I while back I had lux that q'ed up as support. Not only was she constantly taking the car, she also didn't get the support item. (didn't get a sweeper long into the game either). I kind of feel this breaks the doability of the game, and therefore should be punished.
Imperial Pandaa5 votesIt is not required for the support to take the support item. It makes more sense for them to at the beginning so income isn't split in lane.
excelsheet14 votes[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nn2obQIm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-11T17:10:27.478+0000)
It is not required for the support to take the support item. It makes more sense for them to at the beginning so income isn't split in lane.
Lame
rujitra2 votesIf you want to play in a solo lane you should do that.
excelsheet14 votesIf you want to play in a solo lane you should do that.
What?
rujitra1 votesIn the duo bot lane, the support and the ADC share the lane. Nobody owns CS. Nobody is forced to “funnel” CS, kills, or experience to the ADC.
Since you disagree and you want a lane where there isn’t another person you have to share with, you should play a solo lane.
excelsheet14 votesIn the duo bot lane, the support and the ADC share the lane. Nobody owns CS. Nobody is forced to “funnel” CS, kills, or experience to the ADC.
Since you disagree and you want a lane where there isn’t another person you have to share with, you should play a solo lane.
I think that is a rediculous notion. The game and it's items are literally designed so that the bot lane carry can have gold from cs and the support gets gold from support items. Playing otherwise severely and intentionally harms the gameplay experience of others.
rujitra2 votesPeople aren’t mandated to build items simply because they are available. Riot does not enforce builds or champions.
You having your gameplay experience harmed because others don’t do exactly what you want is not anyone else’s problem.
Tele II2 votesI think that is a rediculous notion. The game and it's items are literally designed so that the bot lane carry can have gold from cs and the support gets gold from support items. Playing otherwise severely and intentionally harms the gameplay experience of others.
Yeah but Riot doesnt enforce a meta game. People building those items as support is just the meta. It is not required, sorry. Theyre just telling you the truth. Ive been hoping for a long time that Riot starts enforcing a meta game.
excelsheet12 votes[deleted]
Tele II1 votesWho aren't addressing my point. You are just being a troll. If this person's support "strategy" was to go to a lane and purposely interfere with a teammate's strategy, that purpose is targeting ME. There are two other lanes and jungle camps that person could have gone for. But they deliberately targeted my lane THAT I WAS FUCKING ASSIGNED YOU MORON, to interfere with. This is nothing to do with meta and purely trolling a teammate. Sabatoging a teammate is clearly against the rules. That doesn't have to do with funneling (which you are misusing the term).
I think you replied to the wrong post. I never used the term funneling.
Keep in mind, your title asks if them not taking support item is punishable. I was just saying them telling you its not punishable is just the truth. Idk what all this other mumbo jumbo youre on is about, so yeah, you definitely replied to the wrong person lol.
I will say though, if someone is targeting you for griefing, that is definitely against the rules. But not building a "support item" as support, is not, unfortunately. I'm not sure of the context of whoever youre arguing with though.
BeatzBoyFTW4 votes....you're really losing the definition of the word "support", cz I'm pretty sure that taking gold away from your carry isn't one.
rujitra2 votesPlease feel free to tell me where Riot has ever said/enforced a "funnel" meta. In fact, Riot is adamantly against any meta in which any funnel strategy is taking place - as is most of the community. League of Legends is and always has been a team game - and funnel strategies are contrary to this.
Supports can CS when the bot lane isn't there, and they can also CS when the bot lane is there. The solution is to discuss with the support - nobody is going to want to cooperate with someone who's bitching and demanding things from them. There are many supports on which CSing is a virtual requirement to be able to get the gold necessary for items to be useful. For these supports, not taking a support item and instead utilizing control wards (which the CS helps with too, by the way) is a viable strategy.
excelsheet12 votesPlease feel free to tell me where Riot has ever said/enforced a "funnel" meta. In fact, Riot is adamantly against any meta in which any funnel strategy is taking place - as is most of the community. League of Legends is and always has been a team game - and funnel strategies are contrary to this.
Supports can CS when the bot lane isn't there, and they can also CS when the bot lane is there. The solution is to discuss with the support - nobody is going to want to cooperate with someone who's bitching and demanding things from them. There are many supports on which CSing is a virtual requirement to be able to get the gold necessary for items to be useful. For these supports, not taking a support item and instead utilizing control wards (which the CS helps with too, by the way) is a viable strategy.
I think you are having a different conversation than me. Three other people's game play experienced was harmed due to one person not playing the role they were assigned. This isn't funneling. Funneling is when you have a whole team working together to get one person fun. This is someone intentionally interfering with what you are trying to accomplish. Imagine if someone followed you around the jungle just to last his jungle camps, then go around saying "its anyone's camp". You're confusing funneling with a lane assignment trying to do their assigned role. I highly doubt that role assignments are condsidered light suggestions by riot or the community. That person was free to go to any lane and CS. Targeting the CS in the lane that I AM FUCKING ASSIGNED TO is intentionally trolling/inting in a game.
rujitra2 votesThey’re interfering with your desire for a funnel. You don’t want them to touch CS because then you can’t get it. That means you want them to funnel CS to you. That’s not their job. You do not own CS, period. Bot lane is a duo lane and they have the right to the CS in that lane as much as you do.
Your misunderstanding about how the game works is not Riots problem. Nor are other players going to be punished because you have expectations for them that are contrary to the actual rules and roles of League.
ModPrandine3 votesIs it a requirement? No. Is it a punishable offense? No. You can always ask them to take one but they don't want to then that's their choice and you shouldn't pester them about it. Besides if you notice your team needs something but no one is building it then you could always try adapting your build to suit the teams needs in that moment or two. If the player in question does start misbehaving though then you can always just report them after the game, just like they can report you if you yourself start throwing a fit for not getting your way.
excelsheet13 votesIs it a requirement? No. Is it a punishable offense? No. You can always ask them to take one but they don't want to then that's their choice and you shouldn't pester them about it. Besides if you notice your team needs something but no one is building it then you could always try adapting your build to suit the teams needs in that moment or two. If the player in question does start misbehaving though then you can always just report them after the game, just like they can report you if you yourself start throwing a fit for not getting your way.
The game isn't designed that way. I don't check every game that the support has the support item. If the player wanted the cs and carry role Im more then flexible to accommodate. But, to intentionally sabatoge the role I am expected to play should be punishable. The other three players are also depending on bot lane carry to have gold for items. It's extremely disruptive to the game play experience for the support to steal cs and not get support items.
ModPrandine3 votesThe game isn't designed that way. I don't check every game that the support has the support item. If the player wanted the cs and carry role Im more then flexible to accommodate. But, to intentionally sabatoge the role I am expected to play should be punishable. The other three players are also depending on bot lane carry to have gold for items. It's extremely disruptive to the game play experience for the support to steal cs and not get support items.
While I get it can be frustrating to have someone intentionally try to take CS from you, CS doesn't belong to any one person exclusively. Also, what if someone is playing a more burst or damage oriented support like Brand or Malzahar? For those characters they may feel like a more traditional support item not as fitting as other more damage oriented items. That's the problem with your proposal: it just sounds like you just want people who don't play how you want them to to be punished, which isn't very fair or mature.
excelsheet12 votesWhile I get it can be frustrating to have someone intentionally try to take CS from you, CS doesn't belong to any one person exclusively. Also, what if someone is playing a more burst or damage oriented support like Brand or Malzahar? For those characters they may feel like a more traditional support item not as fitting as other more damage oriented items. That's the problem with your proposal: it just sounds like you just want people who don't play how you want them to to be punished, which isn't very fair or mature.
I don't sound like that at all. I don't care , for instance, we are at a point in the game whens it's advantageous to shove the lane out and the support takes cs along the way. It's when I am very deliberately trying to cs and the support is very deliberately , interfering with how I am trying to play MY role.
ChaosReyn1 votesYou wrote this on a phone. xD
I know you meant to say cs, but I know that grand theft auto is definitely a criminal offense. :P
So, the supports are not required to take the support item, and what rujitra means is that if you flame your support for not having one, they're gonna make your lane even more hell than they already are if they decide to make a statement about it.
However, I'd say go ahead - ask them to get a support item, and when they start flaming you in chat and inting your lane for having the mentality of Nubrac, then your report is valid af. If they're essentially throwing anyway, then politely ask them to perform a corrective action, and when they pop off, mute them and report.
excelsheet11 votesYou wrote this on a phone. xD
I know you meant to say cs, but I know that grand theft auto is definitely a criminal offense. :P
So, the supports are not required to take the support item, and what rujitra means is that if you flame your support for not having one, they're gonna make your lane even more hell than they already are if they decide to make a statement about it.
However, I'd say go ahead - ask them to get a support item, and when they start flaming you in chat and inting your lane for having the mentality of Nubrac, then your report is valid af. If they're essentially throwing anyway, then politely ask them to perform a corrective action, and when they pop off, mute them and report.
This wasn't about pushing the wave out. This was about intentionally making it harder for me to cs when they were assigned the support role. It's not about oops I used an ability on a wave. It's the activity trying to sabatoge the person your laning with. I'm pretty that persons is going to be banned eventually as they are no trolling the support role. I think it should be an easy 14 day ban. If they wanted to be the carry role, I would have been more than accomdating
rujitra1 votesThe support is not prohibited from CSing. Period. You do not get to force your opinion as to what they should do on them, and they won’t be banned just because you don’t like it.
C0l0urless1 votesI don't know how not having a support item as support isn't a punishable offense. I don't think I ever saw anyone who intended to win play without it.
WoonStruck1 votesYou aren't required to get a support item, but I suggest you get one first back at the latest. Its still 1k free gold, and some stats to sit on until you feel like selling it.
Starting 
can be better than the support item for a lot of tanks. But you really want that income at some point. You lose less than 300g, while having a much stronger early game.
300 gold might sound like a lot, but you have to remember that its capped, which means you might have 300 less gold than you would have at your first back, but you can still gain another 300g that the enemy support cannot after theirs is finished, assuming quest progress is evenly paced.
Instead of finishing your quest at 20 minutes, you might finish it at 21 or 22 mins. You effectively lose no gold because there is an income cap.
I feel like it could be worth simply due to the damage and sustain that the item adds. It gives you WAY more agency in the super early game on pretty much any support.
If that gives your ADC a lead, its WELL worth it, as their lead will be controlling the lane more than you would finishing your support item 2 mins earlier.
OneMustFall1 votesYou seem to have this notion that because the meta has traditionally has an ADC bot lane with a Support who gets a gold income item and funnels farm to the ADC that the game must be played this way. There are plenty of other strategies who run a duo carry bot lane and share CS. You think because you queued ADC that you are now entitled to the CS bot lane, which is false thinking on your part. Being that many people believe support income items aren't worth buying anymore, you will see a lot more people not purchasing the item and just sharing farm bot lane. You don't own the lane, you are sharing that lane with another person. If you don't like that, you should go to a solo lane where you likely won't have to share farm at all.
tl;dr: A support is not your bitch. Stop acting like you own bot lane.
excelsheet12 votesYou seem to have this notion that because the meta has traditionally has an ADC bot lane with a Support who gets a gold income item and funnels farm to the ADC that the game must be played this way. There are plenty of other strategies who run a duo carry bot lane and share CS. You think because you queued ADC that you are now entitled to the CS bot lane, which is false thinking on your part. Being that many people believe support income items aren't worth buying anymore, you will see a lot more people not purchasing the item and just sharing farm bot lane. You don't own the lane, you are sharing that lane with another person. If you don't like that, you should go to a solo lane where you likely won't have to share farm at all.
tl;dr: A support is not your bitch. Stop acting like you own bot lane.
Again. You didn't read or care to respond to my arguement. At no power point in time did I say "I own cs". Counter arguing points that are being made. I think it's extremely toxic for a support to actively sit and last hit cs the bot carry is obviously going for. That's not team work that's not going off meta, that's not strategy. That's intentionally sabatoging another player. There are plenty of gold generation options for supports that don't involve purposely working against your team. Other players on the team are depending the person assigned bottom to have a good cs score. So working against that is not only toxic and position stealing , it's hurting 3 other people on the team. It's about role assignment and trying to win. Activitely working against winning has no place in soloq. Riot doesn't think it should not does the community. That support player doesn't own the team either. You people keep saying that I don't own the land, but the support does? That's bullshit.