more replies like the one he made to me.

You clearly did look that stuff up out of malice and I can see previous interactions so you must hold a grudge or you wouldn't be as aggressive as you are. The way they handle themselves doesn't excuse your actions either based on your previous statements or actually justify unwarranted agression. They can do as they please it's not your place to call them out for things that aren't relevant here and only hold malicious intent. You could have just said thank you and not tried to publicly embarrass them as you clearly did with this post:

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And this was a pretty good reply to somebody's post on the forums.

Based on this post I can clearly tell that your goal is to make the forums (particalary the PB&M) an overall nicer board that supports banned players and helps them reform.

So try to make your goals more clear and leave the name-calling and conspiracy theories at home, K? ;)

So you are by definition a hypocrite now. So you need to practice what you preach or stop preaching it. Since you clearly are yourself being aggressive toward them since you did not like what they had to say. Also how do you know they are a guy?

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

First of all, I have no grudge and that post wasn't malicious in intent. I looked nothing up becuase

A. We have had interactions before, so I'm bringing up stuff from memory and what everybody here sees him doing.

B. That is nowhere closr to aggression mate, please stop trying to see it where there isn't any.

Secondly, I wasn't trying to publicly embarras him. I was giving him alternative courses of action.

Thirdly, I am aware of his behavior not dictating mine, and I had no aggression in my post. I took the opportunity to show him that those kond of replies work qhen it comes to showing his intent here.

Fourthly, becuase of what I stated above, I am not a hypocrite. You came to that conclusion becuase of what you thought you saw. A misunderstanding.

Fifthly, There are no gender neutral pronouns so I picked one at random.

elduris7 votes

declaring martial law

Don't you think you're exaggerating just a little bit?

If you want to get a second opinion on your ban, feel free to post your chat logs.

Descending Spark2 votes

nah. heard about people getting banned for the same things. I even read the chats. worst things are said on CS go and nothing happens Zzzzzz

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