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When Riot becomes Unethical.

Vidi Vici··1 votes·1,995 views

Zultan of Cows: i need a gank mann Zultan of Cows: really guy/ Zultan of Cows: its 8th minute? Zultan of Cows: better than you Zultan of Cows: i gave up on kaz coming and stop looking at map sorry Zultan of Cows: ill admit im bad you are really bad Zultan of Cows: please report khazix Zultan of Cows: i didnt do anything. if you report for no reason then u get bad rep. so go for it Zultan of Cows: its drafttttttttttttttttttt Zultan of Cows: you cant int in draft wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww Zultan of Cows: bro your the oe who did verbal abuse lolololo Zultan of Cows: how about you report me and i report you and we will see who wins Zultan of Cows: i wasnt being toxic im sure of that Zultan of Cows: you do realize how it works right? obviously you dont / : Post-Game Zultan of Cows: hey other team will you report khazix for being toxic. there in a 4 man and being toxic as fuk Zultan of Cows: like super toxic Zultan of Cows: ya you where. you allowed your tm to bully me and then took his side Zultan of Cows: idc what riot will see khazix being toxic

let me start off by saying that the way you present yourself is sound. I don't agree with what you have to say though. its in my right to stand up for myself. you shouldn't let others bully you and you shouldn't have to go report someone everytime they do something. that's pathetic in my eyes and not necessary, I have higher expectations for the human race. I think if one has a problem with another they should discuss it. if it ends up being an argument or disagreement all you can do is bite your tongue and explain your point of view in a manner that is fitting for the others around them or falls on a medium for generalized moral portfolio for todays beliefs, and if you are not aware of those markers or lack moral compass then yes you can punish.

but I have found that more results strive from people who actually want to be good. I did not say anything that would mentally abuse the other person or people around me. it was not abusive in the slightest. if you cant let people who enter into a game built on your companies architecture and let them talk amongst themselves in agreement or disagreement then that is wrong. not only within your company but you as an individual. because what your doing is enabling your fellow man truly. I would really like this to be escalated because I feel that it is not ethically sound and your doing more dmg than good by having a system in place where you cant even let another human being debate with another to defend himself and staying in the confides of rationality and not being abusive. if you where to object you would be no different than an organization who punishes and frowns upon a different way of thinking. like cults or religious organizations, Im not going to drink your koolaid though.

your system and ethical format comes off completely hypocritical and let me explain why. 5 people go into a game and how they do or act is a result of tons of different variations of possibilities. lets say 4 people do good and one does bad. the whole team suffers. ok now lets say someone is afk well then the people suffer for that, some will report others shrug it off. and there are several other variations but you get the point. so you have 5 people connected through a game that all are intertwined. fate is dealt and they are all stuck together for 30 minutes. do they all depend on each other in that 30 minutes? Yes. do they all have to communicate to some degree to be more successful? No, but it helps towards a greater goal. winning. you have an honor system that is built in place for people who do good at the game, who are kind and show resilience and fervor. BUT - as long as they stay in a bubble that coexists with riots beliefs. to not be able to share my point of view with another party while expressing my self and not doing anything wrong on a mass moral medium that this is normal. its not only normal, its inherent as a more evolved human being tend to do this. its my right to challenge someones actions against me and I did so in a collective ethical manner.

your faculty is to strive for peace and to get results. I get that. and to do so over the internet must be a hard task. but if you where to tell me what I said was wrong than I have lost tons of respect for your company.

feel free to add me in game if the same thing has happened to you or you just want to play.

26 Comments

Chermorg7 votes

You continually argued instead of playing the game.

Definitely punishable.

Zezockary5 votes

You have the right to stand up for yourself in the sense that you can mute them and report them.

You do not have the right to stand up for yourself in the sense that you can retaliate to flame with flame.

You can discuss strategy in chat as long as you don't let it become toxic. Almost everything you said was strictly to put other players down and had no use as far as strategy was concerned.

If you don't like that I am sure there are other platforms out there that will host you.

Vidi Vici1 votes

so your argument was that chat is only used for start based msging? ive never heard that. and if that where in fact the case then any chat that was not relevant to the game should be punished? yes? half of your second sentence is in fact my main argument. that I don't think one should be so reliant on a format that cant stick up for its self in a respected manner. I think that is enabling and flawed. now lets go back to the idea that it was taking away from the game with time and what not. that is the only argument that is relative unless you are in denial of course. and even that argument is walking a line so thin its micro.

Zezockary3 votes

In game chat is only for things that are strictly positive (ex: glhf, nice play, good job) or useful (ex: lets do drag, going to base then gank, do you want blue?). I focused on the strategy aspect in my post because I thought that was the primary point you were arguing.

A huge issue with your argument that you should be able to stick up for yourself in a respected manner is twofold.

First, you didn't do that. What you did was flame the other person. There is nothing respected or respectful about that. It has a strictly negative impact on the game you are in and no place in the game as a whole.

Second, there is no need for it. You can mute them so that you don't have to put up with it and then report them. Then they will most likely realize that people don't like what they are saying when they are punished. This method ensures the least negative impact on your current game and is more likely to improve future ones.

P4ppino3 votes

You shouldn't argue with people during a game dude. You should be PLAYING the game.

Vidi Vici1 votes

how do you define arguing? how do you define debating? how do you find defending yourself? I want you to go look up all definitions of arguing, conversation, debate and all similes.

Chermorg4 votes

Arguing and debate are not appropriate in League unless the debate is over your next strategy.

You continually harassed your teammate and created a negative environment for your team when you did so. Hence why you're punished.

Vidi Vici1 votes

there will be stigma in a argument or conversation when the other party is hostile. so me not saying anything and muting is the best response you have? im sorry but that shows a lack of intelligence. and if everyone on the planet conducted themselves in the manner of which you just spoke of im sure mental evolution would take a few steps back or more like a few centuries. the only grounds that you have right now really is arguing the point that you where taking to much time typing rather than playing. and if that's the case league should put everyone one on a word count and punish accordingly. if you cant properly argue your defense then just don't. I am one of the best litigators in the country right now. I want you to give me something to work with here.

A Swarm of Koala5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T04:22:22.718+0000)

I am one of the best litigators in the country right now. I want you to give me something to work with here.

Didn't realize your parent's house was a country. Grats though.

Vidi Vici1 votes

give me some material so I don't think your a complete waste of time. I mean your probably wont but whatever.

A Swarm of Koala3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T04:33:32.368+0000)

give me some material so I don't think your a complete waste of time. I mean your probably wont but whatever.

I guess they don't teach grammar either.

A Swarm of Koala1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-27T04:10:39.277+0000)

how do you define arguing?

You could look at your post as an example.

Vidi Vici1 votes

no I would much rather you list all the definitions here verbatim. thanks.

A Swarm of Koala3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-27T04:17:57.189+0000)

no I would much rather you list all the definitions here verbatim. thanks.

Definition of argue argued; arguing intransitive verb 1 : to give reasons for or against something : reason

argue for a new policy

2 : to contend or disagree in words : dispute

They're always arguing about money.

transitive verb 1 : to give evidence of : indicate

The facts argue his innocence.

2 : to consider the pros and cons of : discuss

argue an issue

3 : to prove or try to prove by giving reasons : maintain

asking for a chance to argue his case

4 : to persuade by giving reasons : induce

couldn't argue her out of going
Nagahasmyname1 votes

I wouldn't argue with a swarm of koalas, I know from experience. [sg-zephyr]

Vidi Vici1 votes

I have debated with some of the most respected minds in the country. thanks though.

ZackTheWaffleMan5 votes

Proof?

Vidi Vici1 votes

I asked you to put all of the definitions for debating, arguing and syms of the variation so you can compare and other people could. not just arguing. repost again with all definitions and syms. thanks.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

Why do you refuse to do it yourself? Just go to www.dictionary.com

A Swarm of Koala2 votes

{quoted}

Why do you refuse to do it yourself? Just go to www.dictionary.com

They don't teach google in Law School, apparently.

Vidi Vici1 votes

let me get this straight. you are sitting on your computer yes. who cares where. I wont attempt to do moronic retaliations like you. my question is. what are you proving. what points are you making beside the evident unspoken one that you arnt relevant?

A Swarm of Koala2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=00010001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T04:42:24.851+0000)

let me get this straight. you are sitting on your computer yes. who cares where. I wont attempt to do moronic retaliations like you. my question is. what are you proving. what points are you making beside the evident unspoken one that you arnt relevant?

Says the top litigator who chose to contact Riot over the forums instead of emailing their legal department.

If your go-to defense is "show me a dictionary", do you just pretend you've been struck blind when someone actually hands you one? Do you flop on the floor and speak in tongues? Do you act like it's irrelevant unless you've also got a thesaurus and the complete works of Emily Dickinson?

Genuinely want to see into the mind of mommy's best literalgator.

Vidi Vici1 votes

I ask to see references or definitions because you'll see that there really is no difference. youre trying to be clever but instead you throw regurgitate things you've seen on tv. the reason for that is your world is small and its made you ignorant. not only that you pose a retaliation in humor and in all reality your just a poser. you may feel confident in what you said your low intelligence level but the truth is youre miniscule and unnecessary. good luck with the mom jokes. ( : not get the hell off my thread. taking up to much wall space.

RPK9KM4K4A1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zultan of Cows,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=0001000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T06:11:28.930+0000)

I ask to see references or definitions because you'll see that there really is no difference. youre trying to be clever but instead you throw regurgitate things you've seen on tv. the reason for that is your world is small and its made you ignorant. not only that you pose a retaliation in humor and in all reality your just a poser. you may feel confident in what you said your low intelligence level but the truth is youre miniscule and unnecessary. good luck with the mom jokes. ( : not get the hell off my thread. taking up to much wall space.

Are you sure you are not referring to yourself? All you did so far is "ask for dictionary definitions" to try to weasel your way out.

A Swarm of Koala1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serene Grace,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oI7JlB6E,comment-id=00010001000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-28T01:44:11.559+0000)

Are you sure you are not referring to yourself? All you did so far is "ask for dictionary definitions" to try to weasel your way out.

And then he got even more weaselly when I provided a definition lol.

Mcsquzzy1 votes

Late to party but here's a quick run down. Player agrees to Tos Player breaks Tos Player gets banned as per Tos Player reaches out to community Community agree with rito Player writes off community as inferior to his/herself All while showing their own failure to follow the agreement Gbye

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