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The Color of··2 votes·2,513 views

Hi I'm brand new to league, I've played Dota and Newarth but something unique to this community has me confused. How is smurfing not cheating? And for that matter what IS cheating because the way I was educated Cheating by definition is using any duplicitous tactic that gives you and unfair advantage and I'd say smurfing fits the bill. Now not all smurfs are cheating, some people are leveling new accounts they play new champs, throttle their skill level, actively refuse to carry that sort of thing. But and I'm being 100% honest, my games in normal blind, normal draft, ect do not feel as though they are the outcome of my or my team's play they feel as though they are the outcome of a coin flip. Are you with or against the blatantly better players I mean the 22-0 carrying kind of players who chastise others and make the game just unfun to finish. The kind of smurfs that make you want to ff15 just to be free of them. I've told a few of them that I was going to report them for cheating and they said they weren't cheating which can't be true, leveraging advanced skill and experience against newer players has to be cheating because if it isn't then riot condones this type of behavior and doesn't care if terrible aggressive smurfs are ruining their new player experience which by recent posts they were very concerned with fixing.

So in the commens below can someone please clarify what CHEATING is and whether blatant smurfing is or isn't?

(Ps I realize you can't stop all smurfs from occurring that's impossible but you can react when they're discovered which puts the onus on the smurf to not play like they are Rank X or Y and like they are a new player at the very least be sporting about it and not make the game agony)

23 Comments

Chermorg2 votes

You're matched with players around the same hidden MMR as you, which may be different from their apparent rank in the ranked ladder. A player who is smurfing will not be a a different MMR than their main, even if their rank is different.

The Color of1 votes

but we're not equal skill level, I don't know what MMR is but it can't be an accurate measure of skill if I'm winning my games 5 in a row with 4-2-10 and they're winning with 23-0 smashes

The Color of1 votes

also how does MMR affect duo partners where one is just smashing games for their friend?

TheSnowyLeopard2 votes

MMR is not calculated very well in duos, MMR is only accurate according to your solo que games. Smurfs are smurfs, it happens in Dota 2 as well lol

The Color of1 votes

but its more in control in dota 2 since it's harder for a single entity to carry if everyone is doing their job and playing. I'm not complaining about bad players or new players. If my team does their job, farms under turret, trades intelligently, plays to their best they still lose. There is nothing you can do to fight a player that plays better than you. This is just that fact to the 10th degree, like a minor leaguer playing in a softball game. There's NOTHING we can do even if we play well enough to beat an opponent of an equal skill level because the skill level is not equal. Quite frankly a newbies best isn't good enough to beat a smurf.

hi ìm groot1 votes

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You're matched with players around the same hidden MMR as you, which may be different from their apparent rank in the ranked ladder. A player who is smurfing will not be a a different MMR than their main, even if their rank is different.

Mmmm what, this is not true.

Percentages2 votes

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You're matched with players around the same hidden MMR as you, which may be different from their apparent rank in the ranked ladder. A player who is smurfing will not be a a different MMR than their main, even if their rank is different.

Stop lying.

Percentages1 votes

smurfing is unfair but these clowns here on the boards will flame you to hell and back for speaking ill of their treasured smurfing. And apparently if your aren’t masters tier your opinion doesn’t count, is invalid, and you are garbage trash not worth even giving a moments notice to. I call them keyboard warriors, because they roar like lions on the internet, but quiet as a mouse in the streets... I am very against smurfing and think it should be against the rules, but people here post their games of pubstomping proudly and wear it like a badge of honor like it was some great feat, and then flame you for calling them out on it. End rant, lmfao.

TheSnowyLeopard2 votes

this sounds like an opinion of a non master tier player ;D

Percentages1 votes

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this sounds like an opinion of a non master tier player ;D

Why you ain’t at LCS then cuz? You super bad or something? Git gud or something like that. Lol

TheSnowyLeopard1 votes

the joke

your head

Percentages1 votes

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the joke

your head

Obviously it went over yours if you failed to notice the lol at the end....

TheSnowyLeopard2 votes

ah of course, the ambiguous "lol" is entitled for sarcasm, not for laughing at me. my mistake, how could I have not seen that before. LOL.

Percentages1 votes

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ah of course, the ambiguous "lol" is entitled for sarcasm, not for laughing at me. my mistake, how could I have not seen that before. LOL.

Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it my dude... if I was trying to insult you, my post would be removed ASAP lol. Well maybe not, I saw someone post pornography on here and it took over an hour to get removed. Lazy mods...

TheSnowyLeopard1 votes

You seriously dont make sense, I made a joke that you responded to without a clear stand point of understanding it or not understanding it and then are surprised when it wasnt clear. good job making a joke i guess? i love jokes that you need to explain. and also was this the akali thing? or some other post.

Percentages1 votes

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You seriously dont make sense, I made a joke that you responded to without a clear stand point of understanding it or not understanding it and then are surprised when it wasnt clear. good job making a joke i guess? i love jokes that you need to explain. and also was this the akali thing? or some other post.

If I have to point out that I’m being sarcastic with a post that ends in lol... theres nothing much I can do about it. And if you took my response to you as serious then you must be addled in the head. But here goes for the slow ones. I said that if I was going to insult you that the post would be taken down immediately because it would contain vile vulgar language that would make your ears turn red. Then I said it might not be taken down quickly because I saw porn posted on the boards that took over an hour to be taken down. Clear enough now or do need an even further breakdown? Maybe a madden play by play?

Percentages1 votes

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If I have to point out that I’m being sarcastic with a post that ends in lol... theres nothing much I can do about it. And if you took my response to you as serious then you must be addled in the head. But here goes for the slow ones. I said that if I was going to insult you that the post would be taken down immediately because it would contain vile vulgar language that would make your ears turn red. Then I said it might not be taken down quickly because I saw porn posted on the boards that took over an hour to be taken down. Clear enough now or do need an even further breakdown? Maybe a madden play by play?

Sorry that was a little mean and not just a joke.

Sona Ping1 votes

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Hi I'm brand new to league, I've played Dota and Newarth but something unique to this community has me confused. How is smurfing not cheating? And for that matter what IS cheating because the way I was educated Cheating by definition is using any duplicitous tactic that gives you and unfair advantage and I'd say smurfing fits the bill. Now not all smurfs are cheating, some people are leveling new accounts they play new champs, throttle their skill level, actively refuse to carry that sort of thing. But and I'm being 100% honest, my games in normal blind, normal draft, ect do not feel as though they are the outcome of my or my team's play they feel as though they are the outcome of a coin flip. Are you with or against the blatantly better players I mean the 22-0 carrying kind of players who chastise others and make the game just unfun to finish. The kind of smurfs that make you want to ff15 just to be free of them. I've told a few of them that I was going to report them for cheating and they said they weren't cheating which can't be true, leveraging advanced skill and experience against newer players has to be cheating because if it isn't then riot condones this type of behavior and doesn't care if terrible aggressive smurfs are ruining their new player experience which by recent posts they were very concerned with fixing.

So in the commens below can someone please clarify what CHEATING is and whether blatant smurfing is or isn't?

(Ps I realize you can't stop all smurfs from occurring that's impossible but you can react when they're discovered which puts the onus on the smurf to not play like they are Rank X or Y and like they are a new player at the very least be sporting about it and not make the game agony)

On the grounds that you have provided, it is not cheating because following the definition that you chose it is not unfair as the participants are playing under the same game rules and it not duplicitous, because duplicity being used to make the game be played under different rules. You then argue from something unrelated to what's been provided and argue that them playing better in a competitive PvP game is cheating.

If you play Scrabble and win because you're better at it, are you cheating? If I have better vocabulary than my opponent am I cheating? The guy who is better at Scrabble than me because he actually plays it is not cheating, the other guy who takes extra tiles is the who is cheating. I understand how being matched against someone who is allegedly smurfing, playing on a new account and getting put in your games can be frustrating but you can't just call it cheating and declare that Riot condones or doesn't care about whatever you want them to because you don't like something.

After all, are you cheating because you have experience with other MOBA games while other new players do not have that?

The Color of1 votes

Excuse me but how are we playing under the same rules, one team is playing with stronger cards than the other team can hope to defeat. It's not because they're better that they win it's because we can't oppose them. It's a shut down game based on the principle that we are nowhere NEAR good enough to win the game. So we just lose based on the random interval of whether or not we are blessed with jesus H smurfington on our team ready to carry us as 23-2 Katarina? That's not only unfair that's unfun, I want to play and do well because I recognized the method of play and executed I don't want to win or lose based on the whims of someone who has a ton more experience, level advantage, rune advantage and just knows how to play better. You act like knowledge and experience aren't tools in this game, the more you have the better you play, so.. you seriously sound like you do condone the absolute obliteration of any new player against a hopelessly dominating opponent because.. "They both play by the same rules" Yeah they both have the same objective and they both have the same number of abilities but that's like saying two people playing pool are playing the same game when one is a semi pro and the other is a novice, We play by the same rules but people would still call the match unfair based on the difference of experience and ability. Am I wrong or is this not a sport based on fairness and competition.

The Color of1 votes

also if you've come to just accept that leveling a new account is nothing but pain and suffering then you sound kinda jaded to the actual problem.

Algido1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Color of,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oxBZTEsd,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T19:14:57.474+0000)

also if you've come to just accept that leveling a new account is nothing but pain and suffering then you sound kinda jaded to the actual problem.

Everyone hates this game. We've just all invested too much time, effort and probably money so when we realize it's a miserable game that breaks one's soul, steals one's sanity and kills friendships, pride comes into play and no one wants to admit to themselves the horrible life ruining decision that was made. Except for the million challenger players, ofc.

Mordius1 votes

Being skilled at the game isn't cheating.

What are you confused about

Best Vi Earth1 votes

most smurf dont want to be low level. some just want to play with their friends at are lower level or rank to make it a bit easier to play with. but yes there are those that want to "pub stomp". some think it takes the stress away from playing on their own rank for so long.

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