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Questions on Permanent Account Suspension/Questions About Tribunal Punishment Processes in LoL

LikeABossaru28··1 votes·1,919 views

This is the exact message that I sent to Riot Support's email yesterday (2/2/16) and I also tweeted them as you can see above:

Hello, LikeABossaru28 here,

I was recently permanently banned from League of Legends for toxicity. I understand the ban and everything. But I have a few questions about the Tribunal and who gets banned/suspended and how long. I was given multiple chat suspension over the past couple years of League of Legends game play. I was fairly toxic, I'll admit, but I never wished death, cancer, or aids or something of the sort upon someone else or their family. I was told to kill myself, cancer was wished upon my family and myself. When I report those people, nothing happens to them. Except when I'm aggravated and are flaming teammates (which isn't good either) I am the one that is banned for two weeks and then later banned permanently.

The questions I have about the whole Tribunal banning process. Why is it that people who troll the game, in other words forcefully make the game terrible for all the other players, people who AFK and ruin the game that way, or people who intentionally feed making it near impossible to come back from a behind game don't get any sorts of bans or any sorts of punishment? Only the people who are upset in the game are the ones that get punished for their "bad behavior".

I would like some answers about the Tribunal and also for my account suspension to be lifted and reinstated as a 6 month ban. Because I understand what I did is unacceptable for the League community. But I feel like I was treated unfairly with this permanent ban.

Thank you for your time, LikeABossaru28 (Nick B.)

What is wrong with their system of banning people? The players that are AFK, trolls that ruin the game for others, and intentional feeders that make it impossible to come back from the game get let off scott-free while people who are aggravated and occasionally flame them in chat for playing like such are either banned from chat, banned for 2 weeks, or (in my case) banned forever. It seriously makes no sense to me. Maybe one of you Riot Employees could answer this question? It's complete BS.

20 Comments

The Gank is Nigh3 votes

Permabans should've never been a thing.

LikeABossaru282 votes

I wish it was just increasing suspensions by like 1 or 2 weeks every time

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

They already tried that.

And it didn't do anything to clean up toxicity.

alasarcher1 votes

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I wish it was just increasing suspensions by like 1 or 2 weeks every time

And whats the point of that? IF a person doesnt reform after 3 punishments, he is out for good.

The Unbangable2 votes

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And whats the point of that? IF a person doesnt reform after 3 punishments, he is out for good.

The perma ban should be reserved FOR REALLY REALLY REALLY toxic players. And no, I am not talking about the players that got a 3 strike. I am talking about the players that use hate speech, racial slurs, wish death upon others etc. THOSE are the ones that should be perma banned. Not the guy who just called someone else a noob... constantly >_> .. That guy deserves a ban, just not a permanent one. I think it's unfair to treat both offenses equally.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. It's like treating the guy who stole a pack of gum with the same severity as the guy who murdered a person.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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I've said it once and I'll say it again. It's like treating the guy who stole a pack of gum with the same severity as the guy who murdered a person.

You seem to believe that severity of the individual action should be the only determining factor to a punishment. Do you believe that recidivism in negativity is incapable of causing the same or more problems overall as a single more strictly negative action?

The Unbangable2 votes

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You seem to believe that severity of the individual action should be the only determining factor to a punishment. Do you believe that recidivism in negativity is incapable of causing the same or more problems overall as a single more strictly negative action?

No. What I am saying is, if you were misbehaving in a game(s), say you called your teammate a noob, or you gave them a hard time at the beginning of the game. You should receive a chat restriction, then eventually a suspension of your account, but not for 2 weeks. 2 weeks seems too much for calling someone a noob.

I think the most severe punishments should be reserved for the most severe cases. Honestly banning someone for 2 weeks, even it was repeitive for saying something along the lines "you suck for diving that tower, stupid move" is over the top. Especially when you're giving the same punishment to the person who said something along the lines "i hope you and your family get cancer and burn."

That's not a justice system. That is treat all cases as the same regardless of severity system. Back to my examples, if a person stole a pack of gum, multiple times, after being told not to.. that does not justify a 10 year behind the bar sentence. The reason why the punishments vary based on severity in real life, because if it weren't, it'd be a disaster. I think we should apply that to league.

I think the punishments for mild behaviour should go like this

first offense: warning second offense: 3 game chat restriction third offense: 5 game chat restriction fourth offense: 20 game chat restriction fifth offense: 1 day ban sixth offense: 3 day ban seventh offense: 1 week ban eight offense: 2 week ban ninth offense: perma ban.

For extremely toxic behaviour, the current system is perfectly fine. But that's just me. And that's only because I personally think that severity plays a bigger role than repetitiveness.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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That's not a justice system. That is treat all cases as the same regardless of severity system. Back to my examples, if a person stole a pack of gum, multiple times, after being told not to.. that does not justify a 10 year behind the bar sentence. The reason why the punishments vary based on severity in real life, because if it weren't, it'd be a disaster. I think we should apply that to league.

This isn't really a justice system, either. That is to say, the purpose of the system is not to enact justice on behalf of an offended party, but rather to prevent future offenses (at least, that's how I see it).

Even so, there are similar statutes in place all over the US (commonly termed three-strikes laws).

I think the punishments for mild behaviour should go like this

first offense: warning second offense: 3 game chat restriction third offense: 5 game chat restriction fourth offense: 20 game chat restriction fifth offense: 1 day ban sixth offense: 3 day ban seventh offense: 1 week ban eight offense: 2 week ban ninth offense: perma ban.

The only distinction, then, is the number of punishments before the final sanction. Fair enough.

Although, if you're counting "offense" as in individual action, I think it's worth mentioning that this model would probably result in faster perma-bans for such players - the current system takes somewhat longer to build cases than a single game, particularly when the behavior in any particular game is relatively mild.

For extremely toxic behaviour, the current system is perfectly fine. But that's just me. And that's only because I personally think that severity plays a bigger role than repetitiveness.

Nothing wrong with that, but I don't think Riot can afford to agree with it. The more people who are affected by a particular player's toxicity, the more opportunities that player has to drive others away from the game. And since Riot's entire business model only works at this scale because they have a fantastically large player-base, that represents a potentially massive hit to their bottom line.

LikeABossaru281 votes

If only Riot thought like you.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

And why? So that you can have no recompense for your actions?

You break the rules, you take the punishment. Don't want it? Don't break the rules. Simple as that.

The Gank is Nigh1 votes

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And why? So that you can have no recompense for your actions?

You break the rules, you take the punishment. Don't want it? Don't break the rules. Simple as that.

Permabans are for people that hack/glitch/scam,not for toxic people.Toxic people should either get permanent CHAT BANS or seasonal bans.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Read Jubbinaut's comments above

LikeABossaru281 votes

That is perfect! I would be down for permanent chat ban, or a season ban. I would prefer that so much more. But Riot doesn't care about the players and just wants to make the most money. lol

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

They are banned.

You getting mad at them for whatever reason is not an excuse

LikeABossaru282 votes

It isn't an excuse. And no they aren't. When I livestream the games and rewatch them, those players are blatantly feeding their laner and throwing the game intentionally and I report them and nothing happens. Im not lying here.

Kei1433 votes

I report them and nothing happens. Im not lying here.

Who says nothing happens?

Cos you don't see a "XXX Player has been punished" message?

  • You'll only see that message if your report contributed to the punishment of the player. The rest of the time, your reports will contribute to the player's investigation.

Cos you still see their account being active in some website?

  • Reports take a while to be investigated. Unless it is really toxic (or the trolling behaviour was really obvious), it'll take a few more games / reports for it count

Reports do count. Especially when you do them right.

LikeABossaru282 votes

That's just something I can't believe. But why does it feel like it prioritizes me?

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

It doesn't. You just have first hand evidence that it does affect you, so you might feel like it prioritizes you

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

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That's just something I can't believe. But why does it feel like it prioritizes me?

Becuase you see 100% of the things that happen to you and rarely see when things happen to other people.

Fizpocalypse2 votes

Being Bad=/= trolling/intentionally feeding

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