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Tribunal System Question

jCZOSTZLOJ··3 votes·1,078 views

I recently was banned for 14 days because I was very toxic and deserved it. I am doing my very best to be a more positive member of the community and have decided to stream so that I have to hold myself accountable for my words in game. Because of the stream, I now have evidence that supports my "I'm not being toxic" claims in the future. I was recently in a game with a 4 man premade, as the odd man out, and as the game progressed all of their mistakes became MY fault. This is typical. I only went into chat to apologize and reassure them that I was trying my best. They flamed me and I'm ASSUMING reported me afterwards. This leads to my question: BECAUSE I have video evidence that I literally ONLY said "I'm sorry" "I'm trying my best" and ONE instance of "I think we can still win if we work together" (trying to keep morale high), will the tribunal permanban me for my past toxic behavior (because it seems to be based off percentages), or will it look at the actual chat log? Sorry for the book. Please help!

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SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Reports are not just assumed valid. The only thing reports do is trigger reviews of your behavior. Punishments are based on what you do, not how many times you are reported. False reports are thrown out and the value of the reporters future reports goes down.

jCZOSTZLOJ1 votes

Genuine question (I know this may SEEM troll, but honest to God I'm just curious): When Riot makes comments about bans on players like Incarnati0n and say "In X% of his games he was reported for verbal." or similar stuff... That means they PROVED he was toxic in X% of his games? Seems harsh bc those percentages were over 50 when they make posts like that.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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Genuine question (I know this may SEEM troll, but honest to God I'm just curious): When Riot makes comments about bans on players like Incarnati0n and say "In X% of his games he was reported for verbal." or similar stuff... That means they PROVED he was toxic in X% of his games? Seems harsh bc those percentages were over 50 when they make posts like that.

I would think that means validated reports, but I guess I can't confirm that. It wouldn't surprise me if he did have valid reports against him in 50% of his games. Didn't they basically create a new punishment tier for this guy, lifetime ban? Normally they only ban accounts and people are free to create a new account if they want, but in his case, all discovered smurfs were instantly banned.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

You actually don't need to save evidence. All chat logs are saved (along with game data), and they will be checked to verify the reports. False ones will be thrown out and lower the report weight of those players' future reports.

Punishment is also calculated per match, not per report, so it doesn't matter how many people in a match report you; 1 is the same as 9. More of them won't make the system check your match any harder.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/reports-how-do-they-work

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4737274&page=13#post48926281

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/133759089858

jCZOSTZLOJ2 votes

I just have a hard time believing that being reported once in a game is the same as 9 when an LCS coach says on his stream that Korean solo queue is a better community bc reports are only sent in if you REALLY deserve it whereas NA just reports away and "9X" happens "quite often." But, I see what you're saying and the links back it up.

Eyyy its Sogole1 votes

Because of the pre-made teams 9x reports are counted as 1. If you were in a 4-1 vs 5 and the enemy team whould report you aswell you whould have 9 reports. This isn't fair because the pre-made teammates have vote as one.

MeilinII2 votes

The system is designed to check chatlogs. If the reports are baseless, you won't be punished. HOWEVER You need to understand that after a 14-day ban, ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY AGAINST THE RULES WILL RESULT IN A PERMA. This includes:

  1. Asking for reports (plz report XXXX for afk) - note this is unnecessary anyways as 1 report is the same as 9.
  2. passive-aggressive chat (Can't carry this XXXX // great job with that death, XXXX ))
  3. preemptive "GGs" (Saying GG because you think you've lost already)
  4. "GG EZ"
  5. anything that makes anyone in the game have a poor experience (your team, or the opponents) if you were smart, you'd /mute all for the next 9 months, minimum. And remember: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW YOU REACT TO TROLLS/AFKS/FLAMERS. If you feed them, you deserve your ban.
jCZOSTZLOJ1 votes

Right on. Thanks. I don't say anything but "I'm sorry" and "I'm trying my best" from now on!

l PRIDE l2 votes

I just made this same rant almost I was playing with a 4 man premade team and they just blamed me for everything I did and they did I became so fed up I blew up on them because when there is a premade the odd one out gets singles out gets all the blame and reported

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Getting reported does nothing to you if you did nothing though. They can report you all they want, but unless you blow up it has no effect. Their harassing you, however, makes your reports against them valid.

R3alMoney2 votes

No human "reviews" anything. The tribunal is completely in the hands of a machine that is "learning." And it's learning that everyone who says anything remotely negative is a toxic human worthy of punishment. At this point, it is literally dishing out 14 day bans to anyone who is toxic or responds back to toxicity in any manner other than complete silence/muting. In addition, any prior offense results in an automated permaban. Approximately 70 million players monthly, of which 0.2% get suspended. You do the math. It's not only cleaning up toxicity, it's cleaning up free speech altogether. But nobody at Riot cares about that, in fact, Riot is completely owned by Tencent now, a Chinese company. Behold the fascist era of eSports.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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No human "reviews" anything. The tribunal is completely in the hands of a machine that is "learning." And it's learning that everyone who says anything remotely negative is a toxic human worthy of punishment. At this point, it is literally dishing out 14 day bans to anyone who is toxic or responds back to toxicity in any manner other than complete silence/muting. In addition, any prior offense results in an automated permaban. Approximately 70 million players monthly, of which 0.2% get suspended. You do the math. It's not only cleaning up toxicity, it's cleaning up free speech altogether. But nobody at Riot cares about that, in fact, Riot is completely owned by Tencent now, a Chinese company. Behold the fascist era of eSports.

There is so much misinformation here.

I mean you are correct that the system is automated. So a person doesn't review every or even most punishments. However, they review random samplings to track accuracy. Which last I heard was like 1 in 6000 reviewed cases had a mistake. You can always submit a support ticket to get them to review your punishment.

Bans aren't even normally the first punishment handed out. By the time you are banned you have either been repeatedly negative or severely negative. By the time someone is getting permabanned there is no meaningful hope that someone will change. So they are removed.

Your problem is with the policy, not the automation. It is extremely accurate. You just don't agree with what the system is told to look for.

nerak231 votes

No human "reviews" anything.

100 % Not true !! People are wearing out this excuse, Real people look at real chat logs and use many other tools to determine certain punishments.

The only part of the system I can think of that is fully automated is LB and you don't need a human to tell you a person disconnect from the game.

I'm not bothering to reply to the rest of this rant.

Hop on Ward1 votes

there is no tribunal. the tribunal has not existed for over 2 years. there is only big brother lyte and his insanely stupid algorithms that automatically ban someone for random BS or complete blown of proportion issues. you probably wont be banned, but if you are it will be 30 days, and the 3rd will be permanent. be careful though, or you may end up like my former account where you're perma banned for "renekton i dont think that build is optimal" - gg lyte

MeilinII2 votes

There is so much incorrect information in this that you should not take a word in this post even semi-seriously. The only part that's right is that the tribunal is gone for now.

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