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getting reported for having fun

macaroni a viand··3 votes·2,112 views

so i got bored of playing so i decided ill try something new and fun, so i decided to go riven bot with my friend and he went bot with yas, i just wanted to have fun and we ended up feeding since enemy was too good and we fucked up early game so then they started to get toxic and cocky then they reported us for intentional feeding and for trolling, i just wanted to have fun you know.. i would never do that in ranked though, i take it seriously but normals. oh boy, its like another ranked system jeez srsly i swear ppl take norms more serious than ranked why though? a game is meant to play for fun? so why can't i try new different things without getting reported and having fun? i swear i love this game, people are usually nice but when i want to try something people start crying like if it was ranked and world was getting destroyed.. in general, i just wanted to play riven bot and wanted to have fun for a change, not be serious and try to win a normal draft pick match, like in csgo, competitive match is serious stuff, not like casual. you feel me, what do you guys think, everyone has bad games right? one time i went riven bot with the same guy but he went blits, i ended up 30/3 i had a blast, sometimes i just wanna change things and spice up the game you know? I find it silly that i got reported by everyone in that match anyways, have a good day everyone!Riven Yasuo

60 Comments

Magical Player3 votes

https://i.redd.it/4hg19xrhcqdy.jpg find the fallacy for it yes this is spam

In the case of you and your friend you tried, but you disregard your team entirely yes report is valid, doubtful to harm you

but be more considerate of your team

SwainLaneWinGame3 votes

off meta is not a valid report

Magical Player3 votes

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off meta is not a valid report

"we ended up feeding" not we ended up doing bad no we ended up feeding OP went with "off meta" and fed off meta is not the problem OP intentionally fed

Q: how is it intentional, he didn't go into game to lose? A: Intentional, his goal wasn't to win

Its fine if its a full premade trying things out but it is inconsiderate to waste, yes waste others time Is off meta reportable no

is feeding yes, OP fed admits to feeding Do not argue its an off meta thing its not He was feeding

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

...What? I don't understand half of what you're trying to say.

The OP did not intentionally feed. You're not understanding the nuances of the sentence structure here.

The OP said he went into a game for fun, but ended up doing badly in game. The OP did not say he played with the purpose of intentionally losing/feeding.

Therefore your whole post is invalid.

Magical Player3 votes

Q:Does Op admit to feeding? A:Yes Q:Can we infer that Op's pick was the cause to their feeding? A:Yes Q: how is it intentional, he didn't go into game to lose? A: Intentional, his goal wasn't to win but rather have fun, he was having fun at others expense........ Q:Whats Q&A mean? A Question and Anwser

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

League is a game, a game is played to have fun. The GOAL of league is to win, but the purpose of the game is to have FUN.

The OP admitted to playing poorly and getting stomped in lane, hence he admitted to UNINTENTIONALLY feeding. Not intentional. Unless he purposely played to lose a game (which can be considered trolling), you have no basis here to accuse the OP of having valid reports filed against him.

Playing poorly or losing a lane to someone else, while trying to have fun, is not reportable -- offmeta pick or not.

Magical Player1 votes

"i just wanted to have fun and we ended up feeding since enemy was too good and we fucked up early game" " i just wanted to play riven bot and wanted to have fun for a change, not be serious and try to win" op states both he was feeding and his goal was to have fun not to win

I agree he played poorly and its not offmeta as why he was reported

intent feeding and trolling is what he said not off meta

"one time i went riven bot with the same guy but he went blits, i ended up 30/3 i had a blast, sometimes i just wanna change things and spice up the game you know?"

"Spice it up" to me that phrase means make the game harder for his team

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

You also left out the part where he mentioned it was in a normal draft game, which is league's 'casual mode'. Nothing is gained or lost in normal mode (other than your dignity), only in ranked do wins/losses actually matter.

And just because the OP went into the game to have fun and not try to win, doesn't mean he went into the game with the intention of losing, only that winning didn't matter as much to him, should he have lost the game.

Off-meta pick does not and should not even come into the argument here, honestly.

Magical Player1 votes

Considering you decided to add the topic of off meta to the discussion......

So we should allow for trolling and feeding as long as its in normal's.......

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

the OP and yourself mentioned off-meta pick.

Off-meta playing does not equate to trolling; Therefore, losing with off-meta playing does not equate to intentionally feeding.

Magical Player1 votes

Neither op nor I mentioned off meta You did

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off meta is not a valid report

find where before you mention off meta off meta is mentioned

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

i decided to go riven bot with my friend and he went bot with yas

Is the mention of off-meta, the very first two sentences.

Magical Player1 votes

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Is the mention of off-meta, the very first two sentences.

Where are the words off meta? Who specifically brings up the term off meta? Glad to see you defining the meta.....

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

Are you trying to be obtuse?

Fact: Bot lane in the current meta has never included riven and yasuo.

Therefore, riven and yasuo are off-meta picks for bot lane.

Fact: The OP went bot lane with riven and yasuo,

Therefore, the OP picked off-meta.

The OP did not have to explicitly say 'off-meta', it was implied in what he said.

Magical Player1 votes

Was it stated? No No where Did I bring in the fact he was off meta until I repeat until you mentioned off meta

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

You also left out the part where he mentioned it was in a (normal draft game, which is league's 'casual mode'). Nothing is gained or lost in normal mode (other than your dignity), only in ranked do wins/losses actually matter.

And just because the OP went into the game to have fun and not try to win, doesn't mean he went into the game with the intention of losing, only that winning didn't matter as much to him, should he have lost the game.

Off-meta pick does not and should not even come into the argument here, honestly.

And another point, it's really no one else's business what any other player's reasons are for playing when logging in and playing a game -- they could be playing for any reason whatsoever (to have fun, to win, whatever), just as long as once they are in the game, they follow the Summoner's Code.

And the summoner's code says off-meta picks are fine.

Not all players play with the sole purpose of winning.

zecastar2 votes

That's a terrible argument. If he picked something meta that he was equally uncomfortable with and played just as badly, he wouldn't be accused of intentionally feeding. You're applying a double standard.

Magical Player1 votes

If he picked meta and fed I'd still view as feeding????? He fed regardless of what he picked he fed You applied something I did not say to the argument

Chønklord1 votes

He did feed, but not intentionally. Let's break down the OP's words:

we ended up feeding since enemy was too good and we fucked up early game

"We ended up" feeding. To "end up" in this context means to unwittingly/unintentionally reach a final point.

Example: "although magical player tried his best, he ended up being a douchelord, anyway".

We can come to this conclusion because of the next half of the sentence:

"since the enemy was too good and we fucked up early game".

There are two halves to this piece -- "since the enemy was too good" and "[..] we fucked up early game". Here we see the word since being used as a conjunction to "the enemy was too good". In this way, the word 'since' is used like the word 'because'.

Now we look at "and we fucked up early game". This bit is obvious in that the idiomatic expression 'fucked up' is used as a verb here to denote making a mistake.

Example: "Magical player realized he fucked up when he picked a fight with boosted bonobo".

Overall the OP could have done a better job of sentence structure and grammar; a more fitting and proper organization of structure would have been this:

"But because the enemy was too good and mistakes were made in the early game, we ended up feeding".

By rearranging the sentence in this manner we have a clearer understanding of intent through the proper context which is that the OP made an error in gameplay mechanics and those errors were capitalized upon by better players than him, therefore the unwanted end result was that he fed unintentionally.

I hope this short lesson in the usage of proper grammatical form has clarified for you the intent and context of the OP's post. Since it was originally poorly phrased, it could give those who are not native English speakers or those with limited education on the English language a hard time; the basic foundation however is there and more than enough to understand the OP's intent.

Magical Player1 votes

Guess All I can say from here is Kappa as you prefer to not discuss things good day sir

Chønklord1 votes

What is there to discuss? You are misinterpreting the post to fit your beliefs, for whatever reason that may be. Continuing to argue about it does not make you correct; I just laid out a perfectly clear and logical understanding of the OP's message, yet now you want to bow out of the conversation? Or are you throwing in the towel because you know what I say is factually correct and you are too stubborn to admit it?

Show me where I am wrong in my post?

Magical Player1 votes

Friend, I've tried to end this discussion several times. Sadly, I'm being reminded it continues to exist

Its fine if we both believe 2 separate things that is the wonderful thing called the grey zone both are true and both are false Let riot determine :D

Chønklord1 votes

Actually there is such a thing as being "factually correct"; it's possible to disagree in other ways yes, but in this instance you have not shown me where I am wrong in my analysis of the English language and how the OP presented his post.

If he had said "I got bored and decided to intentionally feed bot lane as riven", then we wouldn't even be arguing this and both be in agreement.

That is not however, what was said, or intended to be said. Just because your opinion is different than what I presented to you, does not make my analysis and comprehension of how words are strung together to form thought incorrect, it just makes your interpretation of them faulty.

You are factually incorrect when it comes to what the OP said he did; you're attempting to take his words and mold them to validate your own opinion; I am however presenting you with clear cut, factually and linguistically correct analysis of the context and intentions of the OP as presented in the post.

Hope that makes sense to you.

As I feel this applies, here is a quote a famous person once said:

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

As I have informed you of the correct understanding of the words as presented, it is up to you now to either adjust your opinion or find an equal or greater counter-analysis to present to me. This is how discussions and debates work, friend.

Magical Player1 votes

Can people lie? Could op have just presented the best case scenario?

Chønklord1 votes

Yes it is possible, but we are discussing the entirety of the OP's message and story as is, not a hypothetical one that fits only your narrative.

Magical Player1 votes

No you are discussing that at me, we're not seeing eye to eye :D shall we call it a day :D

Chønklord1 votes

Alright then. Don't bring a more valid response to my original post and continue to stay in ignorance.

Magical Player1 votes

Do you wish to enlighten me? By all means do try, I'm always up to be taught something. Weather I'm wrong or right is irrelevant to me, learning is fun. Everything is about progressing the knowledge. So if possible please teach me more as to get me out of this ignorant state I'm in apparently

vOmvbrawfU2 votes

You don't have to ask your team if going Cait ADC is ok, so don't bring that silly "disregard your team" in here. They were playing off-meta. Nothing wrong with that.

Kei1433 votes

that wall of text is too stronk. paragraph it out next time.

But in short, you can be reported for anything (even saying "Mickey mouse"). Just because you were reported doesn't mean you'll be punished for it.

The system is capable of filtering out false reports. So if you didn't do anything against the Term of Service, you'll be fine.

SwainLaneWinGame3 votes

By the way to the OP:

Your poll is faulty and incorrect.

Anything can be reported, it does not mean those reports are valid.

Yes, you can be reported for what you did.

The better question for the poll should be: "Should I be punished for doing that?"

Getting reported doesn't mean you are in the wrong,

Getting punished does.

Dynikus2 votes

On one hand, you were just having fun, and so long as you were actually trying and playing your roles, it's not punishable. That said, you have to take into consideration that you're in a game with 8 other people that are also trying to have fun.

DoktorKaiser2 votes

"tried to have fun" -----> "so I picked Riven bot and my friend picked Yasuo"

That is not fun. That is cancer. And you fed too what surprise considering you both trolled and picked the most toxic champions with the worst playerbase in the game. Enjoy your ban.

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

Contrary to what you might think, you are not the decider of what champion is fun or not fun; since that is a subjective thing, not an objective thing.

However, your post definitely does constitute being toxic -- and at the very least a shitpost -- so there's that.

Also, off-meta play does not equal trolling, irregardless of the OP's win/loss.

Playing with the sole intent to lose is trolling; Playing without the sole intent to win is not trolling.

Magical Player1 votes

Q: did he feed? A: Yes Q: Did he admit to feeding? A: yes Q: Was he aim to have and win? A: No it was to have fun and spice it up Q: Did he play off meta(this is just for you) A: Sure Q: Does it matter he was off meta? A: No, its not a reason to report someone Q: Did he feed while being off meta? A: Yes Q: Can't discount his feeding just because he was off meta

Q:Can it appear he was trolling? A:Sure Q: Was he trolling? A: Only riot knows (neither of us can say he was or wasn't trolling)

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

This is better.

No one is saying to discount his feeding (regardless of meta/off-meta);

The only valid argument here is was the OP feeding/losing intentionally. The answer is (based on the OP's posted intent), no.

Therefore, the OP was not trolling.

It's kind of like this:

Q: Was the OP playing only with the intent to win? A: No, he was however playing only with the intent to have fun

Q: Is playing only with the intent to have fun trolling? A: No, playing only with the intent to lose is trolling.

Another format,

All off-meta int feeders play to lose, but not all off-meta losers are int feeding.

You can play off-meta without the intent to win and not troll/be an int feeder, Just as you can play meta with the intent to win and troll/be an int feeder.

Playing for fun with the intent to lose = troll Playing for fun without the intent to win but still lose = not troll

Need I go on? Hope we are all in agreement now.

There is nothing wrong with the OP and his decision to play off-meta for fun and without the only intention of winning. Playing only with the intent to have fun does not mean he played with the intent to lose.

Magical Player1 votes

Can it be considered feeding? Yes and No

Can we prove his intent no only riot can

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

It can be considered feeding,

It cannot be considered intentional feeding.

There is nothing wrong with feeding, if you are not doing it intentionally.

You can play only for fun, have a bad game and unintentionally feed, Just as you can play only to win, have a bad game and intentionally feed.

Magical Player1 votes

IF you having fun results in feeding it can be considered you intentionally fed

you don't think its intent feeding thats fine let riot sort it out :D

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

Wrong.

Intentional feeding is not dependent upon any particular thing.

Riot has sorted it out; they have already stated clearly that while the objective of the game is to win, the goal is to have fun.

Go read Red comments in the relevant threads about what constitutes intentional feeding.

You cannot say that just because a player is playing only to have fun and then they lose, they are intentionally feeding, that is just completely morally and logically wrong.

If you think that way, then I would be allowed to call you an intentional feeder if you played only to win but still lost, as well.

Magical Player1 votes

Pretty sure intentional feeding is dependent on the intent to feed...... its kinda in its word intent-ional feed-ing but I may be wrong

So lets be clear, if I enjoy running it down mid then I am achieving the goal of the game? I'm having fun my intent is to win, but my plan is to run it down mid to do so?

Again neither of us can prove his intent let riot figure it out

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

We can prove his intent by what he said in his post.

He was neither playing to win OR lose; simply playing with the intent to have fun. Unfortunately, he lost -- but because he was playing off-meta champions, he was blamed for the loss.

Also your simile of "running it down mid" doesn't apply here. The OP did not say he intentionally fed, he only said that he fed. The OP understood he played poorly and unintentionally fed the enemy.

Also, singed players regularly "run it down" top, and sometimes HAVE to intentionally feed in order to get objectives somewhere on the map. Should they be punished too?

Magical Player1 votes

Where did I say I was going to feed while running it down mid? My goal is to have fun, My objective is to win If I die while doing my strat, thats fine because I cover both bases

Where as any user can post anything in the best light, lets just say for a second people can lie and the truth isn't as cut and dry as people claim Edit Also there is normal mmr so losing games does directly affect it

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

"running it down mid" is a colloquial term for intentionally feeding. So yes, you were saying you were going to intentionally feed. Don't be naive. You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing, at this point.

We both know the OP wasn't intentionally feeding; yes he did feed. Yes it was while playing something off-meta. No, it is not punishable, even if reported.

Win or lose, makes no difference. He played to have fun (objective of the game), and happened to lose a game while doing something different. End of story.

Does it suck to lose? Yes. Would he have not lost playing something more "meta"? Maybe, maybe not; but that's not the point here. You're arguing that only playing to have fun but losing a game is essentially the same thing as intentionally feeding in any other scenario.

P.S. "Normals" MMR does not count into your Ranked MMR; it's a completely hidden system only there to help the system determine matchmaking in normals.

You still don't gain or lose anything of valuable consequence to your account; the only thing would be you earn less IP from a normals loss than a win. There is no tier system in normals, winning doesn't count toward any goal or end point, you can't reach a certain level in it, etc.

Ranked is the competitive mode, Normals is the practice mode.

Magical Player1 votes

Where in the Phrase Running it Down mid Because you assigned it to be that value does not mean that is its assigned value

Again neither can prove he did or didn't intend we have his word(yeah I vouch for myself woo)

No, I am discussing his scenario there is no one rule to rule them all each is game is unique and different a set of guidelines of did he die alot, was his goal to win, was he flaming, was he being flamed, etc

Normal MMR Ranked MMR are different, yes But they are both hidden The only notation of progress in ranked mmr is a gain of LP(not mmr) which is used to help you determine your mmr There is a tier system in norms, the games are still balanced around a mmr

Bots or the New Practice MODE is Practice Norms is Not Difference of opinions on the game modes

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

Sorry, "Running it down mid" is an idiom, not a colloquialism.

id·i·om ˈidēəm/Submit noun 1. a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light ).

The idiom of "running it down mid" in reference to League, means to intentionally feed.

Magical Player1 votes

Feel free to address the rest :D

Aight, let me rephrase it then so we're clear

My plan: I am King of the Hill What I do: is run down a lane and attack as much stuff as I can before I die Now My goal is have fun, my objective is to win Where is the problem? Difference in strategies can't be punished remember

Chønklord1 votes

There's a difference between a "tactical disagreement" and outright doing something that willfully and knowingly sets you or your teammates behind and/or gives the enemy a obvious advantage. That would be considered intentionally feeding.

Remember, the in-game objective is to destroy turrets and eventually the enemy nexus; not rack up kills like in some death match shooter game.

Now, if you are genuinely attempting to secure an objective with each death and genuinely trying to balance out those deaths with something else gained on the map for your team, and "attacking as much stuff before [you] die" actually furthers that goal, then I have no right to report you. I may not agree with how you're going about securing objectives and creating pressure, but if it works for you then the rest is immaterial.

After all, that's similar to how proxy singed became a thing years ago.

Magical Player1 votes

Wait you agree with it being a tactic then :D

Chønklord1 votes

Yes, read what I said above.

Your example is almost identical to that of a proxy singed player. Of course as proxy singed, you try your best not to give the enemy kills, but sometimes it so happens you will draw the enemy's attention (usually multiple) and they'll catch you. However, you are still creating map pressure and tower pressure by killing off all the minion waves and luring enemy players away from their own lanes. It's a viable, tactical strategy, one that originally Riot was banning the creator for doing; until (you guessed it), enough people were open minded enough to try it and realized it does work.

Now, if you're doing something like a proxy singed but just dying on purpose without bothering to accomplish something to help your team get closer to winning, then yes that would be considered intentionally feeding/trolling.

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