Pretty pathetic how Riot so so desperate for new players that they allow premades free will

coulees89·May 8, 2017·2 votes·3,069 views

They get to say whatever they want in game because they have the larger party and don't actually get any consequences but if I get tired of hearing them and say this back I get perma banned AFTER JUST THAT 1 GAME! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? NO CHAT RESTRICTION. NO NOTHING. JUST PERMA BANNED. MEANWHILE THEY GET TO GO INTO THE NEXT GAME AND JUST RUIN SOMEONE ELSE'S DAY TOO.

Riot's a real piece of work. Always supporting premades over solo players in every situation.

19 Comments

AthinaMay 8, 201717 votes

Being harassed in game doesn't give you a free pass to do the same. You are always responsible for your own actions. If you were punished, that means you were doing something you shouldn't have.

Premades don't have any more power over you than you have over them when it comes to reporting. 1 report is the same as 9 in the context of a single game. You also have no idea that they weren't punished in some way.

Finally, you don't skip straight to a permanent suspension for no reason. Either you're lying and you've been punished in the past, or what you did was so bad that they escalated your punishment tier.

obsesseMay 8, 20171 votes

1 report is the same as 9 in the context of a single game. You also have no idea that they weren't punished in some way.

it's the same really? Where'd you find this information?

And there is instant feedback, which sometimes lets you know if your report resulted in a consequence. I tend to agree that premades have much more freedom when it comes to toxicity. I can't prove it but to my knowledge Riot has not made any counter points.

AeroWaffleMay 8, 20176 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9VrUtrJo,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-05-23T17:35:27.493+0000)

Multiple reports do NOT increase the likelihood of flagging a game for review. One report is all it takes. There is no benefit to asking for others to report a player.

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[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9VrUtrJo,comment-id=00000000000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-03-27T22:15:01.972+0000)

Yes, every time a game is reported, it is reviewed by the system.

That is why we say only 1 report is needed.

obsesseMay 8, 20171 votes

This is somewhat surprising as I have someone type "stfu noob" or something of the sort in almost every single one of my games (that I lose). It's surprising that I experience this level of toxicity in my games and these players (seemingly) go unpunished.

To aid my original point, there's certainly a colloquial sense of unpunished toxicity and it stems from somewhere.

AeroWaffleMay 8, 20175 votes

It's not too surprising since it takes some combination of frequent poor behavior and/or extremely poor behavior for a person to be punished.

It could be that you were part of one of the few games each of these people displayed poor behavior, and thus they weren't hit by the system so long as their behavior was neither severe or frequent enough.

Timethief49May 8, 20173 votes

how do you know they went unpunished though?

obsesseMay 8, 20171 votes

It's not that we know they weren't punished, it's that's we don't know if they were punished or not. I'm thinking players will assume all sorts of things around the issue if they don't know what's going on. To the players who may never visit the boards, they get a toxic kid on their team or enemy team who ruins the game for them, few games go by then it happens again. It's hard (for this player) to trust a system that seems vague and that clearly can't keep a lid on the problem.

Timethief49May 8, 20171 votes

if they say yeah we punished that guy people will go ahead and add those to laugh at them im pretty sure...

AthinaMay 8, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-22T17:41:28.314+0000) I'm happy to shed some light on this.

It only takes 1 report for a game to be reviewed. Punishments (for verbal types) are based entirely on the contents of YOUR chat.

Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed. So, the next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.

It's a little old, but I'm almost certain there have been no changes to the system in that time.

As for feedback, yes, you can get a notification if your report directly resulted in a punishment being issued. Since your report being the one to do this is rare, you don't usually see it often. That doesn't mean that your report is useless when you don't get a notification. It just means that the system hasn't decided that they are ready for a punishment yet.

However, I do see your point and I would like to see more transparency in this area. I don't personally mind if I don't actually see my reports punishing people, but I know others do.

obsesseMay 8, 20171 votes

This certainly makes me feel a lot better about the system, although I agree with you about transparency as I'm not sure I'd learn this without coming here in the first place.

HethaleanMay 8, 20171 votes

How'd you get the impression that multiple reports matter? I assume that you'd run across someone in a game at some point claiming "multiple reports, gg!" or something similar, and then someone telling them that's not true.

obsesseMay 8, 20171 votes

The latter never happened. This is the first time I'm hearing that multiple reports don't matter. Intuitively it makes sense; one call to a police station about a flasher harassing people as they enter a shopping mall may be overlooked or not taken seriously/responded to immediately while multiple calls seems more likely to warrant a response.

RiotRiot TantramMay 8, 201716 votes

This isn't how the system works.

A pre-made has no more power than a solo player.

A report simply flags a game for review. A 4-man pre-made reporting you does not improve the chances of a game being reviewed.

Your ban was due to Riot's zero-tolerance policy towards hate speech, it had nothing to do with the pre-made.

If you do not believe your behavior warranted a penalty, post your chat logs here and I'd be happy to discuss them.

Jo0oMay 8, 20176 votes

Hey, since you're strolling through...

Can you make that clear to more of the League player base? Perhaps through a loading screen tip or similar? So many people call for group reports, which is at best a waste of time and at worst an avenue of baiting (since calling for reports seems to be considered harassment).

HethaleanMay 8, 20175 votes

Logs

YerroFeverMay 8, 20172 votes

Reporting is done by game not by player. So if 3 people report you in one game vs 1 person reports you in a game, it's the same thing.
Chat logs. What is in your ban email that says you were permabanned for one game?
There may have been other factors like you've been punished for other things in the past?

FiddlesOnTheRoofMay 8, 20171 votes

A- you have no idea that your report doesn't result in punishment B- You would have had to say some EXTREMELY bad things to get a first timer perma ban. I recommend posting your chat logs, or you'll find no sympathy here C- Mute button

Jo0oMay 8, 20171 votes

I just got out of a game with what I assume were two duos. They flamed each other and me all game, using tons of hate speech etc.

I ignored it. At the end of the game, I said "Holy crap, you all were extremely unpleasant to play with" and reported them.

I mean, I could have joined in on the flame fest, but what the fuck would the point of that be? I'm not going to make myself seem cooler, I'm not going to make them feel bad about themselves. It wan't worth getting mad over. And if it HAD been worth getting mad over, I'd have just muted them.

SoulhavokMay 8, 20171 votes

Post the chat logs please so people can see what you said to trigger the ban. Would be good for players complaining about instant bans to see what causes it. Seems the message isn't getting across about what causes it.