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League of Banning for Money

VladimirKruschev··3 votes·1,008 views

Game 1 VladimirKruschev: xD VladimirKruschev: gj VladimirKruschev: wtf VladimirKruschev: why do neither of you chase teemo with me VladimirKruschev: im blitz VladimirKruschev: luc im sorry im not helping your friends anymore VladimirKruschev: dude VladimirKruschev: dude VladimirKruschev: seriously VladimirKruschev: i am blitz VladimirKruschev: do you hve any clue VladimirKruschev: your friends cant get kills VladimirKruschev: waiting until we're all dead to do anything is not a good idea VladimirKruschev: im reporting this ekko for just farming and ignoring the team the entire game VladimirKruschev: lol says the thresh that couldnt land a single grab all lane VladimirKruschev: in fact, you didnt even throw a single one until lvl 3 VladimirKruschev: gg ekkos first time playing normals VladimirKruschev: botted all the way to3 0 VladimirKruschev: GET IN THERE VladimirKruschev: OMFG VladimirKruschev: PUSSY TEAM VladimirKruschev: tell yourself that? VladimirKruschev: lol thresh VladimirKruschev: thresh is crying because he got beat in lane VladimirKruschev: hes winning because you dont know how to league of legends yi :D VladimirKruschev: reporting yi for intentional feed and cooperating with enemy team VladimirKruschev: so do you VladimirKruschev: idc VladimirKruschev: they cant play this game so it doesnt matter VladimirKruschev: lucian only one thats good VladimirKruschev: reported thresh VladimirKruschev: lol thresh your team is carrying you and me and luc and carrying us you are just trying to make yourself VladimirKruschev: feel better

TL;DR - League cares more about compounding problems and making money than finding a real true solution

So this is how league of legends works ladies and gentlemen. You get picked with a team that is all together and have played hundreds of games of League of Legends and then they flame bait games. I do everything I can to work with my team, ping them, signal them, support them. And what do they do? Completely ignore me and do nothing to play this game aka teamwork and teamfighting. As soon as I say anything they all turn on me and then start spamming /all chat to turn the enemies on me because this is how people abuse the reporting system. Which Riot does a good job of hiding what all the other players say in these chat logs because, for example, if there was a line there that said "you have cancer" there would be 3 lines above that one that other players flamed me and said I had cancer first and merely said it to bait me saying it back to them in response that way they can all gang report me. This is the real problem with toxicity and flaming in this game. But it's no wonder this problem arises, so much time is spent on doing nothing but banning people and treating the chat system like nazis.

I had just got off of a 2 week suspension that I got for absolutely no reason, I said some bad words randomly for fun because everybody on both teams did then after the game somebody reports my entire team for something a teammate said and I end up getting suspended for the random bad word that I said to nobody in any kind of malicious way. But no, Riot cannot simply just restrict my chat or take away my chat, they have to just BAN my account. So tell me Riot, why do you have such a big problem trying to get new players into this game when all the low level matches are filled TO THE BRIM with players who are all banned from this dictatorship chat system. So then you have toxic lvl 5 smurfs running around making newcomers to this game frightened and afraid and quiting before they even get into the door. But hey, if Riot bans peoples accounts then they'll have to re-buy all those skins that they spent so much time and effort collecting all for Riot to snatch away instantly because you didn't conform to pretending to be nice everygame which includes flamers and trolls and people purposefully throwing ranked games and games in general.

It's funny how we care about taking ranked seriously but you could feed and troll and make people lose ranked games on purpose all day long and you will never get punished by says "GG EZ" one time and you're in BIG TROUBLE. Nothing this game does is in favor or effort of trying to help people prevent themselves and others from being toxic. The game offers only seriously restricted key-binding options so you cannot even unbind your ENTER key if you wanted to. "Well just mute them" Great point. Just mute and ignore everybody on your team every game. Amazing, except when you do that you are fundamentally denying the very principles that this game is founded upon. Which is teamwork and communication. But now, everybody is either so afraid to either 1. Get banned for saying ANYTHING in chat or 2. Getting flamed by toxic players. So what happens? Everybody just ignores each other? How are you supposed to play this game where teams just ignore each other every single game? That equates to zero logical sense.

Oh and by the way, about the email I'm supposed to receive about how you make up some excuse to ban my account and waste my time and money I still have not received. Which I don't expect anybody to care about at all because this is League of Ignore-all-the-problems-we-are-too-afraid-to-face instead of trying to implement actual systems into the game that works. Also, people have been literally complaining about your matchmaking system since season 1, you wonder why so much toxicity is created by your hidden elo system is horrid and you have every game with a mix of people who are trying to play the game and people who dont have any intention of doing anything serious and will possibly troll just to have fun.

21 Comments

EvilDustMan5 votes

tl;dr: I got punished for being a tool to my team, Riot must be Satan.

Kei1434 votes

nice.

so heres what you do now:

  1. start a new account
  2. buy an XP boost so you don't have to deal with the baddies and level up faster
  3. buy the champion pack so you don't have to be stuck with baddie champs in the free rotation
  4. buy RP to buy runes to stomp dem baddies again
  5. be toxic again
  6. be banned again
  7. come complain on the forums again
  8. ???
  9. profit for rito

So when are you going to leave the game and stop complaining?

VladimirKruschev1 votes

My accounts aren't bought like the rest of new players ive made them all in season 2 or earlier to play with friends and buy new champs. I've actually been working for all of my stuff instead of paying to win because I do not support Riot because they care more about making money than paying attention to the game. This has been the case since day one, you guys think people complaining about this issue is new, but it's the oldest issue in the book.

Kei1431 votes

oh I don't care about what you did back then.

I'm just telling you to follow the above instructions for your new account, should you decide to start a new account.

IcyPepper3 votes

Is it wrong if I started reporting these kind of threads for spam? Because I don't think complaining about earned punishments is considered relevant "discussion."

:/

Revolucious1 votes

from what i've seen this forum is basically the "ban appeal/ban explanation" forum, i rarely see any discussion ever about more than "i got banned pls interpret my punishment log"

ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

from what i've seen this forum is basically the "ban appeal/ban explanation" forum, i rarely see any discussion ever about more than "i got banned pls interpret my punishment log"

Well this forum is mostly here for those who actually want to have a healthy discussion about topics behavior related. Unfortunately the majority of people we see here are ones who don't actually want to have a discussion, but just only want some Yesman answers instead. When they don't get them they get mad and start exhibiting the same behaviors that got them punished in the first place. There are those occasional players who come here actually looking for a healthy discussion, but sadly those are few and far between from what I've seen.

scazzman3 votes

He has a valid point

Naenia3 votes

I don't understand why people just don't mute all. Like seriously, there would be a lot less toxicity in this community and way fewer QQ threads like this because there would be less acct/chat bans.

Revolucious2 votes

i've found that resizing the chat so it's not visible also works well with this so you can't even read the chat. can't wait for a day when riot allows an option to delete all socialization with other players, disable chat and unbind enter key options would be great

Naenia1 votes

When I first started playing league, I actually sent a customer service ticket to Riot requesting this. I asked if they would be able to implement a 'disable chat' option. They basically told me they can't do that and to just use the mute button.

AdeBug1 votes

If you know they're a 4 man (I think that's what you're saying, that you got reported by your team mates?) then calling them a pussy team in caps will not help your case, doh. If they do report and see the chat, you just hung yourself. Best to endure, win or loss, what matters for you now I guess is to not get banned, so don't feed the trolls. This paste alone incriminates no one else but yourself. Yes the game is full of trolls but we can't do much but report and report.

obsesse1 votes

This is a perfect example of Riot's possibly broken punishment system.

The OP was definitely toxic, no doubt about that. However, if 8/10 people are being toxic in a game can you really single out one person and say they deserved to be punished? I'm uncomfortable giving this player a permaban even after reading this. I would like to review what everyone in chat said and see how warranted this player's behavior may be. That being said, there are things this player said that should be punished regardless of what anyone else in game does.

VladimirKruschev: gg ekkos first time playing normals VladimirKruschev: botted all the way to3 0 VladimirKruschev: GET IN THERE VladimirKruschev: OMFG VladimirKruschev: PUSSY TEAM

This type of behavior should be punished no matter what. Permabanned? I wouldn't personally. I think a message explaining what exactly is "toxic" about this behavior and information about reform is necessary. Either a chat-restriction period (10-20 games) or a 3-day ban from summoner's rift/treeline would suffice. I would also implement a probation period where all reports, even automated, are manually reviewed and evaluated. This would be to ensure that no other toxic players somehow abuse the automated system to pick on anyone who is going through the reform process. Depending on how many/type of offense, I may also instate a quiz of some sort to better explain what is toxicity and what is good player behavior. This quiz would follow a short video, statement, some method of presenting information that hopefully explains Riot's thought process and punishment process in general.

All of this seems excessive, sure, but it seems much better than the current system if the goal is reform. If the goal is simply to remove toxic players then none of this conversation matters.

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name= sepuuku,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=npzty90P,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-08-08T21:38:22.403+0000)

This is a perfect example of Riot's possibly broken punishment system.

The OP was definitely toxic, no doubt about that. However, if 8/10 people are being toxic in a game can you really single out one person and say they deserved to be punished? I'm uncomfortable giving this player a permaban even after reading this. I would like to review what everyone in chat said and see how warranted this player's behavior may be. That being said, there are things this player said that should be punished regardless of what anyone else in game does.

This is a common misconception about the behavioral system. It's not singling anyone out, it's simply punishing based on a detected pattern of toxicity. He was punished first simply because this case was the one that pushed him over the line into punishment territory.

This type of behavior should be punished no matter what. Permabanned? I wouldn't personally. I think a message explaining what exactly is "toxic" about this behavior and information about reform is necessary. Either a chat-restriction period (10-20 games) or a 3-day ban from summoner's rift/treeline would suffice. I would also implement a probation period where all reports, even automated, are manually reviewed and evaluated. This would be to ensure that no other toxic players somehow abuse the automated system to pick on anyone who is going through the reform process. Depending on how many/type of offense, I may also instate a quiz of some sort to better explain what is toxicity and what is good player behavior. This quiz would follow a short video, statement, some method of presenting information that hopefully explains Riot's thought process and punishment process in general.

The punishment system is progression based and goes as followed:

10-game chat restriction 25-game chat restriction 2-week ban Permanent ban

If a case is punishable (regardless of how severe it is) then it gets slapped with the next punishment tier in line. If a person puts in and shows enough of an effort to reform (~3 months worth) a person can eventually drop down punishment tiers until the point where they're no longer at risk of being banned from the game. Also, abusing the reporting system causes the abusers report weight to go down, lessening the impact and validity of their reports until eventually their report weight hits 0 (i.e. their reports matter none).

As for information on what is toxic, while I agree that Riot could do a better job on this it's ultimately up to the player to actually look for and listen to the information out there that has already been provided.

All of this seems excessive, sure, but it seems much better than the current system if the goal is reform. If the goal is simply to remove toxic players then none of this conversation matters.

The goal is indeed reform first, removal second. Riot can only do so much though, so it's up to the community to help out others with the reformation process (well, the ones who are willing to listen anyways).

VladimirKruschev1 votes

It's only singling out in the regard that the only people that are reviewed are the people that somebody actually hits the report button for. If nobody reports a toxic player, the system has no idea they were toxic.

DrCyanide1 votes

... If no one hits the report button, it assumes everyone was fine with the behavior in the match. You choosing not to report someone is not the system singling you out.

VladimirKruschev2 votes

There was no denying that I was in the wrong which is why I put the whole thing there but at the same time to show how unforgiving and robotic this system is, I like the quiz idea, though Riot dug themselves into this hole. They had created the original Tribunal system which, in theory, was a great idea. Give the community incentive into reviewing and punishing reports to help take the load off of Riot. Problem was because there was rating and some reward maybe? that everybody would just auto punish everybody to get maximum ratings. Because that had failed so miserably and Riot needed something to fill it's void that they just slapped this new system together without any regard or foresight to how it may affect the future of their game.

ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

There was no denying that I was in the wrong which is why I put the whole thing there but at the same time to show how unforgiving and robotic this system is, I like the quiz idea, though Riot dug themselves into this hole. They had created the original Tribunal system which, in theory, was a great idea. Give the community incentive into reviewing and punishing reports to help take the load off of Riot. Problem was because there was rating and some reward maybe? that everybody would just auto punish everybody to get maximum ratings. Because that had failed so miserably and Riot needed something to fill it's void that they just slapped this new system together without any regard or foresight to how it may affect the future of their game.

The main problem with the old Tribunal system was that it was too slow and it took forever for anyone to actually get punished by it, let alone banned by it. Riot has said that they do plan on bringing it back in the future, but for now we'll just have to make due with the Instant Feedback System, which you can learn more about here.

61939590DEL11 votes

As I said before the matchmaking solo Queue is #### up. If you got reported by a 4 pre-made than that's your fault. I Believe i'm on the last strike depending on what reports were deem toxic. Riot only needs 3 reports that are consider toxic to put the hammer down on you.

DrCyanide1 votes

The blind hate for premades is real...

The number of reports doesn't do anything. 1 report, 4 reports, 9 reports, all of it just flags the game for review. They did this specifically so premades couldn't gang up on someone.

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