Unfair Permanent Supsension

Tokeish··4 votes·2,167 views
Tokeish, your League of Legends account has been suspended

Now, before you blindly look at this post and say, "You were toxic, you deserved it." you have to realize that this system does not take premade teams, context, or player reform into account. My only hopes at getting this suspension lifted to get back to playing is the forums, since Riot Lyte hasn't replied in 15+ hours since he has far better things to do then help out some random who got banned for being toxic. (Not sarcasm)

I used to not be very toxic at all, chat restrictions helped me avoid that. If I had a bag game and said a few things, I'd get a chat restriction and cool off and stop typing all together unless it was a "GG" or "GLHF"

Since my first and only 14 day ban, I did my best to improve my behavior. If people were picking on someone, I'd defend the victim and do what I could to stop the flame. If people were flaming at me, I'd just ignore them. If I felt the need to say something rude to someone, I'd just say it to myself instead of typing it to them. I just did what ever I could to avoid being toxic to players and being negative, I even started to warn and report people for being toxic!

But this one game got to me, I was having a bad night due to personal issues, I didn't ignore their Wukong who started provoking me and spamming the chat with simple comments like "No comment" or "L2ward" (I'm aware provocation is not an excuse), and I kept typing. A person in my premade team who I've played multiple games with started saying simple things that just annoyed me more, but with my sense of humor I made some slightly offensive jokes, but I'm sure they knew I was joking since the only report I received was from the other team. I was also in a TS with some of our teammates as mentioned "we're in ts." I also mentioned countless times how it was just a game and I really didn't care, but I still kept typing.

It was a very long game with a lot of typing from everyone, the enemy had the lead for the whole first 40 minutes but we turned it around for the last 10 and won it, I'm not sure if the enemies only reported me because they lost.

I just want this punishment to be lifted and receive a more fair punishment, even another 2 week and a last chance would be better than this. The two people I always play with (Fyfe and iRayer) can vouch for me that my behavior has drastically improved.

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  • **It's funny how toxic the forums are. "You got banned, so you deserve it!" How about you read the post in its entirety and listen to morality and reason instead of believing that anyone who gets banned deserves it. Everyone defended Dunkey on his ban because he's "famous," even though he might be outright the most toxic player who has played the game, aside from XJ9. But when a semi-innocent League of Legends player who has spent hundreds of dollars and hours of time gets banned, he's instantly the equivalent of Satan and should be condemned, BUT "he should just make a new account" and bypass his ban. Thank you for nothing, community. I appreciate that single person who actually posted something useful and helpful, though. **

57 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

you have to realize that this system does not take premade teams, context, or player reform into account

Those factors are pretty irrelevant. Premade reports have no more weight than 1, the context doesn't matter because you alone are responsible for your actions so you are judged in a "vacuum" separate from what anyone else did, and for player reform if you were already up to a 14 day ban you are expected to change dramatically, not just little by little. When you're on the edge of a permaban little by little is not enough. Certain things like hate speech and death threats have near zero tolerance and will receive escalated punishments.

If people were picking on someone, I'd defend the victim and do what I could to stop the flame

It's commendable that you want to prevent others from being harassed, but more often than not you actually aren't helping. The flamer in question is more likely to redouble his efforts and cause more problems, and you too are probably becoming a problem to the others. Just as you should do yourself, tell the other "victim" to mute the player. Do not tell them to report, because using reports as a threat is harassment and is a punishable offense regardless of what the person was doing. Only 1 report is required to flag that match against the player, so mass reporting has no effect anyway. Let them decide whether to report on their own.

but with my sense of humor I made some slightly offensive jokes, but I'm sure they knew I was joking since the only report I received was from the other team

Don't make assumptions like this. Just because a teammate didn't speak up against you doesn't mean they approved of your behavior. You have no idea whether your team reported you or not; you are not notified of who reported you. If you want to make offensive jokes with a friend, I suggest keeping it to your TeamSpeak channel.

It was a very long game with a lot of typing from everyone, the enemy had the lead for the whole first 40 minutes but we turned it around for the last 10 and won it, I'm not sure if the enemies only reported me because they lost.

False reports won't hurt you. If the enemy spite reports you because you won, you will never get punished for that. Verbal Abuse reports are always checked by the system for accuracy before they count against you.

Tokeish2 votes

Thanks for your comment, sadly it was not the kind of comment I was looking for since this criticism will not be able to be used in the future.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

Exactly what kind of comment were you looking for? Sympathy and a way to get your account back? This would be useful because you are free to create a new account. If you choose not to, that's entirely up to you.

Tokeish1 votes

Why would I make a new account to bypass a ban? They clearly said "I am not welcome in the League of Legends community.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

They don't ban players (usually), they ban accounts. You are free to start again with a reformed attitude.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

By the way, let's get your reform card.

Tokeish2 votes

Reform card is clearly linked.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Oh sorry, sometimes I completely ignore links.

Void Nargacuga2 votes

Its oozing with toxicity sadly.

K1BiH1 votes

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Jorencice3 votes

Ummmm... out of context shit gets people in trouble all the time in the "Real World"...

So clearly YOU need to go outside.

alasarcher8 votes

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Now, before you blindly look at this post and say, "You were toxic, you deserved it." you have to realize that this system does not take premade teams, context, or player reform into account.

I am sorry to tell you this, but what others do is irrelevant. This is about you and your behavior. If others were harasshing you, what you should do is report them. Not respond. Only your actions are relevant and there is no excuse.

Tokeish2 votes

It is clear you did not read the post, your comment is not appreciated.

alasarcher4 votes

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It is clear you did not read the post, your comment is not appreciated.

Well appreciate this comment: You are permanently banned, you wont get unbanned and this discussion is pointless.

Hippolyta2 votes

Dude u make me laugh so hard i spit my coffe on my g15 from laughing I try avoid your comments when i drink my coffes next time:) i try now with hair pistol to make the keabord works again:P

Hippolyta6 votes

Your punish deserved 100% you way to much toxic On your next acount do something for that.. Good job riot! And i explaind why .... Calling others bad ,fuck tards ,Dicks,tard team,Dump at the end of game disrespecting and say gg easy Only a single word is enough to punish you but you use a lot of bad words

Tokeish1 votes

Useless comment, good job Hippolyta! You clearly did not read the post either.

Hippolyta4 votes

I only read the chat log of your punishment not your fake salty lie tears of a toxic crocodile who want unban for being toxic!

Tokeish1 votes

How toxic of you, hypocrite.

Hippolyta1 votes

Read above your crimes against the summoner code and the last you can do is ask forgivness for being toxic.. As for calling me toxic for say the truth in your face is something really bad ...your behavior shows you no like to change so who is the reason u make post?

fyfe4 votes

I've played with Tokeish, he was actually kind and helped out the new guy on our premade. 1 bad game shouldn't be a perm ban for multiple good weeks behavior imo.

SexualizeOatmeal1 votes

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I've played with Tokeish, he was actually kind and helped out the new guy on our premade. 1 bad game shouldn't be a perm ban for multiple good weeks behavior imo.

Sorry for what happened to your friend, from what I can see, in that game he was toxic, but seeing as how we have 2 people who play with him, I think a unban should be issued, of course, not a full blown unban, but, maybe a probation type thing, where for maybe like a month, if he gets more than 2 reports, he gets permabanned again. I think Rito should do something like that, would make it cool to see some players who got banned for little or no reason come back.

Dominick Destine4 votes

1- Intentional feeding is against the rules. 2- Extreme toxicity is against the rules (obviously). 3- You have clearly learned nothing.

Justified ban.

yung tj3 votes

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Void Nargacuga6 votes

Problem are these:

  1. He didn't change their ways after receiving a 10 day chat ban, the 25 day chat ban, or the 14 day ban and didn't completely change their ways so they didn't get the permanent ban.
  2. Once an account has been permanently banned it CANNOT be lifted.
  • (Thanks to Jikker for informing me, I'm now editing this in) Unless it was a mistake by RIOT which it can be lifted.
  1. His recent chat logs that got him banned don't even look liked he learned his lesson in the first place due to the harassment and negative attitude presented in the logs.
Tokeish2 votes

They didn't give me a 10 day chat ban, or a 25 day chat ban. Also it looks like you didn't read my post, thank you for your comment though.

MasterSomething3 votes

I used to not be very toxic at all, chat restrictions helped me avoid that. If I had a bag game and said a few things, I'd get a chat restriction and cool off and stop typing all together unless it was a "GG" or "GLHF"

Why u always lyin'

Tokeish2 votes

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It was moratorium week and I had time off before exams. I played around 50+ games post being unbanned and this is the only time I've been reported for something legit. Thank you for your comment, I did not receive any chat restrictions after months, if not a year of inactivity.

Hmmmmm, also your "meme" is not appreciated.

MasterSomething2 votes

Games don't count against the ban. It's time. You got the ban within 3 months of the 25 chat game restriction. You would have to have had waited 3 more months.

Tokeish1 votes

I will say it one more time for you, I did not receive a chat restriction since I returned to the game.

Void Nargacuga4 votes

Its an escalating system.

  1. 10 day chat restriction.
  2. 25 day chat restriction.
  3. 14 day ban.
  4. Permanent ban.

If you had gone 3 months without any sign on toxicity then you would have gone down a punishment tier. And another for each 3 month time period if I am not mistaken.

Tokeish1 votes

One more time, I did not receive any chat restrictions after months, if not a year of inactivity. It was well over 6 months since my last chat restriction.

MasterSomething2 votes

Either you were toxic enough for the 14 day ban, or you are lying. You have no proof other than your word right now.

Tokeish1 votes

Well, that's the problem isn't it? The best I could get is my two friends I play nearly every game with to vouch for me, which they truthfully did. But they got downvoted into oblivion, just like every comment I make.

ModJikker5 votes

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Problem are these:

  1. He didn't change their ways after receiving a 10 day chat ban, the 25 day chat ban, or the 14 day ban and didn't completely change their ways so they didn't get the permanent ban. ** 2. Once an account has been permanently banned it CANNOT be lifted.**
  2. His recent chat logs that got him banned don't even look liked he learned his lesson in the first place due to the harassment and negative attitude presented in the logs.

False

There was a guy on the old forums that got permabanned falsely (he was harassing himself in game, Riot thought it was someone else) and Lyte personally retracted the permaban. Another person is having their perma lifted after a month due to questionable circumstances surrounding their ban and a formal apology they gave to Riot through a ticket. Finally, if you are perma'd for something like payments not going through, fixing the billing problem will lift the permaban.

So no matter what, a permabanned account may have its ban lifted given the proper circumstances.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Okay you got me there, thank you for the information. That I will take the smack for. ANYWAYS by the look of this players chat logs it was well deserved though.

ModJikker1 votes

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Okay you got me there, thank you for the information. That I will take the smack for. ANYWAYS by the look of this players chat logs it was well deserved though.

I agree to that (sorry man, but friends or no the chat logs are pretty bad), but if there are circumstances that he wishes to plea at this point he can contact Riot and discuss it with them and if it was indeed just a report for teasing with friends, Riot may retract. Naught much more we can do here though.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Yep only way to get appealed now is by sending in a support ticket. Best of luck to you Tokeish if you do. Sadly I don't think that will happen though. =/

Tokeish1 votes

Thank you for an actual useful and well appreciated comment. Good day to you.

Zero0003 votes

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Well, that's the problem isn't it? The best I could get is my two friends I play nearly every game with to vouch for me, which they truthfully did. But they got downvoted into oblivion, just like every comment I make.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/nGu2ozI5-unfair-permanent-supsension?comment=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=TOKEISH I see 5 games with your friends "FYFE", "YUNG TJ" or "IRAYER" in your last 20 games. So there are more than enough games where you could flame and they wouldn't know it.

But i see 14 games in which you where level 4 or lower. In my opinion that would be enough for a permanent supsension

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

Woah I didn't even look at those. This guy is an intentional feeder/afk'er across many games... Looks like a 5-man premade trying to farm the IP boost.

Tokeish1 votes

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858

IP farming isn't against the rules, Riot Lyte even confirmed it. I understand how it can look bad, but thousands do it as well. We didn't force it upon anyone.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

That is only if the opponents are also ok with it. There are players in your games other than your own team. This is completely irrelevant though because you weren't banned for that.

Tokeish1 votes

Well, clearly I didn't get banned for feeding intentionally.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

What are they going to do, send you another email and say you've been double permabanned?

Tokeish1 votes

IP farming, not against the rules.

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858

Confirmed by Riot Lyte. Nice try though.

Zero0001 votes

We'll be taking a look at all intentional feeding situations and handing out permanent bans if they are ruining gameplay experiences for players who do NOT want to be involved in this.

So did all of your enemies agree? If not you "are ruining gameplay experiences for players who do NOT want to be involved in this".

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

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IP farming, not against the rules.

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858

Confirmed by Riot Lyte. Nice try though.

I would assume that if they report you... they "DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS" and thus RIOT can issue permanent bans.

Weathered2 votes

There is a certain system where it takes time for your reputation to lower. I don't know exact numbers, but I think a certain amount of days/months and then it starts to deteriorate. If your punishment reputation wasn't deteriorated at all, ie it had only been a week or two, then by the system you would deserve the punishment :/

I'm not saying in your specific case that you deserve the ban, but the system is actually pretty fair for the amount of players it analyzes, so eventually chat restrictions increase to temp bans, to perm bans. I'm sorry dude but I think your out of luck. The only ban I've personally witness reverted was a guy who deleted his chat in the files and got flagged for 3rd party, which a riot eventually looked into and cleared it up.

Tokeish1 votes

It was moratorium week and I had time off before exams. I played around 50+ games post being unbanned and this is the only time I've been reported for something legit. Thank you for your comment, I did not receive any chat restrictions after months, if not a year of inactivity.

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