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We should be able to report in champ select, and here's why...

aMalfunction··51 votes·3,075 views

Was recently in a game, dynamic que for ranked, with a friend of mine. I qued for jungle and top, him for support and mid. I was given the top roll and unsure of who I wanted to play I didn't declare a champ. Our jungle, and first pick, declared Graves. In the ban cycle we banned Udyr, b/c broken and annoying, and he immediately freaked out saying he wanted the option to play him and we shouldn't bm by banning his champ. We explained that you're supposed to declare who you want to play to avoid that issue, and in the mean time the enemy team banned Graves, b/c broken and annoying. He then decided that he was just gonna mid and we could all essentially go to hell. I'm posting the conversation below, with all other summoner names redacted.

This kind of garbage, absolutely unacceptable behavior in champion select, is why we should be able to report people for troll picks, troll bans, or roll stealing without having to suffer through 20 minutes of hell or forcing someone to sacrifice LP and dodge.

You are now in a chat room with your full champion select team. aMalfunction joined the room. Mid joined the room. Jungle joined the room. Support joined the room. ADC joined the room. aMalfunction : so, tanky top huh? aMalfunction : lol Jungle : Ban yasuo or volibear aMalfunction : udyr good ban too Jungle : i might play him Jungle : wtf aMalfunction : might isn't a reason to leave him up Jungle : I said i might play udyr Support : sorry, aMalfunction : if you wanted him you shoulda declared him Jungle : Im not jungle bud aMalfunction : coulda fooled me aMalfunction : says jungle under your name aMalfunction : and you have smite Jungle : Nope Jungle : I Mid aMalfunction : i assume you're all in a party then? Jungle : Nope sry Jungle : Im jungle Jungle : No Jungle : No Jungle : NO Jungle : Im mid Jungle : Sry tf aMalfunction : that's not how this que works anymore "bud" Jungle : Yup going mid either way aMalfunction : you que for the role you're wanting to play Mid : ? aMalfunction : and then you play what it gives you aMalfunction : he's taking your mid Mid : wtf.. Jungle : I didnt queue for jungle and you ban my udyr Mid : report him Jungle : so sry Jungle : Report you aMalfunction : you did que for jungle Mid : pls report him aMalfunction : or it wouldn't have put you there ADC : yas u quede for jg ADC : thats the only way u'll be placed as jg Mid : im fing mid aMalfunction : fing trolls Jungle : U want me to yasuo jungle Jungle : Rly Jungle : Ya right aMalfunction : assholes like this Mid : pls report him aMalfunction : make this game horses**t Jungle : i will jungle ADC : i'll report Support left the room. ADC left the room.

@Riot Why is that sort of behavior being allowed through the cracks? Why are your customers being forced to put up with it or potentially sacrifice a series to people like that?

I'm not trying to shame this guy into better behavior, because let's face it that won't ever happen, but someone should be enforcing this "Summoner's Code" that people agree to when they create their accounts. Players like our Jungler are a massive issue in this community, and frankly are what holds the game and the community back.

34 Comments

Maple Crusader13 votes

The likely reason why this hasn't been implemented is that it could be subject to abuse. Frankly, I hate people who throw a fit in champ select and then the rest of the team has to deal with that individual's tantrum for 20-40 min.

aMalfunction13 votes

I completely agree, but in this instance 2 people took a dodge penalty, and lost LP, because this guy decided he was more important than the team.

Those penalties are going against people that didn't do anything wrong, instead of toward the person causing the problem.

Seems like a pretty serious oversight from Riot here. I'm really surprised that they didn't address that when they put the new que in place, because let's face it this community is filled with toxic people like that Jungler and they should have foreseen those issues.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Not gonna lie dude, that shit is just kinda how the game works. By design each match you are locked in a room with 10 other people. There would be no good way to implement reporting in Champ select unless they had Rioters on staff looking at the chat logs and shit. You just gotta play through, mute, report, and move on.

MAN OF INTELLECT4 votes

Devil's advocate:

The threat of trolls reporting people who make off-meta picks would immediately force a large pool of champions to be unplayable right off the bat. The case you have made is convincing, but I wouldn't want to get reported every time I picked Heimerdinger or something.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Even if those off-meta picks are good against the match-up or team composition.

OR THE HUGE FACT THAT THEY ARE PICKING A NON ADC BOT POSITION BECAUSE THE TEAM HAS LCS TOP MID AND JUNGLE MARKSMAN ALREADY.

Pars Fortuna5 votes

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Devil's advocate:

The threat of trolls reporting people who make off-meta picks would immediately force a large pool of champions to be unplayable right off the bat. The case you have made is convincing, but I wouldn't want to get reported every time I picked Heimerdinger or something.

Sooooo agree! A better system would be something along the lines of a "quit" vote. If things seem grim in champ select, there should be a small window popping up just like the surrender window, where teammates would get to vote whether they would like to leave this champ select without losing any LP if 4 out of 5 team members vote yes. Kind of like a penalty-less consensual queue dodge.

Icestar11861 votes

This is a cool idea.

Pars Fortuna1 votes

Why, thank you! ^^

Moesnd1 votes

That is a really really good idea

aMalfunction2 votes

Frankly, I'm not a huge fan of something that is way out in left field, but it's easy enough to explain to your team "I'm taking ______ in this matchup, trust me" and you're golden.

I main Jungle and Top, and right now the top meta is basically "Pick a champ." Almost anyone can jungle, so if you take a laner you're confident in that has a little CC to enable my ganks or otherwise enhance them, pick away bud.

There's really no meta in my division anyway...at least not one that I've seen. Too much lone wolf mentality in Bronze.

MasterSomething3 votes

I'm slightly sad here as I haven't ever had to deal with this once. Ever. I wondered where my luck has been going to...

aMalfunction4 votes

Well, either you should be playing the lottery, or you're the jungler from that game :P

MasterSomething2 votes

Nope, only choose mid-

I swear that wasn't me. But yea, never had to deal with anybody doing this.

VladimirSnakeyes2 votes

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aMalfunction3 votes

Had he said that he wanted the opportunity to play Udyr prior to the ban that would be true, however that was said only after the ban was made. He didn't declare Graves and ask us to leave Udyr up. The above is a direct copy paste from the lobby, the entire lobby.

VladimirSnakeyes1 votes

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aMalfunction2 votes

I see your point, and if you were basing it on the reality of how things occurred, or some actual knowledge of what happened, then yes the ban would have been trolly and started that terrible ball rolling. Having said that, I was in voice chat with the support that banned Udyr and voiced that Udyr was a good ban as I was typing it. Less than 5 seconds after having sent that to the lobby he banned Udyr, then the junglers comments were made. The ban and the "I might play him" were very closely timed, but the Udyr ban happened first.

Unfortunately there is no timer that shows in those messages, and no way to see the bans in chat, but that is how this particular champ select played out.

What the support did was in no way wrong, your assumption about the situation is. Which is totally fine, but is still wrong.

You've essentially called me a liar twice now, in as nice a terms as you can, based on what you assume happened because it's the internet and I must be lying...but if that were the case would I not have removed my own summoner name from the post to protect myself or at least created a smurf account? I've no incentive to lie about this cue, and no real hope that Riot will do anything, but I do have enough self respect that I wouldn't waste the time to type out all this crap if it was based on a lie.

In the future please don't suppose facts that aren't present. I gain nothing by misrepresenting the situation and you look like a jerk by continuing to accuse me of doing so, even if you never came out and said it.

Xaa2 votes

Thumbs up I hope someone at Riot will see this. It's seriously unacceptable when this happens, and it shouldn't be so difficult to report someone in champ select if it's possible to do it after the game anyway. What's the big deal? Don't we have a system for this kind of behavior? It happens almost every f**king game and Riot refuses to do anything about it.

SettDownShutUp2 votes

If ONLY you could somehow remove trolls from the game before your Queue.

Riot hides shovel that they buried Team Builder with

aMalfunction1 votes

Agreed! I didn't play much TB when it was available but that seemed like a more beneficial que.

Capt Milkshakes1 votes

Oh it was possibly the best que in existence. More to the point of enjoying the game. Riot is more or less correct in thinking New Champion Select is better for team comps. NCS is really good for ranked, but not for casuals or people just wanting to play a decent game with a champion and role they want. TB was perfect. Load times were long (but all loads are long these days), and you got to play who you wanted. Yeah sure Yasuo was screwed out of combos because no one wanted to play a knock up champ, but whatever, Yasuo can knock up his own opponents himself.

I miss Team Builder. I even enjoyed it when I played solo.

OmegaKraid2 votes

It gets worse for you. I've have had bad experiences in Champion Select in the past and I've gone straight to Riot Support. Usually they're amazing people and are very understanding once you get past the automated responses.

So: How does it get worse? They cannot punish a person in pre-game chat if the game never starts. This means that if you queue dodge and then sent this to Riot, they cannot confirm that the behaviour happened because the game was cancelled. So you basically HAVE to play with this person and then report them at the end of the game.

Though they did tell me that they are working on having a function allowing you to report in champion select.

Iqqi1 votes

The reason why something like this doesnt exist is because it just puts a potential band-aid on a much larger problem.

It is pretty obvious Riot's Toxic checker AI system is only getting data from things that were said or transpired during a game. It does not get the toxic trash after 95% of all games in the post game chat. It doesnt get things in the champ select. So even if you report for these things, there is no data to support the action happened.

I had a ranked game were someone didnt get the champ they wanted so they went Teemo jungle. You can imagine how well that went. Did they ruin a ranked game for their team? yes. Will they be punished? absolutely not. Just how the system works today and has worked since day 1 almost.

The issue is Riot has a very different definition of a toxic player than their gaming base. That coupled with the fact that Riot wont ever implement a policy that would have negastive effects on their player base numbers or revenue (why would they, still a for profit company)

So the trick is to find a way to actually fight toxicity while at the same time not banning 10-20% of their player base. I personally would like to see pings expanded a little more and see Riot greatly enhance the threshold for the toxic player chat suspension. Finally I would like to see Riot completely remove the all chat feature. That exists for 1 purpose in normals and ranked and that is to taunt, harass, and provoke your opponents.

The all chat feature outside of custom games does nothing but encourage and promote toxic behavior. Sure you can disable it, but it still exists. It shouldn't. Those who want it around are those who are using it for the above reasons.

ManiacalCoyote2 votes

Actually, Top lane is boring, so I sometimes yak with the enemy top while I farm.

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No More Cages1 votes

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Nether0791 votes

I Agree. I made a post about it as well along with the 'in game'

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/gtn8UE9F-riot-please-fix-this

Grymmstrike1 votes

Allow players to drop out of queue 5 times per day with no penalty and no wait to re-queue. The odds of getting this type of issue five times is pretty low unless you are playing 10 hours a day.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Still penalizes the off-meta players, as now you're playing the odds that everyone on your team either agrees with the idea of (say) Karma jungle or happens to have run out of drops for the day. Otherwise, it's back in queue for you.

MilfHuntUnitM1T1 votes

You're not going to like this answer because you're the average control freak, but,

troll picks, troll bans, or roll stealing

those are all mythical creatures. Even if they existed, they would not be breaking the rules.

aMalfunction3 votes

You're certainly allowed your opinion, but the whole purpose of dynamic que was to prevent people being forced into roles they didn't want and to combat the toxic, and frankly shitty, status of solo que.

By accepting behavior like the above as the norm you're actually contributing to the problem.

Avios11 votes

My typical day in ranked:

Support: I'm going mid Me: Okay, have fun with your ban :)

Usually works.

Also: What summoner's Code? I've heard that Summoners are a thing of the past :/

aMalfunction1 votes

If only threatening that worked. You'd think that swiping someone else's role would strike them as something they shouldn't do, but apparently even in dynamic que it's all about the individual.

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