Comfused? Toxicity and bans... Feels unfair...

SGP Temptation··4 votes·356 views

So I am new to the rift than most I suppose, and I am astonished at how unfair/ biased the ban system is. I just received a 14 day ban today, and although I understand that my toxicity lead to punishment, what I don't understand is how others are able to play freely. Every game I play in (nearly) has extremely toxic players, yet I am the one to be punished for fighting back? I know I am new to league than most, but that just doesn't seem right. How is it possible that literally everyone qualifies as "toxic" yet majority of them are not punished? My question is: what are we supposed to do? Are we expected to mute everyone and trap ourselves in a box to avoid conflict? I honestly don't understand how the system can be so corrupt in such a big company. Genuinely what should I do if I wish to continue playing? I always heard of the system being unfair, but didn't agree until now...

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Kei1433 votes

It actually is pretty fair.

You are judged by your own actions alone.

They are judged by their actions alone.

Nothing you say will affect their punishment and vice versa.

You have full control of your keyboard, fingers and what you decide to type. So no one is really forcing you to do anything.

Riot punishes based on consistency x severity. Mild toxicity over tonnes of games will get you punished. Hate speech / homophobia speech will get you punished in a few games.

You'll get punished when you've crossed the line. They'll get punished when they cross the line. A pretty fair system tbh.


Unless your game was the one that punished them, you won't receive a punishment notification. No notification if it was building towards their case, and certainly not when they are punished down the road.

Due to how the system works right now, it made a lot of people feel like the system isn't working. Riot is aware of this problem and would probably release new features to tackle this problem space after the new client is up and running smoothly.


In regards to resolving conflict, fighting back at them would just make you just like one of them. and both will get punished.

Just mute them and focus on playing the game.

SGP Temptation2 votes

That's not really my problem. My problem was that I don't understand how everyone/ majority can seem toxic. I'm not saying that they don't get punished eventually if the proceed, it's that so many people show toxicity. And if so, does that mean that people can just "be toxic every other game" and get away with it? I have never seen this problem in any other online gaming experience I've had except for LoL. I understand that if I am (consistently) toxic, I will be punished. What I am upset about is the fact that Riot actively punishes one side of the fight, yet leaves the other alone. I've had games with nice people, and toxic. It gets quite upsetting when I am constantly bombarded with toxic players harassing me. So far the only piece of advice that I found was to "victimize yourself all the time and sit quietly" which seems rediculious. Just because not everyone reports a person doesn't mean that they aren't toxic.

Kei1431 votes

That's not really my problem. My problem was that I don't understand how everyone/ majority can seem toxic. I'm not saying that they don't get punished eventually if the proceed, it's that so many people show toxicity. And if so, does that mean that people can just "be toxic every other game" and get away with it?

What you (and many of the new people) are experiencing is what I'd like to call 'toxicity pocket'. When the toxicity levels are pretty high and are frequently seen.

Toxics that have their accounts 14-day banned / permabanned start a new account and play whilst continuing their regular ways of toxicity.

These people are typically the worst of the crop. They do get banned again (typically even before they hit level 30) and then they start a new account again, cos they are addicted to the game. Thus the cycle of toxicity pocket continues.




I understand that if I am (consistently) toxic, I will be punished. What I am upset about is the fact that Riot actively punishes one side of the fight, yet leaves the other alone.

The system isn't bias. It doesn't activity punish one side of the fight nor does it leave the other side alone. If they are consistently toxic, they'll be punished as well.

As I have mentioned before, the system punishes based on consistency x severity. If you use hate speech / homophobia language, you will be punished within a handful of games. It can even skip punishment tiers, which is probably why you got a 14-day ban first instead of chat restrictions.

What you can't get over is "why am I punished and not them?" or "If I was punished, then so should them!!"

Others are at a different toxicity threshold than you. They could:

  • Play more games (if they weren't toxic in those games, then they are less toxic consistently)
  • Play less games (meaning the system hasn't caught up to them yet)
  • Have other accounts (toxicity consistency is spread out amongst other accounts)
  • Could be punished the next game and you'll never know
  • Could be already punished with a chat restriction and you'll never know that either

As I've mentioned before, the system isn't good at showing that it is working, thus it may FEEL like it is bias , but it really isn't. What's happening to you is happening to the other side as well.




So far the only piece of advice that I found was to "victimize yourself all the time and sit quietly" which seems rediculious. Just because not everyone reports a person doesn't mean that they aren't toxic.

Muting them and focusing on the game is not the same as victimizing yourself. It is walking away from the situation and 100% defusing it as you can't have an argument alone.

You can still report them after and let the system do its job.

All a report does is to ask the system to check for toxicity. If so, the system will flag the account and start /continue building a case towards them.

Multiple reports within the same game doesn't get someone punished faster. Its like asking "is the light turned on?", even if multiple people ask at the same time the answer will be the same. It was purposely programmed that way to prevent group bullying against a premade team vs a solo player. Especially when the solo player didn't do anything wrong.

caresnot1 votes

I think toxicity is a problem in the community reguadess... tbh whether you're toxic or not, no matter how you frame it, toxicity is a rampant problem in the community. It gives new(er) players a hard time to adjust to the... toxic... (see what I did there?) waters of the game.

SGP Temptation1 votes

Preach ❤️👏

SGP Temptation1 votes

I did receive the chat bans. Sure I might be toxic in some of my games but I NEVER use hate speech. (Unless you consider stuff like "desperate" "Cy@" and "thirsty" as hate speech?) For the record I see a lot of people say stuff like that and I never thought of it as toxic or a reason to report. But that's my own personal problem that I have to work on. And no offense, just asking, but where are you getting this information from? I searched for so long and wasn't able to find anything useful. Is there like a website or a section on the Riot site that I can get help/ read on issues like this? (Like a FAQ or something?)

Kei1431 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-

There are also lots of Rioter post (which are hell to search for on this forums) that have mentioned different stances on how the system works.

If you don't know what you are punished for, you can post your chat logs and we can disect them for you.

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