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chat banned cause teammate got all to report me. how is this even remotely fair?

AhriCakes··3 votes·831 views

basically i had a support nass that i had played againest the previous game end of that game he basically said any time i see you i gonna get the full team to report u. i dismissed it as highly unlikely i ever see him again. sure nuff next game i get a role i not so great at adc. he locks in nasus support. and he proceeds to feed. roughly 15 min in he sarts to flame me at this point i was 4-1. 2 or so minutes later renger ganks get a double kill that is fine. then i comment renger dont take both kills and cs i need that xp. so as the game gose on i sart falling behind at a certain point i was down 3 levels.and all of other teams carries where fed. my team asked me to group i said i cannot right now i need to catch up they one shotting me. then nasus and reng both begged the veiger on my team to report me for not grouping he wasnt gonna at first. so i then muted both rengar and nas. at the end of the game screen nas spent 15 plus minutes begging veig to report me along with renger and him that is three reporting me. all i guilty of is letting my team know that i was to weak to team fight and told them how i was planning to come back by farming up. but support says i am arguing. here is the chat logs

[36:41] (Miss Fortune): i will not stay with you greedy renger [36:52] (Miss Fortune): reng it just isn't worth getting ksed by you [37:03] (Miss Fortune): i get more money farming [37:24] (Miss Fortune): um [37:31] (Miss Fortune): not true [38:27] (Miss Fortune): me saying i wont fight isn't reportable i have good reason [38:48] (Miss Fortune): my reasoning is it just isn't worth [39:09 (Miss Fortune): i am so far behind grouping only loses me even more xp [39:17] (Miss Fortune): very simple till i catch up i useless [40:17] (Miss Fortune): fact is look at how many levels they ahead of me [40:23] (Miss Fortune): i get one shot [40:42] (Miss Fortune): veig look at the logic why i not fighting [40:56] (Miss Fortune): i super behind all of them one shot me now

So aprerently my chat ban stands all of this is arguing ?????? My only intent was to inform my team why i cannot team fight till i catch up. As a result of this convo i get chat banned i see nothing here to warrant chat ban. Now the nasus begging people to report cause he is unhappy with me for beating him the previous game is the real problem.

39 Comments

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

This is the entirety of the logs you received in your reform card?

AhriCakes1 votes

yes it is i mean i can post the full game on youtube so yall can see how far behind i was and why i whould say something and rengar being so greedy.

TiltoverEnforcer4 votes

1=9

Silent Gravity3 votes

This looks like an edited chatlog. It appears to be a selection provided by support to highlight part of why you were punished, and not your entire reform card.

AhriCakes1 votes

support said that was the exact thing that triggred the chat ban nothing else so i posted it very confused i thought i was lettign my team know i need to catch up.

Sunka2 votes

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Ekitaih2 votes

{quoted}

This is exactly my point in the "To Report or Not Report, Who gives a Damn!" discussion board. It doesn't matter what you say, and if this is really all you said, then it is an even greater example of that point.

The chat report system is exactly that, a CHAT report system. You can do whatever you want in game, but if you say anything (good or bad), regardless of context (and somebody gets butthurt by it), you will get penalized. At this point it is better to simply say nothing, effectively making the chat system pointless.

It’s not based on amount of reports. One report flags the account. Multiple reports does not change the account status. It’s still flagged. I’ve been reported before by both teams because my team mates were in a four man and they trolled me and had enemy team report me. I wasn’t banned because there wasn’t reason to ban me. I didn’t acknowledge them but I did speak to enemy team. It’s easy. Just don’t be a jerk. As for the OP it looks like you were instigating an argument which is probably why you were chat banned. By calling the Rengar greedy and stating that he would only KS you was definitely instigating.

Sunka1 votes

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Ekitaih1 votes

{quoted}

I didn’t say it offended me. And I also didn’t say it was toxic. (You’re not always banned for being just toxic but yes, toxicity is different to different people.) What I said was his responses instigated an argument and he was also arguing in game. Arguing can be very distracting to players thus it is frowned upon. You basically disregarded everything I said while still trying to prove your own point. When is it ever beneficial to ask someone if they are attempting to lose? If they are new to the game, this is obviously instigating. I can’t think of an in which this question would be appropriate. I’m sure I have been reported several times. But I try to be respectful when playing the game. Thus, I haven’t been banned. So you’re idea is flawed, for sure.

Sunka1 votes

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Ekitaih1 votes

{quoted}

You are implying that the person must know if someone is new or a veteran. That is illogical. You are not contributing to this argument, only confounding yourself with your already pre-held belief that if you are "respectful" then you will be fine. I'm sorry to tell you, but you can be "respectful" and still ask questions about another player's activity.

If that is true, then how does the question “Are you trying to lose?” help the game at all? It’s been proven that if you are respectful of others, you will not get banned. And if you do get banned for a misconception based on trigger words, Riot will even go back and unban you. This is again assuming you’re respectful in the game. Not trolling. Not incessantly arguing or flaming. I talk in pretty much all my games. I believe it adds to the fun. I know for a fact that I have been reported in several games. But not a single ban has been implemented. Thus your logic of “no matter what you say, good/bad, you will get banned,” is flawed. I’m refuting your logic, which is, in fact, contributing to this argument.

AhriCakes1 votes

i can how about mf can you group with us so we can team fight?

Built to Tylt1 votes

Well, then, you were pretty fucking lucky, dude. I see this shit happen all the time. And explaining a game mechanic (ie needing to farm if he can safely do so to catch up) then he needs to as an adc. And who's to say if the rengar did nothing but sit in a bush, not even poking, and only hopped out for the KB? I've had teams report me because I wouldn't group with them when they were making stupid ass decisions. Not worth to lose game because they all go and group and throw instead of defending.

Ekitaih1 votes

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Well, then, you were pretty fucking lucky, dude. I see this shit happen all the time. And explaining a game mechanic (ie needing to farm if he can safely do so to catch up) then he needs to as an adc. And who's to say if the rengar did nothing but sit in a bush, not even poking, and only hopped out for the KB? I've had teams report me because I wouldn't group with them when they were making stupid ass decisions. Not worth to lose game because they all go and group and throw instead of defending.

Regardless of what people do or say in game you should always be respectful when playing. He stated that he refused to help because his team was just going to KS thus instigating an argument. Throwing greedy in there for good measure was sure to aggravate the Rengar. Thus the argument above ensued. Worrying about “KSing” really isn’t indicative of working as a team in the first place. You’re all playing the game to win. Fighting in a team fight is part of being a team. If he was worried they wouldn’t do enough damage to help he could have expressed that without attempting to tilt the other player. “Hey, I don’t think I’m strong enough to help. I’m going to farm for now.” He’s clearly refusing to group by stating “I will not stay with you greedy Rengar.” I think the chat restriction was deserved, but that is simply my humble opinion.

Built to Tylt1 votes

Disagree.

But we don't know the actual circumstance. I've had far too many games where my lane partner literally sits on CS doing nothing, even when 3-4 teammates are there, UNLESS THEY CAN LAST HIT. Fuck those people. Boosting their own stats without contributing to the game. Tired of that trash in games. Get carried.

AhriCakes1 votes

i did state that i felt useless till i chaught up.

AhriCakes1 votes

that comment was simple they asked me to group and it was more ment to be like hey i behind need to farm and you ksing dosent help me catch up period. i sated that not for any other reason other then to be like hey if you gank dont take both farm and kills pick one i will get to far behind if you sapp my xp like that and i will be useless to try to help us win.

Built to Tylt2 votes

I've been saying this shit all year but people (and fucking RIOT) still wanna deny it. You can literally say NOTHING and still get banned because a group gangs up on you.

Deep Terror Nami8 votes

Well, the OP isn't showing the whole logs. It's impossible to get punished for chat if you didn't chat. Group reports don't do anything, any number of reports always results in a review of that player's behavior and the review is conducted the same whether it was 1 or 9 reports.

Built to Tylt1 votes

I will forever - for fucking ever - contest that multiple reports 'in one sitting have no effect' are NOT TRUE. I have been victim to this and will tell you straight up that Riot fucking lies. You'll be better off if you stop holding them up on a pedestal.

And I never said the OP didn't type. I never said a restriction had to have chat logs.

Karunamon2 votes

Contest it all you want, you're still wrong. The Rioter that wrote the system copy pasted the relevant code from the reporting system for crying out loud.

If you got punished, it's because you did something punishable. End of story.

AhriCakes1 votes

so giving team heads up why i cant fight and how i plan to catch up is toxic to you? lettign rengar know he is being greedy and hurting me is toxic.

Built to Tylt1 votes

We all know companies never lie.

Let's just forget everything they said about BE and IP and shards versus champion pools and leveling systems. All that was exactly as promised, huh?

Riot never lies. They always tell you exactly what they're doing. Right. No reason not to trust every thing they say.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

I will forever - for fucking ever - contest that multiple reports 'in one sitting have no effect' are NOT TRUE

It's your word against the Rioter that literally writes the IFS. He has no reason to lie about this (rather, he has reason to not lie, because betraying our trust over something so simple hurts not helps them) and there is no evidence contradicting him. I'm not holding him up on a pedestal, it's just reasonable to believe him over you. If you have any evidence, show it.

And I never said the OP didn't type. I never said a restriction had to have chat logs.

I wasn't talking about the OP, but about players in general concerning your claim that;

You can literally say NOTHING and still get banned because a group gangs up on you

That isn't true at all, as far as punishment for chat goes. You cannot be punished for chat if you said nothing wrong, and especially if you said nothing at all. There are many many chat logs posted here on the boards from Reform Cards, and you want to know what 100% of them have in common? Toxic chat.

Please show what you think is evidence for your claims so we can help clear up this confusion you have with how the system works. I get that you might be frustrated with a punishment, but believing these things simply because you fear they are true doesn't help anyone.

Chermorg2 votes

What proof do you have of your idea other than "I know"?

I cannot speak for everyone else but I can guarantee you that my posts are based on information and statistics I've gathered over many months perusing these boards. If anyone can prove me wrong or even provide evidence that something I say is incorrect, I certainly welcome that and will change accordingly.

We are all here to help people, and that requires posting with the most accurate information possible. The system is very private and so we don't have exacts, but we have to go off what we do have until some new info comes. If you have such info that would prove your claim, please make a thread with it. Otherwise, it is you versus the preponderance of evidence.

AhriCakes1 votes

basically he said that is exactly what he was gonna do the end of game screen the game prior to this one i stomp his team and he was angry i thought nothing of it. so i wrote it off was just unfortunate to get him the very next game on my team so he can make good on his threat.

Built to Tylt1 votes

{quoted}

What proof do you have of your idea other than "I know"?

I don't need to prove to anyone what my experience has shown me. I'm not here to convince you. I simply stated (and agreed with the OP) that reports don't work the way they are stated to. I am simply here as someone whom has shared the same experience. I don't care about your need for proof. Those that have experienced situations such as this need only to know that they are not the only ones.

This isn't about you and your need for proof. Not everything is about you.

AhriCakes2 votes

that is copy directly from support ticket he said that what iposted was the issue and what triggred the chat ban. so that is all of it. there was nothing but that no other games even just exactly that.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

It sounds like they gave you a snippet of your logs to discuss in the ticket. When you log into the client while still under the restriction, the Reform Card will display your logs for the entire match in the 1-3 games it provides; player support can see it, but we can't and that's why you should post that instead of the section they pulled.

AhriCakes1 votes

i compleated the chat ban but yeah the one you log in and see said exact same thing i had them muted at the sart and didnt talk so that is why the chat log is 30 plus min in. i decided it wasnt right to not let my team know why i wasnt trying to fight. only reason i even spoke up. but like i said reform card said same as what i posted.

AhriCakes1 votes

i used to be a believer that multiple reports dose nothing. But now with this happening a second time i not so sure. it makes me question the multiple reports thing.

Kei1432 votes

It looks like some stuff was missing from before 36 mins in game.

AhriCakes1 votes

it the only thing i said all game i had both rengar and nas muted when they sarted to flame people in champ select. i only unmuted them at that point and then spoke. i tried to ignore them.

Mindspeaker2 votes

chat banned cause teammate got all to report me

The number of people that report you is irrelevant only "one" starts the cycle,.

Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Tactrix1 votes

You get banned for sneezing these days, autoban bots will give you strikes if you get reported enough without doing anything wrong. "If you put a cop on anyones tail for 500 miles they're gonna get a ticket".

Xidphel1 votes

Having 9 people report you is the same as having 1 person report you.

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